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lokigod
07-05-2007, 04:41
hey guys I want to do all infantry empire army, so im asking is 2 big blocks of great swords possibly competive? here my ideals of a list.

arch lector kitted out
2 warrior priest
bsb captain
2 x 20 units of spear men with free company detachments
2 units of 10 hg
2 cannons
2 units of 20 gswords with swords man detachments
hellblaster
20 flagelents

Will this work if I use a denied flank aproach or is fast cav and cav a must in an empire army?

gorenut
07-05-2007, 04:58
I can see it working, but might as well go all out with swords and use swordsmen instead of spearmen. I think that'd give you atleast a stronger line of defense. Probably use the warmachines to actually protect flanks.

lokigod
07-05-2007, 05:28
6 points for swords man= sword and shield
6 points for spear man= spear or hand weap shield
This is what I get from first glance... that your only losing 1 in ws.

Hywel
07-05-2007, 15:11
That WS4 is an important boost however. You're also forgetting the Initiative increase, but that isn't nearly as significant.
WS4 means that significantly less units can hit you on 3s. Elves, dwarves, marauders, bretonnian and imperial cavalry... it's a significant defensive boost if you're planning on using the save bonus for hand weapon and shield.

Of course, spearmen give you the flexibility but you have to question how often you will be using the spears. In favour of the spears I will say they're a better home for your warrior priests. Swordsmen are a bit of a waste of his hatred inducing ability.

All infantry empire certainly can work, especially if you take care of how you use your detachments and use your shooting to counter the opponent's faster units.

I would however strongly recommend increasing the numbers of your state infantry to 30. The greatswords can get away with just being 20 strong, but you may want to consider making them 25 strong as they will be attracting a lot of missiles and magical firepower in the absence of other 'hammer' units.

Otherwise, a solid concept for an infantry list.

gorenut
07-05-2007, 20:27
6 points for swords man= sword and shield
6 points for spear man= spear or hand weap shield
This is what I get from first glance... that your only losing 1 in ws.

Well.. the added advantage is just a slight bonus. My original suggestion was mostly from an aesthetic and conceptual standpoint. I think it'd be cool to have the whole army have a more "elite" feel (atleast for Empire standards) and decked out with a lot of swords.

Jackster
08-05-2007, 03:29
Spear is one handed weapon last time i check.
I think its possible, Greatswords are barely as expensive as some of the other race's Regular core.
Anyway, I use this one with some degrees of success. But it is rather Cavalry heavy.

Empire 2000

Lord-
General- Great weapon, pistol, Armor of Meteoric Iron, Shroud of Magnus, Icon of Magnus-195

Heroes-
Battle Wizard- Lv. 2, Rod of Power-120
Battle Wizard- Lv. 2, wizard staff, Power Stone-130

Core-
5 Reiksguards, Full Command -155
5 Reiksguards, Full Command -155
5 Reiksguards, Full Command -155

Special-
20 Great swords full command-230
-10 Swordsmen -60
-10 Archers- 80
20 Great swords full command-230
-10 Swordsmen -60
-10 Archers- 80
6 Pistoliers, Outrider with R. Pistol, musician – 132
Great Cannon -100

Rare-
Hellstorm Rocket Battery -115

1997

lokigod
08-05-2007, 05:27
well came up with a list so here it is 2250

LORD'S & HERO'S - 648

arch lector total - 229 (goes with great swords 1 to give hatred)
warhorse/ barded/ shield
sword of sigismund (not sure on this)
dawn armour so i can get +1 save reroll armour

warrior priest total - 143 (one of the spearmen units)
heavy/ g weap
seal of destruction

warrior priest total - 143 (goes with great swords 2 to give magic resist 1, and hatred)
heavy/ extra weap
sigil of sigmar
doom fire ring

captain bsb total - 133 (goes with great swords 1 to give magic resist 2)
full
stand of arcane warding

CORE - 543

20 spearmen with shield total - 126
mus/ standard
detachemnt (points added to total)
8 swordsmen

20 spearmen with shield total - 132
mus/ standard
detachemnt (points added to total)
9 swordsmen

Handgunners x 10 total - 95
marksman/ H. long rifle

Handgunners x 10 total - 95
marksman/ H. long rifle

Handgunners x 10 total - 95
marksman/ H. long rifle


SPECIAL - 744

GreatSwords (1) x 20 total - 272
mus/ standard
detachment (points added to total)
9 swordsman

GreatSwords (2) x 20 total - 272
mus/ standard
detachment (points added to total)
9 swordsman

2 x great cannon total - 200

RARE - 312

Hellblaster total - 110 (unsure on this)

Iron guts x 4 total - 202 (like the models so im going to use)
mus

TOTAL POINTS - 2247
PD- 2
DD- 6
This gives me 4 big infantry blocks with detachments
3 shooting blocks
3 warmachines
and one hammer / flank protector might find a way to drop 1 unit of handguners and spear unit for some nights for another hammer.