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Ninners
09-05-2007, 18:53
Well I was wondering, do people like me have to keep their warhammer hobbies secret from people at school? Everyone at my school (except me and the club) think warhammer is, well, gay.

If anyone found out i played i would be torn to shreds!

Are some people lucky enough to be supported by their school or other people where the majority think warhammer is cool or normal?

jfrazell
09-05-2007, 18:57
My boy likes them and pounded the neighborhood with an A cannon list. My wife tolerates them as it keeps me out of trouble. My now 8 year old daughter has painted them (pink and sparkly-they must be Emperor's Children! run!).

Popularity issues fade big time after school. Don't worry about it.

Gutlord Grom
09-05-2007, 19:09
I hide my terrible wargaming secret from mostly everyone at school. People thinks its a bit crazy. Though a few think it's kinda cool, most think its weird.

My parents don't mind, and my brother knows half the background, even if he says he doesn't want to play.

Xenocidal Maniac
09-05-2007, 19:29
Ha. Fun topic.

I am 27 years old, so I am well out of high school, but I still keep this hobby of mine in the closet. See, I am a geek at heart, but by all outward appearances I am a "cool" guy.

About a year ago, it got out at work that I "play with toy soldiers", and I still haven't really heard the end of it. My co-workers still rag on me about it.

I make sure when I have girls over to my place that I hide the miniatures. Each one that has found out has thought it pretty weird for a man in his mid-20's to play with toy soldiers. So, I just keep it a secret.

Also, keep in mind that there was a scene in The 40-Year-Old Virgin where the protagonist was painting miniatures. That pretty much stigmatized the entire hobby for at least the next decade. I get comparisons to that a lot at work (although I am by no means a virgin! ;) )

My advice: Keep it in the closet. Life's just easier that way. Most people just don't get it.

Wolfsbane
09-05-2007, 19:31
I played DnD and warhammer 40k from 8th grade through college, and I still currently play.

When people asked me if I played or what I was doing this saturday, I'd say something like, "I'm gonna use an RPG (rocket propelled grenade, not role-playing game) to blow up my friend's tank. No seriously, I'm gonna play a war-game with some buds drinking a couple beers."

If you make it casual and have confidence in your voice when you talk about it, no one is going to care. Some people watch soccer (Mwhahahaha, ignorant yank go!), some try to kill 28mm models that represent 7 foot tall men who have been implanted with the power of a demigod.

GW also isn't common knowledge in the states, not sure how well know it is in the UK.

MeatGrinder
09-05-2007, 19:34
I try not to mention it but my close friends know

the only other players in the school are, well, freaks (they just are strange people, freaks is the closest i can get)

Bloodknight
09-05-2007, 19:36
What jfrazell said. I didn´t care much about people´s opinion when I was at school and interestingly after school this whole who is popular stuff ended because people had actually something else to do, such as getting a job or finding an appropriate subject to study.
Also, the people who tell you that your hobby is gay tend to do stuff which is infinitely more gay, such as wrestling and football (stuff where half naked guys wallow around on the ground and preferably in the mud...)^^.
I might mention that I am 27 years old and don´t let other people call me names, as most of them are stupider than I am. ;)

Wolfsbane
09-05-2007, 19:37
Ha. Fun topic.

I am 27 years old, so I am well out of high school, but I still keep this hobby of mine in the closet. See, I am a geek at heart, but by all outward appearances I am a "cool" guy.

About a year ago, it got out at work that I "play with toy soldiers", and I still haven't really heard the end of it. My co-workers still rag on me about it.

I make sure when I have girls over to my place that I hide the miniatures. Each one that has found out has thought it pretty weird for a man in his mid-20's to play with toy soldiers. So, I just keep it a secret.

Also, keep in mind that there was a scene in The 40-Year-Old Virgin where the protagonist was painting miniatures. That pretty much stigmatized the entire hobby for at least the next decade. I get comparisons to that a lot at work (although I am by no means a virgin! ;) )

My advice: Keep it in the closet. Life's just easier that way. Most people just don't get it.

I think that's the wrong way to go at it. If you hide it, it means your ashamed of it. People will make fun of what you are ashamed.

But then I'm an evangelist when it come to gaming. I try to get people that don't game to game, some enjoy it, some don't.

When people try to give me crap about playing wargames I ask if they've played "Gears of War" or "Call of Duty". What's the difference? You control more guys.

Grimshawl
09-05-2007, 19:40
Some people will give you crap about it, but honestly as long as your not sitting in a closet talking to your figs it should be alright, the people who rag on you the most are insecure or mean spirited and probably have tons worse secrets to hide. Your true friends will acomidate your interests even if their not into the same things you are. Your own self confidence should be stronger than the hollow mockery of a few ass clowns.

Cairnius
09-05-2007, 19:41
My wife thinks the hobby is cool as hell and not only tolerates it, but is helping me build my first table.

I have found that people have some level of respect for chess, so I describe 40K thusly:

It makes chess look like checkers.

Seriously - you can't be stupid and do well at this game. Let people know that playing 40K is a sign of intelligence.

Everyone knows that geeks make the most money and pull the best wives in the end, so embrace your geekdom! Jocks' lives end at 30 when they are too run-down to play sports anymore, save the .0001% of them who actually get somewhere and then get to do commercials until they are 50 and a living joke.

Deadite
09-05-2007, 19:42
"popularity" and such fades real fast when you're out of school and in a committed relationship. As do these kinds of labels you may be experiencing.
If anything but light-hearted ribbing (or taking-the-****, joking, smirks, what have you) at your expense comes about at a job, find a new job, you don't need the headache (i.e. it's not just the 'toy-soldiers' they have issue with).

I play. I have an entire room in my house dedicated (mostly) to the hobby. My wife doesn't care as it keeps me home. My employers don't care (though I have received odd looks from some folks) as long as I do my job and the hobby doesn't interfere with work and schedule. My friends are gamers of some sort and understand the hobby.

Just wait a few years and grow a bit longer in the tooth. You'll be fine.

The Ape
09-05-2007, 19:43
I make sure when I have girls over to my place that I hide the miniatures. Each one that has found out has thought it pretty weird for a man in his mid-20's to play with toy soldiers. So, I just keep it a secret.



Maybe people are just more laid back in the UK but no one really gives a t*ss to be honest. I don't go blurting it out to everyone I meet, but once I know someone, I slip it in to a conversation casually and it never seems to be an issue.

In fact, I often get more stick for playing American Football than I do for collecting toy soldiers... :wtf:

Earl_UK
09-05-2007, 19:44
Interesting topic.

when i was at school , all the "cool kids" were into DnD and metal so it was accepted as the norm to be honest, either that or playing footie. the Dinner time strikes were in there hayday then so we were quite handy to have "happily playing games out of the way"....

In later life i have always been in the Alternative scene, in bands going to rock venues etc.. most in these scenes are very tolernet i find of war/roleplay gaming and minature painting.

I run what is primaraly a Console Game shop, with GW as a side line and i do very often here a lot of customers talking about oh i used to do that i didnt know that were still going...

In the majority i find most people into GW are geeky, metal heads, arty types (usually) and Im proud to fit in all those catagories !! :D

RomanCommander
09-05-2007, 19:45
I get laughed at everytime I bring it up. I dont really care though cause its fun.

Earl_UK
09-05-2007, 19:46
Also World of Warcrack has helped in the acceptance of "Fantasy" gaming.

wingedserpant
09-05-2007, 19:47
I don't brag, don't deny. I f somebody asks I say yes.

Some say I have no life but I have really good friends at my local GW. I have a girlfriend and heaps of friends who know I play, they don't care. When I moved school, I made instant friends with some people as I already knew them through the hobby.

Its more creative and healthy than playing video games.

DJR
09-05-2007, 19:47
That is a difficult question, im in college and ive ben playing for 3 years. funnily i was alot more in the closet about it back then but since i came to college many have discovered that i play and havn't looked differently on me at all. It all depends i think on the oppinion people already have of you. Im on the college rugby team. Love goin out and socialising and because im into a hobby that a minority of people are into isnt going to change their oppinion of me. if one is however somewhat of a loner or considered a geek already, people discovering that he or she plays the hobby will further that oppinion.

Thats what i think. But i am sure that your friends who actually know you won't think twice abot it....but they might say 'wow, i thought that was for nerds'

Wolfsbane
09-05-2007, 19:47
In fact, I often get more stick for playing American Football than I do for collecting toy soldiers... :wtf:

That's because the rest of the world is just jealous we created the ultimate hybrid sport.

Jimbobjeff
09-05-2007, 19:50
I get a lot of stick where I am for playin GW but (its mostly on the bus...."say whats in the case?" "warhammer" "ahhhhhhh NERD duh!") But I have learned to ignore it and as long as the people that matter to you dont do it it is easily managable (Im just waiting until I get rich and one of the idiotic chav scum wants a job off me...hehehehehehe)

El Presedente
09-05-2007, 19:51
I used to get a load of stick at school because of it. After recently coming back to it now at university, a couple of my friends thought it was a bit silly but havn't gone on about it, and another few of them were dead impressed with my painting skills, so I got kudos for it.

Best advice would be to not be extravegant about it, but by all means don't hide it, you shoudn't have to, if people start to make a big deal out of it then I just go 'meh, its a hobby'

Interstingly enough I was wearing a star wars t-shirt the other day and walked passed a bunch of kids from school, who started making sarcastic comments about it, and it made me laugh, because thats not happened in a long time.

Watcher666
09-05-2007, 19:56
my mates know im a geek at heart (mmorpgs and warhammer) (also some of them collect warhammer as well) but when the doubters see a centre piece model they shut up =P

also im insta cool becuase im in a progressive metal band lol (2 other members of the band also collect warhammerlol) www.myspace.com/incarnaband check it out =P

ChrisAsmadi
09-05-2007, 19:58
That's because the rest of the world is just jealous we created the ultimate hybrid sport.

Hardly. It's more a sissy version of rugby. But this whole thread of conversation is off-topic.

As for it in my area - my friend and I (my friend has played longer, but he's not a very good general, so I consistantly beat him at Fantasy - don't have a 40k/LotR army yet) managed to introduce some people from our college group into playing warhammer, and there's also the fact that, since I'm in a Software Development course, everyone's somewhat geekish, so...

starlight
09-05-2007, 19:59
Do you walk up to people and tell them, "I drive a (insert vehicle)."?
Do you walk up to people and tell them, "I make $(insert annual salary)."?
Do you walk up to people and tell them, "I listen to (insert your favourite music."?
Do you walk up to people and tell them, "I play Warhammer."?

Does it really matter? People who know you and respect you won't care, people who don't aren't worth your time.

Railgunner
09-05-2007, 20:02
I got alot of stick when i was living in the UK.
But now i'm living over here to norway no-one cares, and most people think its pretty cool.
I have to say, even though it is alot more expensive to do (25 pounds for an 18 pound box!!) i prefer it over here.

RG

SwordsofChaos
09-05-2007, 20:02
I tell anyone that asks and most in my class knows. I have no reason to be ashamed of my hobbies and thus I have no reason to hide them.

Häxjägare
09-05-2007, 20:04
Never had a problem with it here in Sweden.

From like 4th grade all the "cool" kids in my class played magic and some played Warhammer, never was an issue. Even now in Collage it isn't really an issue here, sure I don't go telling everyone I meet that I play Wargames. But the people I know and the people that have been in my appartment have never complained, I have actually gotten more compliments then anything else!

Most of the people I game with are outgoing social people that I can aswell go out to a bar with that I can game with. So, no I wouldn't hide it since I don't feel that you have to.

Griffin
09-05-2007, 20:05
Me ? - I'm as geeky as they come, I love all things Weird and wonderful from World of Darkness through to DnD, PC games, WH40K. The stereo types of don't really apply anymore - I'm a long time outa school and none of my Co-workers rag on about it, because they have seen the kind of effort that goes into painting, and the thought in playing. I have dozens of friends geeks and jocks alike - at the end of the day its partially our fault - We stereo type them as Jocks who won't get anywhere in life, and they stereo type us as geeks that will never have a life.

At the end of it all we are all wrong. Bleh I ramble.

Gimp
09-05-2007, 20:12
Hhhmmm.


When I was at school it never bothered me. For one reason no one here knows what Warhammer is or what it is about. If I had to wear a T-shirt saying "I play Warhammer" peoples faces would look a lot like this :confused:. or :wtf:.

But dont sweat it once your out of school popularity goes to the bottom of the "things to do this year" list.

Xenocidal Maniac
09-05-2007, 20:13
This has turned into a really good thread! Really got a conversation started with this one.

I should add that I am in a financial services position in a big money boiler room type environment, and I work with fellow salesmen, and we are basically construction workers in suits... there is a lot of practical joking and ragging that goes on in the office, so, my experience may not be entirely typical.

I am certainly not ashamed of it, and, anyone who knows me knows my "I don't give a ***** what you think" attitude. I just find it irritating to have to explain and defend the hobby to people who don't get it and never will anyway. Why waste my time? I don't need to make these dolts privy to the details of my private life.

But, by all means, hide the minis when you have girls over!!! Why run the risk of not getting laid!?! :D

Lostanddamned
09-05-2007, 20:18
At my college - I can sit in a lesson writing out army lists on a separate sheet of paper and comments are likely to be along the lines of "what chapter?" or "drop the bikers", "what are you doing" or the ever popular "oooh? is that Templars?"

Or total indifferance - that said - My GF doesn't Know I play.

silence
09-05-2007, 20:18
I'd say i'm a pretty popular guy at work, and most of them know about what i get up to, though admitedly since i play historical games as well i tend to mention that first rather than admitting i like playing with elves ;) . Most people just accept it. My wife knew fairly early on in the relationship what my hobby is (though nearly 7 years on still does not get it) and just puts it down to a guy thing, we just never grow up.

Ultimately though it is kinda true, you generally care less what other people think of your hobbies once you have left school, though i have known guys keep it secret from everyone just incase they get labled a geek, personally though i just don't care

MordrekDaMean
09-05-2007, 20:20
So, it was late in the night. The party I was having at my place was turning into clandestine groping in various bedrooms and drunk acoustic guitar playing on the porch. I'm in my room with 2 of the hottest girls I had seen in my young life... and all they want to do is look at my MINIS!!!
"Hey, come sit on the bed..."
"Ooooh, I like this one! Whats it called?"
"Its a grot... sigh."
I am hugely vocal about being a nerd! Once I got out of highschool, I never had a problem. Quite the opposite!

El Presedente
09-05-2007, 20:21
I always was on the bottom rung when I was at school, being a Catholic Comic Reading, Model Painting, Badminton Playing, PC Gaming Doctor Who fan wasn't easy (but Is now, and a great conversion starter altogh it can scare the girls off, or as I like to think, acts as a siv for the good ones).

But I think that had noting to do with it, I think I got no respect because I actually behaved myself, did all my work, shut up in class ect, out of my entire time at school I only had one detention, and that was as a witness.

Interestingly the boots on the other foot now, I even got to be common room chair person in sixth form and wreaked bloody vengance against my opressors.

Free Spirit
09-05-2007, 20:23
heh fun topic indeed.

I got it okay, i carry my codex in my backback all day ( cuz im too lazy to get it out and its usefull for building army lists when im in the train ). My class at school has a pretty good family feeling to it. We go get beers with the whole group, go to a club, stuff like that. Im into metal, DnD, fantasy and scifi books ( wich i also read at school ) and i tell anyone who asks, i don't give a **** what they think. All my mates at school don't bother and some were actually quite impressed by my painted mini's. When im on a school computer and im browsing a GW orientated website they usually say: 'owh i knew it was you behind this computer', but's that's as far as the teasing goes.

Likewise, you don't always see it at the outside, one day i go to school wearing jeans and 'brand' shirts the other day i put on my baggy pants put on a metal or videogame tshirt and go along with it. No-one minds. By girls standard im pretty cool ( thats kind of awkward saying about yourself ) and i have a girlfriend ( who was very much complimented on after i took her to school on a sort of family evening ). Never had problems with girls and dated all sorts of different ones ( from the evil 'buy me gifts, louisvutton wearin, im just gonna have a salad' types to the RnB loving asian girl ) and i dont even hide my hobbies, usually my DnD books are scattered around my apartment and my book closet is just stuffed with fantasy and sci-fi books. I also own a nice collection of action figures! Perhaps im just lucky with my situation.

At work its also pretty cool, most people there don't get it or like the painting but get crazy when i tell them how much time there is in the detail. Luckily i work together with the boardmember Melchor, so im not alone on my work, got someone to share the passion with.

Finnith
09-05-2007, 20:24
I generally keep it quiet but it depends on who im with. After awhile hanging out with people you can often find the inner geek in them so find it easy to chat to them about it if they ask. I always keep it hidden when i go out on a night out, explaining to a girl the next morning why there are loads of little half naked models of men in my room is very difficult. Most of my friends know im a geek at heart but i really wouldnt tell them how much this stuff costs.

Its often surprising when your down the pub and it gets randomly mentioned, the whole table will start chatting about it. Even people you never expect to talk about it. The best GW based discussion ive had outside a store this year was with a stripper at a club, found out she had like 5 3000+ point armies from varying games then got to see her boobies. Awesome!

As The Ape said over in the UK I get more grief from playing american football for my uni team. If I ever bring it up in conversation its exaclty the same line "Isnt that like rugby but with loads of pads and helmets, you puff!".

Ninners
09-05-2007, 20:25
Wow, this is turning into a great thread, i didnt't think there were so many different opinions / ways people deal with it.

Some of my close friends know about it, one used to play, one painted a lizardman and thought it was OK.

I think im probably in the same situation as you el presedente but id like to be in the position of mordrekdamean. What would of happened if they had seen a demonette or emperers children marine? :wtf:

Keep the replies coming

El Presedente
09-05-2007, 20:28
That said I would never dream of taking my non gaming friends into GW though fear that the hyperactive staff would try and sell them something rediculously expensive.

My twin brother (not identical) trys to take the **** sometimes (calling them 'little warhammers' which always makes my blood boil) but I usually just say 'shut up fatty' and that ends it.

Aflo
09-05-2007, 20:28
Hardly. It's more a sissy version of rugby. But this whole thread of conversation is off-topic.



Hear, hear! I myself am 14 and a bit of a rugby player and while I'm not considered a 'hard-ass' I can take care of myself. Most of my friends know I am involved in the hobby and most accept it, in fact some think it's pretty cool. People I am not so close to tend to be a bit less, well 'forgiving' shall we say and while the vast majority of stick I recieve is the odd smirk or giggle, there are the occasional odd-jobs trying to prove something to the world, which quite frankly, is often laughable. All said and done, it's a popular activity that most have heard of, which no doubt changes what is socially acceptable and what isn't (such as D&D :p )
Regards
Aflo (Adam)

superknijn
09-05-2007, 20:29
Well, most of them saw it coming really, but as nerd culture has somewhat integrated with the main one, it doesn't matter that much. Granted, you do have the more wisdom-orientated persons, who all are into Warhammer and the like, but there areloads of other, more 'normal' people, who also do it. I myself am still rather 'geeky' (yes, still :angel:), as you may call it, but my brother absolutely isn't, as are roughly half of the Warhammer gamers in my area.

Venerable_Bede
09-05-2007, 20:31
Well I was wondering, do people like me have to keep their warhammer hobbies secret from people at school? Everyone at my school (except me and the club) think warhammer is, well, gay.

If anyone found out i played i would be torn to shreds!

Are some people lucky enough to be supported by their school or other people where the majority think warhammer is cool or normal?

I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but it is "gay". There's no use trying to explain it away, but there's also no use trying to hide it.

You are what you are and you like what you like. I know it's easy to say, but take it from someone older, you'll be a lot happier if you just do what you like and don't worry about what others say. You'll also know who your friend are.

And in case you're worried that it will make you "abnormal", I am 41 years old, married, two children, and an attorney in a law firm in a large American city. I think that's pretty normal.

El Presedente
09-05-2007, 20:32
The best GW based discussion ive had outside a store this year was with a stripper at a club, found out she had like 5 3000+ point armies from varying games then got to see her boobies. Awesome!


That, is the best story I have ever heard! That should be told to children before they go to sleep at night. Its a truely modern fairy tale.

Sparda
09-05-2007, 20:37
Well, considering me and my freind play warhammer during lunch, speak in old english alot, bring our warhammer 40k/DND books to school, watch star trek, and try to get people to join our group, I have never been insulted, although this may be because we have 15 people in our class and we can beat up everyone in our class with a hand tied behind our back. Of course, if I was in a bigger school, I would probally be made fun of, but when I am in public I just shrug of the comments of people.

Anubis_the_Harlie
09-05-2007, 20:39
Well, at school I was never overly popular... but that was because I was a complete **** at junior school not because of most people knowing about my hobby. Most people just didn't care.

My GF of 4 years knows, obviously, she didn't care when she found out; given the circumstances. She still ribs me for it every now and again, but I don't care, tis all in good fun.

Seriously though don't be shy about your hobby, people who have a problem are just ignorant and don't deserve your time.

Lothar bubonicus
09-05-2007, 20:39
The key to a successful life is to realize that no-ones opinion matters except your own. I tell people I like GW, Video games, whatever. If they think I am gay or sad or whatever, So what? will I suddenly drop dead?! Hell no!
do what makes you happy, tell people what makes you happy.

Templar Ben
09-05-2007, 20:40
Also, the people who tell you that your hobby is gay tend to do stuff which is infinitely more gay, such as wrestling and football (stuff where half naked guys wallow around on the ground and preferably in the mud...)^^.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.


In fact, I often get more stick for playing American Football than I do for collecting toy soldiers.

That is rather funny.


That's because the rest of the world is just jealous we created the ultimate hybrid sport.

Yes it is the perfect sport for television. People just don't understand the beauty of that.


Hardly. It's more a sissy version of rugby. But this whole thread of conversation is off-topic.

I played quite a bit of rugby but I wouldn't really say that. Football with pads is actually quite dangerous. Let alone all of the deaths to high school students because of football even after the rules changes. Football is still safer than skiing though so take of that what you will.


But, by all means, hide the minis when you have girls over!!! Why run the risk of not getting laid!?! :D

I agree.


So, it was late in the night. The party I was having at my place was turning into clandestine groping in various bedrooms and drunk acoustic guitar playing on the porch. I'm in my room with 2 of the hottest girls I had seen in my young life... and all they want to do is look at my MINIS!!!
"Hey, come sit on the bed..."
"Ooooh, I like this one! Whats it called?"
"Its a grot... sigh."
I am hugely vocal about being a nerd! Once I got out of highschool, I never had a problem. Quite the opposite!

I was so hoping this story was going to go in a different direction.



Anyway, here you get a blank stare. Funny thing is "here" is Memphis, TN so we have this large mill and bunker and still nothing. I am too old to hide anything.

starlight
09-05-2007, 20:42
I didn't think lawyers were allowed around here.

:p

As long as you aren't hurting anyone, keep doing what you like and you'll attract others who like the same things.

The boyz
09-05-2007, 20:42
I think at school, all my mates new I collected and played 40K/WFB. Non of them seemed to bother me about it, at all.

All my mates at Uni, know I collect and play regularly too and non of them care either. I occasionally chat to my mates about the hobby and they ask me a thew questions about what I have been painting and if I have played much.

fenrisbrit
09-05-2007, 20:46
Brings back memories. I'm nearly 40 now but when I was at school RPGs were in and WH40k was just starting. I do not think I was ever given that hard a time about it - everyone needs a hobby and friends and anyone who makes fun of another guys hobby is exposing his own insecurities. As an adult I find I get different responses from different people but at the end of the day its what I enjoy so it really doesn't bother me at all what others think.

What I would say to any potential player (young or old) is that, unlike many computer games, 40k is a sociable hobby where you get to meet and interact with other human beings - that to me is why I play. Even here on line the social dimension is the key.

Ninners
09-05-2007, 20:50
Ok, now i want to be in Finniths position...

3 more replies have been added by the time my computer loaded the reply page :D this thread is obviously a thought provoking one

At my school (im 14) there are the cool people, a gap, then me and my friends, then a bigger gap then the people who everyone thinks are geeks / nerds (i probably am but no-one really knows). Some of the cool people pick on the geeks but i try to stand up for them. this is a conversation i had last term:

Mr X: yea, i love the simpsons
Me: You seen the episode where...
Mr X: o yea that was funny, i have a action figure of homer...

2 weeks later
Mr X: ha ha you geek you have star wars figures (directed at someone else)
Me: Yea but you have simpsons figures...
Mr X: no why the :wtf: would i have them shut up!

Suppose some people hide it to stay popular, im not popular that much so my friends know but i dont want to be less popular so i dont tell everyone i play

Khornies & milk
09-05-2007, 20:53
I only started playing after a serious work - related accident left me permanently housebound. My son plays and it's that that got me interested.
My family, close and extended, as well as my friends, are really supportive of the hobby. It is a way to keep me mentally stimulated, and in a happy - state - of - mind. My son and i have between us about 20K of minis, and still climbing, and we play often. Currently in the middle of building permanent CoD and Fantasy boards in the spare room.
Our local GW loves us - we spend lots of Mulah there, and have met a lot of very nice people.
There is a lot of love for WH in my personal neck of the woods.
I embrace it gratefully and eagerly.

cheers

Son of Makuta
09-05-2007, 20:57
I'm with Bloodknight on this one... I tell people, most of my close friends know. I've even got photos of my conversions on my bebo page for all to see... Sure, I get a little stick about it, but so what? It's the only game I know where you can have a social conversation and a cup of tea in the middle of it! Not to mention control plenty of men without having to make buildings!

Gimp
09-05-2007, 20:59
Wow from what I have heared from some of you guys I am now starting to feel kind of glad that Warhammer here is suck an un known subject.

Widukind
09-05-2007, 20:59
The best GW based discussion ive had outside a store this year was with a stripper at a club, found out she had like 5 3000+ point armies from varying games then got to see her boobies. Awesome!

Haha, priceless.

No, I don't go to great lengths to hide my hobby and most people who know me, know I'm in it. They don't care, although some frown upon it. I don't talk about it with people I know aren't familiar with the game. When being asked about it, I find it helps when you explain it's something similar to collecting trains, playing chess or building resin model kits. Generally something the average jack knows. Don't use game terms when speaking with people you know are unfamiliar with the hobby. Telling random strangers about your 3000 point second founding Crimson Fists Chapter with converted Librarian isn't a very good idea.

Don't let it be an issue, some people play soccer, others play Warhammer. Treat it like that. And yes, it's true that once you've left school, things like this are much less of an issue. Just never be ashamed of who you are and what you like and never let others dictate what you should be.

El Presedente
09-05-2007, 21:00
Ok, now i want to be in Finniths position...

3 more replies have been added by the time my computer loaded the reply page :D this thread is obviously a thought provoking one

At my school (im 14) there are the cool people, a gap, then me and my friends, then a bigger gap then the people who everyone thinks are geeks / nerds (i probably am but no-one really knows). Some of the cool people pick on the geeks but i try to stand up for them. this is a conversation i had last term:

Mr X: yea, i love the simpsons
Me: You seen the episode where...
Mr X: o yea that was funny, i have a action figure of homer...

2 weeks later
Mr X: ha ha you geek you have star wars figures (directed at someone else)
Me: Yea but you have simpsons figures...
Mr X: no why the :wtf: would i have them shut up!

Suppose some people hide it to stay popular, im not popular that much so my friends know but i dont want to be less popular so i dont tell everyone i play

If people take the **** out of other people when they have done nothing wrong then their idiots, and you can tell them El Presedente thinks their idiots.

I will take the **** out of people, but always in good fun, and only if they are genuinely at fault, for example if somone has put on weight then they are at fault, but if someone likes classical music then they are not at fault, if someone is a conservative then they are at fault... you get the Idea.

studderigdave
09-05-2007, 21:00
im a ******* gamer, all my friends are gamers. new friends i make either get cuecked into it or at least know that i do it, there is nothing to hide. warhyammer, 40k, necro, epic, gorka morka, DnD, magic, b-tech, clay-o-rama, whatever it is im down. im 25 now, and ive never been ashamed to show that im a gamer.

Elcampbello
09-05-2007, 21:03
The cool thing is with most of my mates it's a case of mutualy assured destruction, as we've got enough blackmail material on each other to destroy our social lives inside of 5 seconds!

In all seriousness, I find most people say something to the effect of "that's wierd" to which I say "yea, I know." Basicly as long as it's not the be all end all of your life, you should be fine.

Ninners
09-05-2007, 21:08
for example if somone has put on weight then they are at fault

sorry, but i dont really agree. I don't like it but i am bit overweight, and it is hard to control. It is proven that a lot of people cannot help it due to the way their bodies react to foods and there metabolisms.

TheWarSmith
09-05-2007, 21:10
I think that's the wrong way to go at it. If you hide it, it means your ashamed of it. People will make fun of what you are ashamed.

But then I'm an evangelist when it come to gaming. I try to get people that don't game to game, some enjoy it, some don't.

When people try to give me crap about playing wargames I ask if they've played "Gears of War" or "Call of Duty". What's the difference? You control more guys.

Well, I don't agree with that point. People insult things that they don't understand, and quite honestly, educating the world on the ins/outs of warhammer 40k/fantasy isn't really worth the trouble, as it's not that "noble" of a cause. If i felt that I'd be tormented about my hobby, I would keep it a secret. As it is, I have a nicely painted pegasus knight on my desk at work, and people usually are very awestruck by it(usually women).

I agree with a poster about putting out the "cool guy" aura. I'm not going to publicly advertise my hobbies until I know it would be well received. My girlfriend thinks it's dorky, but I simply tell myself "at least I have a hobby", while most people admittedly don't.

starlight
09-05-2007, 21:15
Actually weight gain is seldom hard to control, and I speak from experience. Excess wieght is simply a balance between what you eat and what you use. If you are gaining weight then you aren't exercising enough to burn the calories you are taking in.

After I put on a few dozen too many pounds and didn't fit my clothes, I put a stop to that nonsense, started working out more and took a job full of hard physical labour. Now I'm back down to the same weight and size I was shortly after high school and getting compliments on how good I look. I've still got a fair way to go on my cardio, but I'm started and working on it.

Back on topic, If you have confidence in who you are and what you do, seldom will people give you grief about your hobbies. The only reason some people will give you grief is because they feel you are an easy target.

squiggoth
09-05-2007, 21:18
But, by all means, hide the minis when you have girls over!!! Why run the risk of not getting laid!?! :D

Girls, at least in this country, like a guy who is creative. And besides, Chicks Dig Squigs. :D

I've never cared about wether wargaming was "cool" enough or not. Over the years I've been abused a lot more for getting severely drunk and puking in my friend's tent/crashing my bike and loosing my front teeth/trying to set a fireproof bus stop to fire/any other dumb behaviour than for playing Warhammer .... in fact, I can only remember one guy in high school who actually thought Warhammer was geeky and made sure to tell me 24/7, and he stopped whining after I found out that two of my regular Warhammer-opponents were actually two of his best buds and told them how the kid felt about Wargamers. :p
When I mention my hobby folks either say "oh, that sounds interesting" or "oh, that looks boring", just like with any other hobby.

I also wear Miffy t-shirts in public. :angel:

Subtext
09-05-2007, 21:22
I'm 20 now and most of my friends now about my hobbies. When I get asked what I did on the weekend I normally reply with: "Got drunk, played crossgolf, and painted/played with little plastic toy soldiers."
So the normal response is :wtf: 'plastic soldiers' and I explain what I meant by that.
But I found out that it's much easier since Dawn of War came out, so you can just say it's the game DoW is based on.
And also if I show them some of my figures they're mostly impressed.
In my class it's mostly accepted, especially since I got them all addicted with munchkin (if you don't know what munchkin is you should go and check it out, it's extreamly funny).

But I wouldn't praise the emperor in the middle of a public place or something (actually I wouldn't even do that during a game of 40k), that is just to weird.

And you get enough weird looks when your driving around on a bike with a crate of beer and a golf club.

I also support the advice not to have your figures laying around when you have girls at your place. If they find out later it's ok (atleast I never had problems). But I don't think it's helpful if you just want to get a chick laid. :D


The best GW based discussion ive had outside a store this year was with a stripper at a club, found out she had like 5 3000+ point armies from varying games then got to see her boobies. Awesome!
Muhaha, thats great, your my hero! Hope you don't mind me putting it in my signature.

Badgertronic
09-05-2007, 21:23
ide get jumped if anyone but my friends(they play as well) knew.

thorwa1
09-05-2007, 21:27
I'm 23 and have been playing for 2 years. I never hid the hobby, but I never boasted about it either. Some of my girlfriend's friends say it's "stupid". My response to this is, "Maybe, but its a lot of fun and I get more enjoyment out of it then you get out of the 2 dozen pairs of shoes you own."

Bottomline, its a hobby. Its a distraction from the overall stress of life.

Admittedly, I never go to the GW store in the mall, its just to close to the old stomping grounds. I am fortunate enough to live near the East coast HQ.

Ninners
09-05-2007, 21:28
Actually weight gain is seldom hard to control, and I speak from experience

i also speak from experience, i try eating less and working out but it really doesn't work.

It has been scientifically proven that some people can eat fast food, baked goods, crisps, etc as much as they like and not gain any weight. However some people eat very little and gain weight. Some people are in between.

It's all about someone metabolism

El Presedente
09-05-2007, 21:40
It has been scientifically proven that some people can eat fast food, baked goods, crisps, etc as much as they like and not gain any weight.

I know, me!

But in fairness, what I was trying to say was, calling someone 'fatty' because they are slighly overweight and even a bit chunky, because, well, they are. but calling someone a geek because... actually no, my arguments fallen apart, discard all that.

Well, what I will say is that an insult is fine as long as its not exessive, constant, or bullying.

0ld1eye
09-05-2007, 21:44
well, I attend a boarding school, and I got a lot of stick for playing warhammer. but thats stopped now - guess they've just got used to it, or maybe its 'cos I only have my best-painted models showing (tzeentch lord on disk, carnifex, forge world dread, land raider... give good impressions of the hobby...)
anyway, screw em. they play the pc game, I play the real version that actually needs a variety of skills to play, instead of a fast mouse finger and a good memory for hotkeys.

not that I'm cussing DoW, thats one helluva game.

kaimarion
09-05-2007, 21:45
Yeh all my friends know I play and they are all supportive and yeh I did get compared to that guy in 40 year old virgin well its because I am a Halo feak....any way am 14 and been playin for 4 years.
On the topic of wieght gain just eat healthy should work...am 5,8 and weigh 10 stonne

Finnith
09-05-2007, 21:51
Admittedly, I never go to the GW store in the mall, its just to close to the old stomping grounds.

Thats true as well. This hobby would be so much easier if you could walk into a discrete little shop and come out with a box in a brown paper bag. If anyone you know asks what youve got just shout porn and run off.

Instead we get great big shop windows that anyone can look into, huge big signs over the shops and glowing bags that yell to all the world what you are carrying. And then GW wonder why people are buying stuff off the internet rather than the stores.

xibo
09-05-2007, 21:52
Heretics! how can you deny your loyalty to the one and only true emperor?
blasphemy...

Chainsworded Codpiece
09-05-2007, 21:52
Wow, it took me about half an hour of bitter nostalgia, remembering high school, to even have the huevos to post.

Point 1: If your health and safety are actually in danger for being different, by all means hide your hobby, if you must.

Your life isn't a f@kking stand on principle or a sociopolitical statement, it's your life. You have a right to take a cautious approach.

On the other hand, if you feel that you must fight, well, I can't say I blame you.

But be prepared to lose. There are a lot of bastards out there. And they are often stronger than you, or have a weight of numbers.

You are right for wanting to live and play as you do. But "being right" won't give you a win. That's the Universe for ya.:(

Point 2: I notice some of the posts here seem to accept the notion of the "nerd's revenge". They say stuff like, "Wait around, you'll get the best job, and pull the 'best wife' (WTF?!) in the end, and all the jocks will be washed-up..."

That just isn't necessarily true. This is the real world, not some ridiculous revenge-play. And assuming that you should gear your life/marriage/job as a means towards some great "I Told You So" is f@kking socially retarded.

Furthermore, some of the "jocks" may get their asses in gear, and become friends with people outside their normal range. Furthermore, you may find that some of the people you thought were bastards, actually grow up and are all right in the end. Hey, it happens.

And sadly, sometimes the ones that really ARE bastards...well, they end up doing just fine. At least for as long as you know them. Existence isn't fair.

Point 3: If you are standing up for the luckless few at the short end of the social "stick", then you are doing more than most people do in your situation.

Most times, people (especially young people) are too caught up in their own (supposedly all-important) psychodrama to lend a hand to the next fella. If you are one of the few to stick his neck out, tthen you're better than the average...

...and you probably have a lot more friends than you know.

Try and have as much fun as you can. Make your life worth living, and don't worry overly about punishing the scumbags (worry about staying out of their way, it's easier and takes less time).

And yes, the crap simmers down a lot after High School, and almost disappears after College.

Subtext
09-05-2007, 21:52
I really start loving this thread.

Just have add this to it, in conjunction with other peoples response to the game.
http://cad-comic.com/comics/20061101.jpg

Luthien
09-05-2007, 22:00
my mates know and i sometimes talk about it with them but i don't go round shoutng i play warhammer from the rooftops

Ninners
09-05-2007, 22:01
I really start loving this thread.

Just have add this to it, in conjunction with other peoples response to the game.
http://cad-comic.com/comics/20061101.jpg

:D where did you get that, its awesome!

Subtext
09-05-2007, 22:04
:D where did you get that, its awesome!
It's from the Ctrl+Alt+Del Comic (http://cad-comic.com/index.php).

You can find the start of the 40k related storyline here (http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20061030).

0ld1eye
09-05-2007, 22:09
you've... never heard of CAD?

my god.

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/
best webcomic ever. no.1 in the world. sort of the equivalent of counter-strike in the gaming community - nearly everyone has heard of it.
enjoy.

a bit more on the topic of friends... don't suck up to the popular people. It makes you look like a bootlicker, and while you may make quite a few friends, you'll get bitched about behind your back.
Far better to stand up for, as chainsawed codpiece put it, the 'luckless few'. gives a good impression.
more importantly, making friends is less important than not making enemies. don't **** anyone off - stay amiable, joke around, appear carefree, even if secretly you just want to punch the gits face in.

answer_is_42
09-05-2007, 22:09
I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but it is "gay". There's no use trying to explain it away, but there's also no use trying to hide it.

"Gay"? people who use that term to describe non-gay people are simpletons in my experience .
Most people I know either love it and think its cool or think its, well nerdy. I somtimes get a kid (allways the same one) yell things like "go play with your models" and, oddly, "Gamesworkshop!", which I can't seem to understand. But, he plays Golf, so who's worse?

warboss48
09-05-2007, 22:13
Warhammer isn't a very well known thing were I live so people don't tend to say anything about it. I don't tell anyone about it unless they ask either.

Lancaster
09-05-2007, 22:16
Around Ottawa people have either not heard of it, or are just uninterested.

I don't know of anyone who looks down on people for playing it though...

Free Spirit
09-05-2007, 22:44
So okay loads of people hide their hobby. Put yourself in the position of a (parttime) redshirt.... how would they deal with that when chatting up a girl.

Girl: so... what kind of work do you do
Mr X: well uh yea well... i sell toy soldiers?


ps. this post is purely entertainment not to disrespect anyone here ;)

KITS AND BITS
09-05-2007, 23:05
Ahhh the old "people beat me up because i war game " thread ,that takes me back .

generally 95% of the population are stupid ,retarded numpties who believe that soap operas are real and live their lives based on what a celeb has told them to do in the latest copy of hello magazine ,if you need proof of this , just wait until something really bad happens in the world and ask them what they think of it ????
ask yourself this how is it fair for more people to know who paris hilton is than know who jes goodwin is ?

the fact is the 95er's as i like to call them are the ones who will decide to beat on kids who dont fit the 95% mold simply because they are different ,because they dont understand but more importantly because they are not equiped to understand you .
these are the same people who will not read a book for the rest of their life ,they wont write a letter ,they are the people who have lost their imagination ,to them when they see a stick ,they will always just see a stick .....but to you and i .... its a sword ,its a light sabre ,its a rifle ,its a fishing rod ,a bow ,an arrow ,a broom handle etc etc

this hobby is educational, it helps with interaction skills, problem solving and working with others ,does play station do the same ?

the only thing it really lacks is pysical excercise ,so to compensate i took up martial arts and the beatings soon stopped and the respect started

Greatoliver
09-05-2007, 23:32
Okay, I thought I'd stick my head up here as I like these threads, the ones I can really relate to.

Anyhoo, I am also of the ripe age of 24 minus 10 and I have aquired the "stroll" that everyone in Year 9 gets due to whatever. Surprisingly, I play 40K and no-one really knows outside of my tight-knitted group of friends. It's not that I hide it, it's that I just don't tell anyone.

I don't think there's a problem with not telling anyone. Logically, you will have friends who play and any close friends will know. Hiding it from your close friends may be bad as I don't think secrets should be used in that context... Um... a.k.a. No secrets with close friends... If you catch my drift. To conclude, there's no problem with no-one outside your group knowing, but it could limit your relationship with your lose buddies.

One thing I find irritating is the people who think that it's bad. There are loads of people who have once done it and then quit it for reasons unknown and these people are the ones who often slag it off. They just bring it up now and again to tease those who they know do play it (i.e. not me or my friends) and do other stuff like internet games. For some reason, you just want to biff them in the face... Actually, I feel that way about quite a lot of people in my year - I don't however! :p I have this pet hate for nasty people, you see. Luckily, I am restrained enough not to go on a rampage to bash all the nasty people! :angel:

I find it quite perculiar how the reputation came about as it's such a bad one. WH isn't a cult so it doesn't get that "alien respect" but it's a thing ascosiated with nerds. You do have to wonder why since it doesn't go with the stereotypical nerd with a computer... It's probably the aspect of toy soldiers. I would like to stop playing it and just see what it's like from the outside, in the perspective of someone who doesn't play it. I wonder what it looks like.

I think that's about all for my mind drain. At scholly-wol I am the nice guy - I am not one of the gang but I am someone who is nice and you can have a decent conversation with. Warhammer is a good thing to be into, in my opinion, as it is very social and is also creative. Yeah.

Oh, and for the record, PM is you are insulted or want to talk about anything, literally. Also, rowing is the ultimate sport!

chaos0xomega
09-05-2007, 23:36
I wouldn't say I go to great lengths to hide it, but I ain't open about it. A few kids around school know about it, most have been pretty cool about it(read: largely uniterested), but more than once I found myself trying to describe it to a non-gamer who has absolutely NO CLUE as to what I speak of. I prefer not to find myself in a situation like that, as trying to describe it quickly turns into a '....so you play heroclix....' moment.

Icarus
09-05-2007, 23:43
I've never hidden my hobbies and I've never got any kind of hassle from playing Warhammer. It came up with a new bunch of friends for the first time ever the other day and the reaction was literally "oh right", and then moved on with the conversation. Nobody cared. I may have just said "oh yeah i play football" or whatever.

Never got any problems from girls either, they're generally not interested but dont mind it, and often when they see the models they're impressed you have a talent.

But if someone is giving you hassle, just shrug it off. I mean, how stupid are they?

El Presedente
09-05-2007, 23:51
I would like to stop playing it and just see what it's like from the outside, in the perspective of someone who doesn't play it. I wonder what it looks like.

Trust me, you can quit, but you can never leave.

bluebugs
09-05-2007, 23:57
Well, most of my best friends know, and there is a bit of concealment around the topic, but I am not ashamed. I just let people know me, then present the information when the time is right. For example everyone I hang out with will know come fall that I like the hobby because I am brining my pieces to school with me because I am having serious hobby withdraw, oh this summer will be like drinking that first glass of water after 6 hours of sweating.

stonefox
10-05-2007, 01:38
I love these topics. Hell, half my posts on warseer are on similar topics.

First, I'm sure you mean wargaming, not GW. GW's great in that it got tons of kids to refer to the wargaming hobby as "the GW hobby."

Second, it's only as bad as you make it. If you're a total geek who plays D&D, is chubby, has a neckbeard, and smells like butt all the time, you deserve any scorn you get. If you're socially normal and can play it cool with the ladies, you can even make 40k a conversation hook (tell her about your magic fingers). It's up to you.

The big rule is not to run around school being that weird that's only known for his nerdy hobbies. Everyone appreciates people who have hobbies and interests, but not when someone is emotionally insecure enough that he has to hang tightly onto his fantasy world.

For me, I'm 21. Haven't started going to clubs or partying yet, but I'll give it a try sometime. However, I don't plan on telling the world about this hobby. That's just the very definition of dorky. Give a few words about it if the topic comes up, but don't spout your idiotic 40k fanfic. Trust me, they're not interested.

As for who's advice to listen to, your choice. But personally I wouldn't listen to all the "I'M DIFFERENT 'CUZ I'M A GAMER YOU'RE ALL JUST A BUNCH OF SUPERFICIAL JERKS!!!111!11" advice. Go ahead and alienate yourself in your crusade to bring nerdy hobbies to the mainstream or pretend you're better than all the (pick one adjective: boring, useless, dumb) normal people if you want.

Obviously, image has a lot to do with it. If you're a regular guy who at least follows normal (i.e. not the expensive, ritzy, $500 range) fashion then good for you. Don't start wearing fedoras or trenchcoats while wearing a neckbeard - you're only allowed if you can carry it well. Of course, people here would say, "If someone judged you because you wear anime/nerd shirts all the time, they aren't worth your time!" but it's up to you to swallow or reject that. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if people judged you - humans do that.

Oddly enough, the people who are socially cool and physically attractive (or at least in the range of normal) are the ones who don't really care anyway. You have your military hardasses who can back up any of their "gay" hobbies, you have your college/high school students who are reasonably fit and don't wear animu shirts all the time, and you have those pretty fly 35 year olds who mack on chicks when not playing warhammer. I've never met any of these guys who really talk about warhammer too much, don't really care to "spread the hobby", but are obviously passionate about it because they paint their models nicely. But hey, you get kids who only ever talk about warhammer and I'd call them creepy too.

A big reason Warhammer is a nerdy hobby is because of the time it takes to do it all. Just remember that you need a social life (outside of GW stores!) too and don't spend so much time sitting down that your chair has a permanent imprint of your butt. Again, it's only as nerdy as you make it.

For the record: I'm 215 pounds, 5'8", and reasonably fit. Hell, I turned into a gymrat after being an obese, stinky, 250 pound guy. Been going for 4-5 months and I'll keep working on the weight but workouts make you feel great anyway so the weight doesn't matter. In fact, I actually suggest that people who need more confidence should head to the gym. Seriously. Aside from getting advice in dating and socializing, since I really needed help after being an extreme nerd in early college who shut himself in his dorm room all the time, exercising really boosts your image (physically and mentally). Trust me, you'll actually feel it. The way you walk is different, the way you talk is different. With a bit of training you might even get a few girls to swoon.

And what the guy below me said. :) OWN YOUR DORKINESS. In any social engagement, it's not the pick-up lines or the laughter or the cheesy jokes that get you further ahead with someone (male or female). If you can turn around that comment about playing with little men (e.g. "Yep, I'm so emotionally insecure that I need to take out my frustrations on little plastic men!" in a cocky, funny manner), you could get a girl to laugh or get macho points from a guy.

etham
10-05-2007, 01:53
Good advice Stonefox.

Here's a bit from a 30 year old:

Have any of yolu ever seen The 40 Year Old Virgin? Whenever I'm working on "my guys" my girlfriend always asks if I'm "painting silver pants blue." Girls will think it's endearing if you are cool/suave enough to keep them from thinking of you as a dork. Any chick that can't get over your hobby is lame and not worth dating. And the only hard part about being cool or suave is believing that you are and sloughing off the criticism.

In other words, OWN YOUR DORKINESS.

To anyone being teased or hassled, remember, any twirp that thinks you're "insert epithet here" because you do this is just as lame as the undatable chick. That said, try to keep yourself from becoming narrow or obsessed. That's when you will become exactly what "they" are calling you.

Recently there was a poll done that asked how long people had been doing this. Overwhelmingly, people have been in this community a loooong time. Many over a decade. Trust me, this will stick with you longer than any lame chick, and well longer than any school you're stuck in now. In the end this will give you much more satisfaction in life.

Warboss Grimmtoof
10-05-2007, 02:00
I dont openly tell people but I have discussions about it all the time at school (no not in hushed voices in the broom closet :D ) No one here really cares, cause most people bought a GW model at some point. All that I really care about is when people pretend to be interested and turn around acting like a jackass...:skull:

Hellfury
10-05-2007, 02:29
In school, I didnt play, but I did collect and paint. I played AD&D so I had just as bad if not worse stigma attached.

Regardless, I dont announce my hobbies in social gatherings unless asked, and even then, I am reserved about it. It takes too long to explain to the person who is trying to find common ground in mundane activities. Most people just want to hear that you watch football fanatically or like to gamble when making idle conversation.

Most people I have found simply dont know how to repond when you tell them that you game. Sometimes when I am feeling impish, I like to tell people that I like to paint dollies and fight with them, just to see a reaction...

People in their thirties seem to think that you must conform to their standards of leisure time with such things as hunting, shopping, golf, barhopping, etc which seem mundane in comparison to wargaming.

Indeed it is those same people who cannot be othered with extraordinary activities out side of the mundane. Though, cliff diving does make wargaming mundane in comparison as well... ;)

Darkane
10-05-2007, 02:35
Most people I've run by just don't seem to care...its a nerdy pursuit thats definitely a given. But there are lots of dorky things out there people are into nowadays so it doesn't even matter. Back when i was still dating around the girls were never scared away by my mini's I had proudly displayed (NOT in the bedroom of course lol) in fact I've found that more often, they were impressed by what i was into. I play regularly against family who also play the game and my girlfriend dabbles in it now and then as well. Friends are the same way, they either are gamers themselves or think its just a fun wierd hobby. And thats what it is...its fun, its dorky, and thats cool with me and everyone else. I don't take it seriously, even when the rare occasional person things of it in a bad light, heck even I myself poke a little fun at the geekiness involved with painting, collecting and playing with these little guys.

Another poster mentioned a scene in the movie 40 year old virgin and I just so happen to love that brief little scene! I laughed out loud when I saw it as did my friends who's heads all naturally turned to me. :D So in my opinion its much better to be confident, open and embracing the geekiness about being into this hobby than trying to hide it for the fear of what other folks might think of you.

nightgant98c
10-05-2007, 02:40
I don't make an issue of it, but i'm not ashamed of it. If the subject comes up, I tell them it's basically a board game, but a little more complicated. I've been gaming (rpg's, mini games, ccg's and whatever else I can get my hands on) since I was 11 (I'm 30 now). I've never really had a problem, unless you count the brief period when I first started playing D&D and my mom thought it was satanic, but we showed her the game and she changed her mind. She decided she was glad we were home and not out doing drugs. I agree with those who said to not let it rule your life. If all you ever talk about is your little plastc soldiers, even your gaming friends might have a problem with it.

erickhouse1
10-05-2007, 02:41
I'm 16 and I thought there was no one else like me. Yeah I do hide it but thats mostly due to the fact that i know no one who plays after i moved. It would be nice to once in a while be able to talk about my latest conversion. my close friends know but thats about it. I play sports and hang out with friends every weekend. and do the normal party thing every once in a while

Vaktathi
10-05-2007, 02:44
Once you are out of high school , I've found most people don't care, I've played with people here on my college campus and with friends back home. People find it hard to rag on Warhammer when they spend $400 on basketball equipment they use once a year, or you bring up their extensive collection of $25 apiece "Girls gone Wild" tapes that get about 90 seconds of viewing time. At work I've found that most people have some sort of wierd hobby, my boss does the whole "gps scavenger hunt thing" and another person is a "Days of our Lives" superfan, and the other student tech's are WoW fanatics. most people are into at least one thing other people find odd, so I don't worry too much about it.

chaos0xomega
10-05-2007, 02:51
I think we all got to realize something. Nerds and geeks rule the world. It's the kids that don't 'fit in' and are considered 'wierd'(no not the, 'I wear nothing but black and have long unkempt greasy hair, spend all my time watching anime and eating Sushi with chopsticks because I think I know stuff about Japan/think I'm japanese and don't realize thats considered a faux pas' type) that get the best jobs and succeed the most. You may be picked on, but thats cuz the guys that do it know they aren't going to succeed quite as well as you are in the future.

Its good to be a nerd.

Rogue 7
10-05-2007, 02:54
This thread's turned into more of a "what's your social standing" thread than a GW thread, so here's mine. I'm a senior in high school. I'm a nerd and damn proud of it. However, I shower every day, wear deodorant, and am fully able to carry on a conversation with females. Including the hot females. I'm single, but that's another story. I've never really had a problem with anyone ragging on me for playing the hobby, though I have had people in my gaming circle rag on me for playing GW- they don't really like it outside of Blood Bowl or Space Hulk, which I find odd. My circle of friends are twofold. One is my group of friends from my karate dojo, while the other is my group of perpetually single, strait-laced guys. I fit in well. We aren't hated at all, but we're just different. Part of the problem was that I was socially re**rded until a couple years ago, so that hindered my movement in social circles. What I tend to take from that is- be yourself and anybody worth a **** will respect you for it, if not like you.

Angelwing
10-05-2007, 03:42
I dont hide the fact, nor do I advertise it. If anyone asks, I tell them I 'play tabletop wargames' as well as my other pursuits. if people inquire further, i say its a bunch of people with a few beers and snacks having a chat and a laugh whilst playing a sort of boardgame.
I haven't had anyone come up to me and insult me about it, but you sometimes feel that people think its a bit odd.
honestly, the best way to go about it is not to give a monkeys about anyones negative opinions, and associate with people who do like it, or dont mind what you do for a hobby.

Gandhi
10-05-2007, 03:58
I've never had a problem with gaming OR playing D&D, even in highschool.
When friends would come over and see some unpainted minis, or the monster manual laying around my place they would either compliment my paint job, or look at all the kick ass art in the D&D books =P
Once, while living in Prince George, a freidn of mine went to pick up 2 girls that lived just down the street from us for some late night disco bowling and I killed time by painting, when they got to our place I was still paiting and the girls thought it was cool, strange sure, but they were still interested in my art skillz (I'll admit that I quickly changed the subject and got them to look at my sketch book instead though).

All in all, I'd say that as long as you act normal people will see what you are doing as just that. Don't freak out, don't be a tool, just do your thing and be calm ^___-


:::::EDIT:::::
Also, I should mention that my g/f knows that I plays and supports it. I think she's the only one who teases me about it though, even if only jokingly =P

...Or maybe I just lucked out and found the only girl who idolizes her DS more than her Cellphone and wants fuzzy D20s for her first car =P

AngryAngel
10-05-2007, 06:04
I really don't worry about it. Most people, including gf thinks its pretty cool I hang out with. Most who doubted its coolness, have since played, and gotten into the hobby themselves.

Don't waste your life being ashamed of what you enjoy, if its not hurting anyone or anything, don't worry about it.

In this life we spend far too much time thinking on what other people view us as. No one is considerd cool to everyone its all about feel cool to yourself.

For this, I don't go around and just tell people all about my life. If they ask however, I tell um what I do and have taken enjoyment from. You'd be surprised about the levels geeks themselves judge each other on.

I guess this is all a bit long winded. Let me close just saying be yourself, no apologies, and hiding what makes you who you are. The truth will set you free and only be accepting yourself and all you are, do you really find peace in this world or the next.

Gandhi
10-05-2007, 06:22
Don't waste your life being ashamed of what you enjoy, if its not hurting anyone or anything, don't worry about it.

In this life we spend far too much time thinking on what other people view us as.

Just thought I'd quote that for being well said and truthful.

AngryAngel
10-05-2007, 07:40
Thank ya man, very nice of ya. I do try and give helpfull advice most of the time. Though its nice when its noted of course. I just hope it helps people who read it.

alex03
10-05-2007, 07:54
I think the hardest part is trying to explain the hobby (miniatures wargaming) to someone who has had no exposure to it. The concept of playing a game with lots of little figures against an oppenent by rolling dice to determine outcomes seems odd to most people. Most can understand the building and even painting part, thanks to exposure to plastic car kits, trainsets, ect. Its the actual game playing that gets to some. The problem is that its not a typical one sentence answere, like "I play chess" or "I work on my sports car" You say "I wargame", and they always ask "whats that?" Then you have to delve into exactly what wargaming is, which generaly takes time to explain fully, even at its most basic level.

Im 31. Other than my gaming friends most of the adults I know have three hobbies. Drinking. TV/Movies. Raising Children.

I generally don't go out of my way to tell people what I do with my spare time. Its generally known where I work that Im in a foosball league, so most figure thats pretty much all that I do. Even with foosball league I get a lot of "they play foosball in bar league? Is that possible?" Most only know of darts and pool. Those are the "cool" leagues. Like wargaming, if its not mainstream its generally unkown.

I've told some who's questions about gaming have delved deeper. Some think its cool. Some think its weird. Some think it sounds like way too much work. Some think it sounds childish.

Like others have stated Im not ashamed of what my hobbies are. Let them think what they want. If they like or respect you something as simple as your hobby isn't going to change their view of you. If it does than those kinds of people are the ones you don't want to associate with anyway, right?

Coasty
10-05-2007, 08:05
GW is cool. Everyone should be taught this. When I went to get sponsorship for my airline pilot's licence we had a sort of 'stand up and tell us about yourself' bit. The first guy stood up and talked about himself, saying sheepishly 'I collect and paint models and figures'. As we went round the table, it turned out that everyone there bar two were modellers or gamers. Pilots have a certain coolness level by default (even the ones who are otherwise complete, what's the word? Dweebs?), so wargaming must therefor be cool.

Gaebriel
10-05-2007, 09:43
I'm 34 and never hid my hobbies (boardgaming, roleplaying, wargaming). Most people around me do the same thing anyway, and at least boardgaming is a pretty acceptable standard with most people of academic grade.

Leaves at work, where I don't advertise it, but also don't hide it when asked about my pastimes. My direct office neighbour thinks it's cute, because her sons play Warhammer as well. Our Secretary just dislikes the idea of the 'war' in 'wargame', and another colleague begged to get a demo-game once I mentioned it.

Back in school (around the dawn of time ;) ), I had a rough time because everyone laughed about my roleplaying hobby - though it was only part of general underdog bashing - it was not that easy, but I live...

Horus0001
10-05-2007, 10:04
Its all about phychology tbh, I mentioned it a few times in passing when people asked what i was up to, but didnt do the whole shy mumble thing i see a lot of people in the hobby do, which opens avenues for critasism.

I did however get a bit of haggling at first, till they saw a painted model ;)

Bombot
10-05-2007, 10:56
generally 95% of the population are stupid ,retarded numpties who believe that soap operas are real and live their lives based on what a celeb has told them to do in the latest copy of hello magazine

Urrrgh, this is the attitude that gives us geeks a bad name.

I'm not about to go telling anyone and everyone who doesn't care to listen that I play with toy soldiers, but I don't deny it either. No-one really seems to care.

But if you don't want people to go around belittling you for your hobbies, then ffs don't do it to others yourself.

Jedi152
10-05-2007, 11:06
Exactly - it's that kind of mentality that is the reason nerds are scorned.

I'm pretty much the same as most really - i don't broadcast it, but don't deny it. Some of my friends know, and they don't really care.

Warboss Snazgrod
10-05-2007, 11:20
Whilst i'm not ashamed of my hoobies i do tend not to bring them up very often unless i know the person/people i'm talking to are into it as well. However, wargaming in all its forms is a huge part of who i am and i will gladly share it with everyone. The few times i have been ragged about it, i have always just pointed out everyones different, and its they who have the problem, not me.

wingedserpant
10-05-2007, 11:59
That's because the rest of the world is just jealous we created the ultimate hybrid sport.

American football is a british sport with the name taken from another british sport.

Cpt_NinjaPants
10-05-2007, 12:50
Be proud Brother! I am proud, if someone gives you a funny face, screw them!
I am probably the biggest geek on this website..

KITS AND BITS
10-05-2007, 14:10
Urrrgh, this is the attitude that gives us geeks a bad name.

I'm not about to go telling anyone and everyone who doesn't care to listen that I play with toy soldiers, but I don't deny it either. No-one really seems to care.

But if you don't want people to go around belittling you for your hobbies, then ffs don't do it to others yourself.


hmmm a bit of a sweeping generalisation i feel , not all of us are geeks and my attitude didnt give you a bad name ,that was your parents :D .

no one was asking you to climb the nearest tall building and shout your love of all things GW , the person who started the thread was looking for advice and encouragement about getting a rough time from the usual thug bully croud that our world is plauged with :wtf: .

and most of all , if i dont belittle other peoples hobbies , will people really stop belittling my hobby ? will they really stop ?, do you honestly believe that "toy soilder" loving kids all over the world wont get teased ,punched,picked on and laughed at ?

so what your saying is that these "geeks " only have themselves to blame ? :cries:

Llew
10-05-2007, 14:26
I'm 38 and have been playing for years. I don't go out of my way to advertise it, but I also don't dodge it when people bring it up. A lot of times, you can compare it to a computer game and people realize it's not really that different. Games are games.

Bombot
10-05-2007, 14:38
so what your saying is that these "geeks " only have themselves to blame ? :cries:

Nah, some can't help it that they get a load of crap of idiots, especially in school.

But if you really go around thinking 95% of the population are retarded, the grief you get ain't all the toy soldiers' fault.

Snapchuck
10-05-2007, 14:41
At my high school we had compulsory sports every Wednesday afternoon, where you either trained in your team if you played for the school or you just trained in something. My friend was really into space crusade so he tried to get it recognized as a legit sport at our school.

The best part is he got it! (he compared it to chess). So for about 6 months every Wednesday afternoon while others trained in rugby, tennis, rowing etc about 4 of us would sit down and "train" in space crusade. Our mates called it "G I Joes", but it was worth it.

Griffin
10-05-2007, 15:36
Nah, some can't help it that they get a load of crap of idiots, especially in school.

But if you really go around thinking 95% of the population are retarded, the grief you get ain't all the toy soldiers' fault.

This is a Generalization I believe in. I'm not talking of school, or jocks or geeks. I work in the IT industry (specifically supplying all the IT stores in the province). When you get the following questions from people who are supposed to help and educate your average man on the street your confidance in the human race starts to erode. Example.

"Is my Network cable hot-swappable ?"
"Do you guys sell cable for wireless networks ?"
"My Pc doesn't want to switch on even though the power is off!, you sold us junk!"

When confronted by these questions and many more, I can assure you that they make up more than 50% of the population, hell more than 80%. I deal with thousands of different people from all over and this is the norm not the exception - I have allmost given up trying to help people.

Bombot
10-05-2007, 15:51
Uh, Griffin, I think you've got yourself a self-selecting sample there.

Bookwrak
10-05-2007, 16:29
When I have people over, I make sure the work area is cleaned up, but there's always a scattering of works in progress around my computer. When someone asks, 'Hey, what's that?" the exchange usually goes like this:
"Oh, I play a sci-fi wargame. You build and paint the models yourself."
"Nice paint job."
"Thanks. Can I get you something to drink?"

And that's that. No pain, no agonizing about the discovery of my toy soldiers.

Vedar
10-05-2007, 18:09
I'm 32 and only got exposed to warhammer when I was 19 and saw some people playing while I was in the Air Force. Since them I have been responsible for getting about 5 people into the game though I think only one or two still play. It has always been a social thing to do for fun. We off and on again play 40K and D&D. I do computer support for a living so being a bit of a nerd is not a streach.
My last ex-girlfriend was a bit more "high class" and I would just tell her I was going to "game night" with my friends" I did keep it a bit on the down low as I was 99.9% sure she would think it lame. My current girlfriend is much more casual and my friends wanted to start up some D&D games (They all have kids and she has a kid) so I think she went for the social-ness but ended up playing some D&D and having fun. I told her about the 40K and she saw some minis and I think she is cool with it.
We tried to get another one of our friends into 40K and his wife painted the tyranids from the starter. I mostly play to have a good time with friends.

sir.spamalot
10-05-2007, 19:08
Freind: Ooooh what are those things?
Me: Oh just my ork army, and that over there is my fully painted unit of german Grenadiers....

Freind two weeks later: OK, so I picked up the codex and two core sets, What colour scheme would look good on these models.....


I would say my community and my friends are pretty accepting about the hobby:)
Everyone at my old school(I'm homeschooled now) new that if some one came to school dressed as an 18th century english man they knew it was me. I guess thats what everyone really liked about me(other then the fact that I am a nice guy;)) People practically venerated the coolness and in depth amount of this hobby, if I brought a model in, after school when I was walking out the door(shaking hands as was the custom[my school has 100 kids in it we get to know everyone]) One of my teachers would comment on my outfit or critique my miniatures.

I think it really matters the crowd your hanging out with, If you hang out with mean jocks that like burning things, it may not be the best idea to indroduce yourself as a hobbyist.....


just my own story.

cheers

Xenocidal Maniac
11-05-2007, 02:58
Heh. I think this whole "nerds rule the world and jocks end up bagging your groceries" thing is hilarious. Because it's so not true.

Nerdy doesn't necessarily mean smart. It means socially inept. Socially inept people, as a rule, don't make as many connections. And anyone who makes money knows it's not what you know, it's who you know. The more connected you are, the more succesful you will be. Period.

All the guys in my office making millions of dollars a year (literally) are the stupidest frat boy jocks you'd ever want to meet. They've got nice houses, nice cars, beautiful girlfriends.

Almost all the nerds I know are stuck making $30k a year in boring dead-end jobs. If they aren't living at home with mom and playing video games all day. And some nerds are amongst the dumbest, most irritating people I've ever met.

I guess my point is; this whole "fight the good fight because in the end the nerds win" thing is just wrong. I don't mean you have to sell out, but, try to conform just a little bit. There's room for nerdy hobbies in a well-rounded social life. There's room for a well-rounded social life amongst your nerdy hobbies. Make 'em both work.

Hollopoint
11-05-2007, 03:18
I say as long as your happy do whatever the hell you want. As long as you aren't afecting other people then do as you please. I don't go out of my way to bring up gaming just as I don't go out of my way to talk about other activites I do. If the subject is raised I tend to to say something along the lines of - "You know the game Risk? Well it's just a very complicated and detailed version of that."

Arch-Traitor Horus
11-05-2007, 06:39
This hobby would be so much easier if you could walk into a discrete little shop and come out with a box in a brown paper bag. If anyone you know asks what youve got just shout porn and run off.


I have to agree with this comment most of my GW products are brought from the net & local stockist as it is More discreet.:D

Also on the fact of the whole People taunting you about your hobby's Stand up for yourself, Most bullys run when a punch or kick is thrown at them.;)

Coasty
11-05-2007, 07:25
Nah, some can't help it that they get a load of crap of idiots, especially in school.

But if you really go around thinking 95% of the population are retarded, the grief you get ain't all the toy soldiers' fault.

Unfortunately, he's right: the vast majority of our species are operating at a level only a little above cattle. Why do you think advertising works?
It is also true that being overtly 'nerdy' is not a good thing. In some ways I am a geek (knowing about Star Wars is cool; knowing the specs for the ships is geeky) but I am most certainly not a nerd! I have a girlfriend and everything! :D

snurl
11-05-2007, 07:55
Dont worry too much about people at your school, because after graduation you will never see 90 +% of them again.
Do take a lesson from it all, that is that some people carry the way they acted in school into the workplace too, and being how wargaming is "different" from what they percieve to be normal, they will make sport of it at your expense. So, if that bothers you, don't mention gaming.
Some people will make sport of something just to see if they get a reaction. If you keep your cool, they will quickly tire of it and find someone else to annoy.

Personally, my family thinks the figures are pretty cool, but most of them have never actually seen a game being played. My wife doesn't mind the games, as long as they are kept quiet after midnight. And cleaned up after.

And another thing, when introducing someone new to WHFB, show them a brettonian knight or something similar that they can recognise. Don't go straight for the Slannesh troops or demons. It can make a world of difference.

proximity
11-05-2007, 09:19
No matter how old you are, people will always judge you for how you look and what you do, not who you are.
The difference is, as you get older, you'll care less and less what other people think of you.

In saying that, it got out at work that I paint/play with toy soldiers, a couple of rugbyheads and girls tried to mock me for it - but the next week I sold one of my painted armies for a couple of thousand dollars - made a point of withdrawing it in cash in order to move it to another account later that day instead of internet transfer/DC'ing it. Made a point of dropping my wallet at work, noone mentions my toy soldiers anymore :)

(They mocked me about playing wow too, but I managed to walk with 3k for my character from that - turns out as much as people judge you for what you do, they respect money above all else :P!)

Eniac
11-05-2007, 10:07
When I was a wee little fatball back at school everyone knew me and my "crew" as the "Warhammer geeks", this as back between 95 and 2000

nobody really cared and we certainly didn't get beat on for it. We got laughed at by some of the cro-magnons but that was about it.

These days, me and my mates don't really come into contact with that many poeple at all so its not really a problem with many people. We don get picked on because we are adults and because we are bigger and generally stronger (powerflifters) than a lot of our other mates they don't even jest about it :p

My old dear thinks of my wargaming like some sort of heroine addiction. THey will tolerate it but want me to get help lol :D


Everyone at my school (except me and the club) think warhammer is, well, gay.

ahem :rolleyes: you may not think wh is rubbish (obvisoulsy) but are these your words? IT is offensive to use the word gay to describe something crap.


I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but it is "gay".
You too!
Sorry to be the raving queen here but it really ticks me off.

Darloc
11-05-2007, 11:39
Funny, reading this it seems playing wargames for some of us is a sort of disease, you know you are not "normal". How different is it from the guy who go shooting deer, who spend all his money on his shiny car or in beers?
When I was in High school, Magic was a big thing, almost every one I knew was playing. After a year or so it faded out and we started warhammer. Some people were laughing at us but we could care less. I had some girlfriends at the time (they tended to change from months to months ^^) and they look at it in the same way as video games, a boy thing. My fiance is looking at it (10 years later, oh boy!) in the exact same way.
At work they know, guess what I got for my birthday last year? yeah models (awsome!). They pretty cool with it, here (uk) almost everyone knows about GW and they won't pick on you for that. They told me it was geeky and so what? Girl at my work always talk about make up or dyes, for me that's weird so everyone gots it own center of interest!
I would advice people who hide to stop doing that, I mean what is the pb? Yes it toys soldier, so what? Does it make you a weirdo, well I don't think so. Just don't overdo it, if people ask say yes, that's it. If they want to know more they will ask. If they try to pick on you, I would ask them what they know about it and explain why you like it.
I know at school it can be difficult, people are stupid and like to pick on the one that are not doing the same thing as they do, well just ignore them.

Coasty
11-05-2007, 12:20
Yes it is the perfect sport for television. People just don't understand the beauty of that.


Only because Americans have to suffer five times as many ad-breaks as everyone else. Presumably that's why they keep stopping the game???

Gaebriel
11-05-2007, 13:40
When I was young, I cared about what others thought about me. When I became middle-aged, I didn't care what others thought about me. When I became old, I realized they weren't thinking about me in the first place.
- D. Vance Jr.

GideonRavenor
11-05-2007, 20:18
When people have a go at me for it, I just talk them down. I can argue better than most of them, and anyone worth knowing doesn't care that I play! If people didn't tease me, I wouldn't have a chance to practice arguing, would I?

I'm hardly the most popular person at school, but I'm by no means the least. It definitely helps that I'm calm and confident around people, unlike some of my friends.

Gandhi
12-05-2007, 01:42
Also on the fact of the whole People taunting you about your hobby's Stand up for yourself, Most bullys run when a punch or kick is thrown at them.;)

Nothing could be farther from the truth. Maybe it's because I went to highschool in a smaller town (less than 200 people where I lived, 8,000ish people where I went to highschool), but if you throw a punch at somebody who's in your face you'd better be ready to finish what you started.

Also, you shouldn't have to resort to violence because you're defending your wargaming hobby... You may as well walk up to Jack Thompson and tell him he's right about everything.



ahem :rolleyes: you may not think wh is rubbish (obvisoulsy) but are these your words? IT is offensive to use the word gay to describe something crap.

I understand where you are coming from on this, but it's not really THAT offensive to the gay community. I have several homosexual friends that describe things or people as being "Gay" or "Fags". It's just a figure of speech =P Plus you let the guy who called half the world "retarded" get away with a blatant insult to the mentally challenged community.


Back on topic.
GideonRavenor, way to use your gift oft he silver tongue ^__^ I find alot of people only think it's weird because they don't fully understand it, but once you point out that most sprots or even Chess are slightly strange when you really think about it they understand.

asmodai_dark86
12-05-2007, 03:07
Well I'm at Uni so...

Back at school I hid it for the most part, although in year nine when i started the club I dont think it really worked out in peoples minds so they generally left me too it. I got the odd 'Ha you paint toy soldiers', to which I happily replied 'Yeh and I'm good at it, what are you good at?'

At college no one asked, so no one got told. Apart from the current missus, who I've spent the last two years painting a model for...

At Uni I get to be a smug git sometimes - I do comission painting, so when I'm in the mood I can earn a small fortune whilst sitting at home in my pjammas and waking up at 3pm while they toil away in the office. Sometimes I tell people directly, other times I tell them I'm an artist and 'generally paint anything I get paid too'. Which is true :D

Eniac
12-05-2007, 06:31
it's not really THAT offensive to the gay community. I have several homosexual friends that describe things or people as being "Gay" or "Fags". It's just a figure of speech =P Plus you let the guy who called half the world "retarded" get away with a blatant insult to the mentally challenged community.


Uh yes it is. I am going to take a wild guess and say your gay friends are of the screamingly camp variety correct? the stereotypical gay image? In which case I am not surprised :rolleyes: damn them. Most regular gay guys you couldn't even tell we are gay and these are the guys that find it offensive. Its a big complaint these days in the community.

Retarded? That word descirbes something slow or in the state of being slowed down does it not? Who said anything about the mentally challenged? I doubt the lads who used the word gay really meant "Gw is happy" :p

The game is afoot
12-05-2007, 06:48
[QUOTE=proximity;1545602] No matter how old you are, people will always judge you for how you look and what you do, not who you are.
The difference is, as you get older, you'll care less and less what other people think of you.[QUOTE=proximity;1545602]

Bingo!
You sir have won the prize.
Age does have a few benefits and one of them is you develop a skin like concrete and if other people want to behave poorly it becomes less of an issue.
If they try to get a rise out of you they soon realise it is a waste of time and effort and they go off to find easier pickings.

PMTN
12-05-2007, 17:10
Meh at school it never really came up, all my gaming stuff is out of the way, no one ever saw me at games events. So i thought who cares, and now im sitting here at 18 getting back into the hobby, while trying to balance trying to go out partying every night and pulling girls. Is there a divide? I don't think so, its my life who cares what other people think and i like having seperate parts in my life.

However, i still haven't tryed to initate any of my mates in a convosation about my latest treeman conversion. But in all honesty if you mix your hobby with the rest of your life, it wont change it will still be your hobby however much people may ribs you for it (mainly price, i can immagine)

Still i fondly remeber a moment when i stumbled back from a night out, fell asleep on my mates couch and the last thought in my mind was a genius armylist for my empire. (too bad i forgot it :( )

Easy E
12-05-2007, 18:18
All of you young ones, gather around close. I'm about to tell you the secret of life. Take what I tell you, internalize it, and live it. You will never have problems ever again.

Fundamental Techniques in Handling People
Don't criticize, condemn or complain.
Give honest and sincere appreciation.
Arouse in the other person an eager want.

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Six ways to make people like you
Become genuinely interested in other people.
Smile.
Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language.
Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.
Talk in terms of the other person's interests.
Make the other person feel important - and do it sincerely.

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Win people to your way of thinking
The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.
Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never say, "You're wrong."
If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.
Begin in a friendly way.
Get the other person saying "yes, yes" immediately.
Let the other person do a great deal of the talking.
Let the other person feel that the idea is his or hers.
Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.
Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.
Appeal to the nobler motives.
Dramatize your ideas.
Throw down a challenge.

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Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing Resentment
A leader's job often includes changing your people's attitudes and behavior. Some suggestions to accomplish this:
Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.
Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
Let the other person save face.
Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement. Be "hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise."
Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.
Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest.

And that's it. Find it all here:
http://www.westegg.com/unmaintained/carnegie/win-friends.html

scarletsquig
12-05-2007, 21:11
Also, keep in mind that there was a scene in The 40-Year-Old Virgin where the protagonist was painting miniatures.
Haha, that's awesome - that quote just made me want to rent that film :D

I'm a uni student - it's not so much a case of having to hide it as much as "all my warhammer stuff is back at my dad's place", and so is my gaming group.

So, I go back for the odd weekend once a month to see him, do some painting and get a few games in.

The 2 "worlds" are completely seperate, and I'm happy with it being like that... I get the feeling most of my uni mates would never let me hear the end of it! :P


Girls, at least in this country, like a guy who is creative. And besides, Chicks Dig Squigs. :D

Indeed! In fact squigs go down really well amongst non-wargamers in general, I used to draw them quite a bit in highschool, and the conversation would generally go:

"What the **** is that?"

"A squig! They are fungus, and 90% teeth. They like to jump around and bite stuff!"

If explained with enough enthusiasm, it's often enough to make someone laugh, even if they're all :wtf: while they're doing it.


So okay loads of people hide their hobby. Put yourself in the position of a (parttime) redshirt.... how would they deal with that when chatting up a girl.
From what I can tell, most of them just say they work in childcare, then talk about their insane kid stories and it goes down pretty well.


For me, I'm 21. Haven't started going to clubs or partying yet, but I'll give it a try sometime.
Don't worry! I'm 20, and still just starting to grasp the basics of all this crazy youngster fun stuff. It's kinda hard to break into at first, but after one Friday night out where you go out with absolutely no-one, and finish up with some hottie down your throat by the end of the night.. you start to want another night like that.. and another. Slow progress is normal for a lot of people, but everyone gets there in the end, or ends up as fat smelly guy with beard stereotype :D

Rogue 7
13-05-2007, 15:02
Heh. I think this whole "nerds rule the world and jocks end up bagging your groceries" thing is hilarious. Because it's so not true.

Nerdy doesn't necessarily mean smart. It means socially inept. Socially inept people, as a rule, don't make as many connections. And anyone who makes money knows it's not what you know, it's who you know. The more connected you are, the more succesful you will be. Period.

All the guys in my office making millions of dollars a year (literally) are the stupidest frat boy jocks you'd ever want to meet. They've got nice houses, nice cars, beautiful girlfriends.

Almost all the nerds I know are stuck making $30k a year in boring dead-end jobs. If they aren't living at home with mom and playing video games all day. And some nerds are amongst the dumbest, most irritating people I've ever met.

I guess my point is; this whole "fight the good fight because in the end the nerds win" thing is just wrong. I don't mean you have to sell out, but, try to conform just a little bit. There's room for nerdy hobbies in a well-rounded social life. There's room for a well-rounded social life amongst your nerdy hobbies. Make 'em both work.

Now, there's an important distinction to be made, and one I try to emphasize- the difference between Geeks and Nerds. This is important.
The way I see it, the two terms are not the same thing. Geeks have no social skills. Geeks are the people you avoid like crazy, just because they're so irritating to be around. They could like all the popular things, wear all the popular clothes, etc, and still nobody would like them because they have no social skills. Admittedly, I was something of a geek myself until a few years ago when I wised up.
Nerds simply like unpopular things, such as, funnily enough, wargaming. That's it. They could be some of the funniest people you know with the most friends in school (hell, our school president was in the Marching Band with me, and on my academic challenge team (quiz bowl, basically)), but because they like things that are unpopular, they are nerds. Nerds also tend to be the ones who are more intelligent, simply because they don't mind studying as much. They could be stupid, but it's less likely, seeing as how the really intelligent, school-focused kids are also lumped into the nerd category.

Admittedly, the two come together in a package fairly regularly. Perhaps a symptom commonly associated with geekiness is disliking the popular things and gravitating towards the unpopular ones. But I know plenty of nerds who aren't geeks (many of my friends) and plenty of geeks who aren't nerds. I also know several who are both.

The whole point is that geeks, because of their lack of social skills will have a harder time getting things- college admissions, because of a lack of skill with interviews, jobs, for the same reason, and girlfriends for obvious reasons. Nerds, largely because of their increased intellect, are more likely to succeed, because they have more advantages and fewer disadvantages.

Sorry for the long post, but I felt the need to clarify.

El Presedente
13-05-2007, 15:54
Actually I see the whole thing the other way around, a 'geek' is someone who, like myself, hasn't really grown up in terms of interests, or their intrests are more specialised, I for example liek wargaming, computer games, comics, sci-fi and films in general.

A nerd, as I see it is someone who specialises in one particular thing and makes it their obsession, so in my eyes if someones room was covered in just anime poseters and stuff, that I would deem nerdy, but my room is coverd with comics, a che guavara poster, a quentin tarrintino poster, a dali poster, and my minatures are up on the shelf, packed alongside loads of dvds and games, that geeky.

Neither I see as being related to social skill, that falls into terms like recluse and socialite (and subcultures such as *ugh* emo). The whole terms descirpe level of intrest over personality in my view.

Sir_Turalyon
13-05-2007, 16:55
My research group is made of mathematicans / theoretical informatics, so each of us is a special case already - having a niche hobby is no nearly enough to make them point fingers at you. Lucky me.

Bombot
13-05-2007, 19:31
Actually I see the whole thing the other way around, a 'geek' is someone who, like myself, hasn't really grown up in terms of interests, or their intrests are more specialised, I for example liek wargaming, computer games, comics, sci-fi and films in general.

A nerd, as I see it is someone who specialises in one particular thing and makes it their obsession, so in my eyes if someones room was covered in just anime poseters and stuff, that I would deem nerdy, but my room is coverd with comics, a che guavara poster, a quentin tarrintino poster, a dali poster, and my minatures are up on the shelf, packed alongside loads of dvds and games, that geeky.

I see it more like that. There's 'geek chic' after all.

Coasty
13-05-2007, 19:43
Yep.

Geek - knows more than is normal (or maybe healthy) about something, usually something not mainstream. Usually of above average intelligence.

Nerd - may be a geek or may not. Can't speak to people, maybe smells funny. Not necessarily smarter than average.

kortholaxthedamned
13-05-2007, 21:14
I make people immediately aware of how seriously I take myself playing it, if they ask me what I did in the weekend, I reply with 'I played with small, overpriced toy soldiers...Warhammer to the common folk'. Another good one is, if they ask me if I collect Warhammer (knowing full well I do, ******) I just tell them I don't, because I don't techhnically, I stopped buying from the company some time ago. I merely play with what i've got.

Morris
13-05-2007, 22:08
At high school etc I was fairly hush hush about it. I mean, people kinda knew, but yeh, it wasn't something I advertised. When I came into University it is kinda more accepted.

Crazy Harborc
13-05-2007, 22:56
Doesn't bother the grandkids. Doesn't bother my same age group friends. I do mention it if talking to newly met people....just in case.

I almost forgot........At my high school class reunions people have asked if I still had my toy soldiers. So far, now newbies have been "reeled/fished in".

KITS AND BITS
13-05-2007, 23:26
i have just done a quick straw poll on the responses , it looks like the people who are very insecure about admitting they play GW games for fear of social exclusion are mostly american .funny really because i sit watching your high school movies about jocks and nerds and cheerleaders and been part of the "in crowd" ,and till now i always thought they were exaggerated for the movies but it seems to be true .

Winimperial
14-05-2007, 02:34
In middle school I don't tell anyone. As of now, Im pretty high up there on the social ladder so if anyone knew that I played with toy soldiers, I'd be ruined. That is if the people actually knew what warhammer was. If I said I played warhammer to someone they'd probally say "What? Is that some kind of form of Hockey?"

El Presedente could not have said it better.

Im just one of those people who hasn't grown out of those old interests. Im a "geek" at heart but on the outside Im a jock. Just another example of how people always judge a book by it's cover.

Rogue 7
14-05-2007, 19:05
Kits- depends on where you go to school, really. In my school, no one really cares. In a sense, I can see it as a web. My group of friends- we're the nerds (as I see them- others have called them geeks. Word choice is all). I'm in the marching band, so I have a lot of friends there. They have friends in the track group, who have friends in the swimming group, who have friends in the "popular" group (Not that these people are the popular ones, but just that they act stereotypically popular and I can't think of a better word). It's more complicated than that, with a lot of people essentially "doubling up" between groups or even tripling, but that's how it tends to work- you have your close circle of friends, and then other friends in different groupings, who have THEIR close circle of friends, and other friends outside their sphere, and so on down the line. I don't associate with very many members of the football team at all, but I don't feel any need to associate myselves with them (Barring the quarterback, who's a really nice guy), nor do they feel the need to put me down. Live and let live prevails. You get the occasional ***hole, but they're easy enough to avoid, and they just are indiscriminate jerks. Of course, I could give a rat's *** about being popular, so my experience may have been a bit different from everyone else'. Middle school was hell, though- everyone was still immature, so there was a definite "in-crowd" that ragged on everyone else. They might still exist, but I don't really know or care if they do.

KITS AND BITS
15-05-2007, 16:47
wow your country is really strange

Coasty
15-05-2007, 17:42
Yep. They keep saying 'COULD care less' when they mean 'COULDN'T care less', too...weird, huh? ;)

I, in a fit of youthful stupidity, opted to go to a state comprehensive instead of the Robert Gordon's (the local public school). The pupils were pretty much divided into the Geeks (moi et al) and the drones and as far as I could tell, none of the latter group really liked each other at all.

And no, they aren't all in McJobs. It's much worse- most of them work 9-5 in offices! Eew!

Sleazy
15-05-2007, 18:38
dont bother me, i make no secret of my geekiness, i joke about it myself, i suppose it all comes down to how comfortable you are with you.

I have a gf and a daughter, i certainly dont look geeky, I've played in rock bands and worked as a dj, I have enough notches on my bedpost so i dont feel like i have to prove anything to anyone.

anyone asks i just say "oh yeah, AND i love video games and sci fi movies, i am UBERGEEK, now get me a beer!"

Hollopoint
15-05-2007, 19:32
I’m very similar to you sleazy in the sense that I embrace the fact that I’m a pretty big geek at heart. At the end of the day Warhammer is just the same as everything else. If you let a certain type of activity consume and define you then it isn’t particularly healthy.

johhny-turbo
19-05-2007, 10:01
I'm the only one at my school that plays warhammer and D&D which everyone else considers nerdy but I admit it and kinda bask in my nerdiness. No one really does much then say "wow that's nerdy".

Also my local GW is in a mall so we get a lot of walk-ins who usually seem to just treat it with a little curiosity but not enough to do more then a sample game which they are kinda forced into to. The manager never seems to think that the guys with four abercromie bags and skintight shirts or Japanese tourists won't really buy anything...

Brother-Hyuuga
19-05-2007, 12:13
Im in the marines. So i drink, work out, and shoot. When someone new sees my minis and asks what those are, I tell them that its a wargame. They usually asked why I would play with toy soldiers when i do it for a living. I laugh and tell them I dont play Imperial Guard, I play Tyranids. They stare at me then back at the bugs for a minute, then we go drinking.
Its been my expierence that differant physical charateristics, quirks, and hobbies are usally the basis for nick names anyway. I usually get called spidey because i rock climb, the irish guy who loves driking is 'Lucky'. The guy from the midwest who constantly sings Tim Mcgraw is 'Country'. Honestly who gives a crap. The differant things people do make meeting them interesting, otherwise life would be boring.

buzzin_yoof
21-05-2007, 02:35
i have just done a quick straw poll on the responses , it looks like the people who are very insecure about admitting they play GW games for fear of social exclusion are mostly american .funny really because i sit watching your high school movies about jocks and nerds and cheerleaders and been part of the "in crowd" ,and till now i always thought they were exaggerated for the movies but it seems to be true .

Can't disagree there, pathetic really.

Lander
21-05-2007, 02:44
Its a hobby and most people I know respect that.

Winimperial
21-05-2007, 04:10
Can't disagree there, pathetic really.
Pathetic yes, but unfortunatly its real a lot of the time. Im not one to ridicule people about their quirks but I know plenty of people who do. If I knew I wouldn't get ridiculed and shunned from the "in-crowd" if I admited I played warhammer then I'd do it.

Reaver83
21-05-2007, 05:58
I find it odd listening to you 'youngsters' (i'm not much older lol) but in my early teens at school there were a lot of people who played, and nobody cared really, i was in the top rugby and football teams and that made sod all impact on social things either.

However i moved area went to a new school where as far as i knew no one played, i went to the local store to play a bit but gradually found it uninteresting - i think a few people knew that i played at school, everyone thought it was geeky but then everyone seemed to have their own eccentricities, and the 'cool people' only associated with themselves. - Turned out in my final year there, there was a group of people that played i happened o walk into the wrong room one afternoon and find them, unfortunately it was too late by then...

Easy E
21-05-2007, 19:13
One thing to remember about wargaming in the States, is that it is a very fringe hobby. 90% of people have never even heard of warhammer. The other 9.5% have heard of it because of the video games. GW shops aren't all over the place on High Street.

Plus, we've got Fundies here that can take a dim view of things like Warhammer, Harry Potter, and RPG's.

Yes, it is a strange country.

Now, I don't hide my GW habit. However, if it comes up I tell people. They say, "Wow, that's geeky" and I say "Yes, I am geek". We then talk about something of mutual interest.

Crazy Harborc
22-05-2007, 03:07
One of the perks of being old and retired......Not too many people I meet react (out loud anyway) in a negative way.

marv335
06-07-2007, 23:37
remember, the geek willl inherit the earth.
Out in the real world, we run the joint, wheras the jocks sell used cars and cry into their beers in bars about how their busted knee in college stopped them winning the superbowl

synapse
11-07-2007, 14:24
i always find it difficult to understand how people have problems and stigmas about geekiness, wargamming, roleplaying etc.

where i live, (malta, a tiny little island that doesnt really matter to anyone else) everyone seems to know about the geek subuture, and its an alternative 'cool' in some ways. many guys from 14 -20 play mtg or a GW game (id say just over 50% of them, while as many as 75% are probably aware of the games)

when i was in secondary school (im 24 now) roughly half of my class played 40k, though i guess if we had to meet up now there would only be about 5 of us.

ive never had any problems with girlfirends but thats probably because the people i hang out with are all sci-fi/fantasy 'geeks' anyway, so they find it as much of a plus as i do that i game or whatnot.

my parents just complain that i waste al my money on it, but deep down i know they understand its a creative thing and better that videogames and whatever

Adept
11-07-2007, 14:38
i always find it difficult to understand how people have problems and stigmas about geekiness, wargamming, roleplaying etc.

It all comes down to people making themselves victims, and the local majority.

If most people in a given area think wargaming is geeky, then someone who war games will know this and attempt to hide the fact from his peers.

This is a mistake, as schoolyard bullies will seize on anything they think you might be ashamed of, and use it against you.

Stella Cadente
11-07-2007, 15:08
around here, if anyone found out, then you get stabbed really.........although around here, you get stabbed for any reason

Templar Ben
11-07-2007, 15:12
Well naturally it is shank or be shanked.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b6/100px-Scruffy_(Futurama).JPG

Panophobia
19-07-2007, 15:47
Heh i never cared about having a stigma. I would crack open a codex when we were supposed to read or something. I didn't care, its the same as any form of entertainment just a different form. i never had problems. But i guess i wasn't some one that would get picked on at all, so maybe some other people didn't have it so easy.

kortholaxthedamned
19-07-2007, 15:57
Personally I don't keep it down, but no one really cares anymore, because i just take any mocking (few and far-between) in my stride. Girls...meh. If they go off me just for having a hobby, they're not worth my time. I got my Dad reading the novels. He's now a big Abnett fan, although he does think the novels use a few too many adjectives.

Zaamel of the Deathwing
21-07-2007, 20:54
heh, i did get a bit of crap over it at school at the start, when it was rumours and then one day we got to make a 5 minute speech in front of the class, and guess what i talked about, it really changed it all as most understood what it was then. (this was 6th grade)

now im starting 1st class in a new school (vehicle technician course =) and dont know whats going to happen but i tend to not say it but not hide it either.

Denthúl
21-07-2007, 21:48
I don't mind what they think of it. Nobody is forcing them to play, so they shouldn't complain. And I don't mind if people find out. I enjoy it, and what they say isn't going to hurt me, or make me stop playing :)

Generally, however, people do seem to think it sad/weird/'gay' and that does get on my nerves sometimes. I'd rather be spending my time (and money) playing Fantasy and 40k than standing on a street corner throwing bricks at people and drinking White Lightning (I hate chavs, so I do...).

Rossco
22-07-2007, 00:15
I've never received any grief over the hobby, when I was at school there were alot of gamers so it was accepted.
When I left school I joined the Air force and I prepared myself for a real pasting over it from other servicemen as thats kind of what they do, but when I arrived at my unit I found that not only did they have a thriving gaming club but that it also had it's own dedicated premises good facilities and was well supported, which was great !
Well I'm 28 now, I've left the service and in my new work place things are just as cool, I am the only wargamer but hey, I don't play in the Subuteo league and alot of the other guys do.
In short I've never suffered any crap, being a gamer has certainly never affected my chances with the ladies and I've made some great friends through it, all in all the hobby has been a positive thing in my life !

Crazy Harborc
23-07-2007, 02:44
Teenage wargamers do have it rougher than adult gamers as far as getting flack/hassled about their playing with toy soldiers.

Adults are more likely to be mentally matured, much more self-assured....have less of a need to belittle others. ALSO, the older we get the more we encourage others to be childlike, play with the toys of their youth....THAT way we can play with our toys......and not get hassled.:D

Inquisitor Feldenhaus
20-08-2007, 19:36
I think its rather funny when most guys at my school play world of warcraft, and yet make fun of me for my hobby. I mean, Warcraft is sitting infront of the computer, clicking, and getting angry, Warhammer has so much more depth, and is alot more healthy, and it can get you somewhere in life. However I am hoping that with the dawn of the new warhammer mmo's, people will start to have more acceptance of the hobby, and start it themselves.

mav1971
21-08-2007, 16:36
To me painting and converting models is relaxing and I have fun playing warhammer. I ask some people what they do for fun and they say" I went out and got drunk". I think my hobby is a little healthier.

kortholaxthedamned
21-08-2007, 20:31
My perceptions on the hobby changed enormously when a guy at my school, not hostile, very chavvy, obnixious, immature, turned round and started enquiring as to what the best 'Eldars' were. I naturally told him to stop taking the ****, and he insisted he wasn't...

Flash forward a month, I turn up at the local gaming club, my first time..and who should I see wearing a full white tracksuit, and pushing a squad of Striking Scorpions across the table...

I gave him a game, smashed him with my Khorne force, then had a really good chat with him about the hobby and the like. Shows how much stereotypes mean, eh?

Kordos
22-08-2007, 01:13
When I was younger my family and non gamer friends tolerated it but thought it was immature/geeky/stupid but then they saw the painted models and fantastic rulebooks and realized its just a normal hobby and kept me out of trouble (sort of)

Crazy Harborc
22-08-2007, 01:47
Gamers come from all walks of life. I've known lawyers, doctors, house painters, factory workers, active duty military, on and on. I do know a few students who a wargamers too. When it comes to WHFB and historical wargamers, there are only a few younger than 21. Do keep in mind, my exposure to gaming at the "official store" is the only GW systems only location I know of in this area these days. The indies are covering "other gaming systems" these days.

RobbyJamal
02-09-2007, 22:45
Well, I'm right there with you. The results would be devastating, but as it is our last year, I don't really care what they're thinking.

Teutonic Knight
02-09-2007, 23:37
LOL yea I dont hide it but the fact im 6' 1"tall and pretty big and Ex special forces helps I mean I can scare the hell out of poeple if I wanted to but all my freinds know and my famaily so no biggy to me.

fizzelopeguss
03-09-2007, 17:50
Who cares what the other kids think, at night the "cool" kids are probably the ones sat in front of the telly watching big brother or stood around street corners drinking bottles of cider. At least you're getting out there and probably meeting new people and having healthy banter with the other gamers.

Be proud of your hobby.