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Ninners
01-06-2007, 12:23
I'm thinking of making a small guard army. I want a heavy weapon platoon in the army but I am confused as to how they are chosen in the army list, do you have to buy a command squad?

Also, if I can't choose Heavy Weapon Platoons due to doctrines does that mean I can't heavy weapons in other sqauds?

Thanks

Jokre
01-06-2007, 12:35
You choose if you want to use the doctrine system. If you want access to the special stuff then yo have to pay for other units. It's a way of specialising your army. If yo just use normal dex rules than you can take anything.

Note the abive might be crap. I don't have the dex myself so I'm not entirey sure. As to HWP i think they are a HS choice. But if you take them with a command squad they function as a separate unit.

Hope this helps

MorningLightMountain
01-06-2007, 12:46
yes you need a command squad in the platoon just the same as the infantry platoons. But the command squad can have a heavy weapon team in too so it's not so bad. Helps with yout target priority checks too. 1 Heavy Weapon Platoon (which includes the command squad and however many heavy weapon squads) is 1 HS choice.

if you're going with doctrines, you have to use a doctrine point to be able to take certain unit types. You can take heavy weapons in any squad that allows it (troops) without using a doctrine point

Jokre
01-06-2007, 13:04
As a bit of advice I'd say take them with your command platoon (HQ). Then you can deploy them last. So you know where your enemy's tanks and stuff are, and can deploy accordingly.

xibo
01-06-2007, 13:55
As a bit of advice I'd say take them with your command platoon (HQ). Then you can deploy them last. So you know where your enemy's tanks and stuff are, and can deploy accordingly.

Or take light infantry for +1 doctrine point and +10 frags per squad...

Latro_
01-06-2007, 14:19
If its a small army, just use the heavy weapon units you can taken as support for the HQ command platoon.

Lord Malek The Red Knight
01-06-2007, 14:20
I'm thinking of making a small guard army. I want a heavy weapon platoon in the army but I am confused as to how they are chosen in the army list, do you have to buy a command squad?
you sure you want a Heavy Weapon platoon? i find the 0-5 Support Squads bought as part of the Command Platoon to be enough, personally.
(then again, i use up my Heavy Slots on tanks...).

if they arent enough for you (i'd be suprised though, as you say you only want a small army), the rules for the Heavy Weapon Platoon are on p48 of the codex. :)



Also, if I can't choose Heavy Weapon Platoons due to doctrines does that mean I can't heavy weapons in other sqauds?
no no, not at all!

when the Restricted Troops lists "Heavy Weapon platoons", thats exactly what it means - the unit on p48. not the heavy weapon teams in your other units, or even the heavy weapon squads bought as part of the command platoon.

personally, i see it as a bit overkill, myself: i get all the heavy weapons i want in my Command Platoon and Infantry Platoon (plus tanks :p). i suppose its there for people who dont want tanks for their Heavy slots, or who want more than just heavy weapons in their Command Platoon.

hope that helps :)

~ Tim

Ninners
01-06-2007, 14:22
OK thanks everyone, that was a big help. In reply to the comments of too many heavy weapons, how can you have too many heavy bolters?! :evilgrin:

WLBjork
01-06-2007, 15:14
Easy - when you're fighting Armoured Company with lots and lots and lots of Leman Russ Tanks :evilgrin:

That's where the flexible missile launcher is your friend ;)

boogle
01-06-2007, 15:39
Don't Forget though you can also have 1-3 Sabre Defence Platforms as part of a Heavy Weapons Platoon too

Ardathair
02-06-2007, 02:12
I run an all infantry and Sentinel drop troop army.

Heavy Weapon Platoons are the only Infantry from Heavy Support.

Special Weapons Squads count towards the five squads in the Command Platoon. If you are looking at SWS, an HWP can be useful.

When Dropping my Command Squad and Special Weapons Squads, the rest of the Command Platoon must drop as well. Deep strikeing HWS are a waste, They die before they can shoot, or they have no line of sight and are doing nothing.

HWP is my first deployment, so the Macharian Cross is very useful for redeployment.

More traditional IG armies do not need HWP, but I have found them useful with some of the more interesting formations.

Col. Dash
02-06-2007, 04:07
HAHA WLBjork! I had someone say something similar to me once when I deployed the Hvy Bolter team in my hvy weapons platoon right before playing an AC. He said something to the effect that I wouldnt be needing them against him and he hadnt yet told me what he was playing. I hadnt told him I was playing a drop army and my hvy weapons platoon always starts on the table. I ended the game destroying his last lemon russ from behind with the heavy bolter team as his battle line disintegrated by my teams landing all over the place. I lost more troops to catastrophic vehicle explosions than I did his fire.
On that note, I find Hvy Weapons platoons to be highly useful in my drop army list. Them and my air traffic control sentinel always start on the board. Gives a strong firebase and something for the enemy to get close to so I can get rear shots on vehicles. I use one las cannon squad, one missile squad, and one heavy bolter squad plus a missile launcher in the command squad.

Lord Cook
02-06-2007, 08:28
Special Weapons Squads count towards the five squads in the Command Platoon. If you are looking at SWS, an HWP can be useful.

When Dropping my Command Squad and Special Weapons Squads, the rest of the Command Platoon must drop as well. Deep strikeing HWS are a waste, They die before they can shoot, or they have no line of sight and are doing nothing.

Good point. Too many people forget you cannot simply deploy some parts of the command platoon and deep strike others. However, I was under the impression that the squads can come on as reserves however they like, so if the SWS deep strike in, the normal (e.g missile) squads can walk on by foot, although they will be arriving at the same time as per reserves. Makes no difference to my armies, but a lot of IG players like to DS, so it'd be handy to know.


my air traffic control sentinel

Let me guess - improved comms?