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selfconstrukt
13-06-2007, 04:28
I was browsing through Deviant Art today; if you have not been there check it out, its a great site.

Anyway I was putting random words into the search engine and I found these:

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/56432525/?qo=29&q=inquisitor&qh=boost%3Apopular+age_sigma%3A24h+age_scale%3A5

Looking at some of the other models by MechanicalHorizon it looks like he did the Demiurge and Rogue Trader ships as well.

Anyone know if these are going to be released? They are so cool! The las-sniper rifle is my favorite, it even looks like there is a bi-pod on the extra sprue.

Charax
13-06-2007, 08:38
Ah yes, the infamous Lasweapon booster pack - It was due for release ages ago, and then was quietly dropped (odd, that - considering Lasweapons are a HELL of a lot more common than Bolt, Force or Melta weapons)

Ancientsociety
13-06-2007, 14:36
Wow, excellent find! Shouldn't be to hard to replicate these with rod. plasticard, and GS

Catferret
13-06-2007, 15:21
Those Lasweapons look really nice. Yet another example of Specialist Games shafting it's players by not releasing really cool stuff.

selfconstrukt
15-06-2007, 05:23
Grrr. I emailed him and asked him if he could cast me up some, but he said he couldn't since they have not been released by GW and that would also get him fired. I made a bad joke though- I said he probably will get fired anyway as part of the redundancies, and it wouldn't matter so he should do it for me anyway!

How would GW ever know? Sometimes honest people annoy me!

Brimstone
15-06-2007, 06:38
How would GW ever know? Sometimes honest people annoy me!

Well discussing it on a website visited by a lot of GW staffers will not help. ;)

Sarison
15-06-2007, 18:32
man, it would be really cool if someone made parts for guns, like barrel, top piece (sight, handle, whatever you wanted up there) trigger group, stock, and ammo magazine, and that way you could just stick the parts together and make your own weapons. it would be really great for Inquisitor, cuz the parts wouldnt be so tiny that they would hard to glue together.

inq.serge
16-06-2007, 18:25
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH, 6-Barrels! [Drool]

Kegluneq
17-06-2007, 23:27
I'm not actually that impressed, to be honest. True, they're nice models, but none of them look like actual 40k weapons, and some look a bit ridiculous - like fantasy weapons from other genres with some purity seals stuck on. (Why would laspistols need a stock? What the hell is up with the lasgun in the bottom right, and the multilaser(?) in the bottom left?)

Sarison
18-06-2007, 04:55
i'd think that a lot of the weapons would be different if they were made by different people and on different planets. i mean, look at the significant variation of firearms on Terra in 0234007M03 and you will see that none of them have any standardized pattern.

by the way, weapons have stocks increase weapon stability and accuracy, and yes, they do build/add them on to pistols.

Kegluneq
18-06-2007, 06:52
My point is, the variations look ungainly or nonfunctional, and don't look any better than the standard lasgun model (I do like the top left one though).

I know there is precedent for pistol stocks, but a laspistol already has zero recoil and will hit whatever it is pointed at.

Ancientsociety
18-06-2007, 13:37
My point is, the variations look ungainly or nonfunctional, and don't look any better than the standard lasgun model (I do like the top left one though).

I know there is precedent for pistol stocks, but a laspistol already has zero recoil and will hit whatever it is pointed at.

Well, this is INQ, not 40K, so it makes sense to have more than 2 variations of the Lasrifle (Cadian & Catachan). There are a lot of weapons in the armoury that have no precedent in 40K (DB-shotgun, Thermal Lance, Plasma Blaster...).

Not everything has to be exactly how 1 designer imagines it to look. That's the beauty of INQ. I'd say these Lasweapons are extremely well-done and fit with established design principles.

And, the laspistol has a stock, because it makes it easier to aim (regardless of whether there's recoil or not).

Kegluneq
18-06-2007, 15:02
I have a problem with the 'well done' description as well to be honest - the lines are unbalanced, the Aquila is extremely crude, the angled powercell has no precedent that I'm aware of and that multilaser is utterly atrocious. :/ None of them seem to fit the range of lasweapons available in Inquisitor either, with nothing to distinguish a rapid fire model from a variable power setting model. (There's also no lascarbine, which is a bit annoying from a personal perspective. :/)

I do think both laspistols are good designs though, although I would lose the stock still.

Ancientsociety
18-06-2007, 16:45
I have a problem with the 'well done' description as well to be honest - the lines are unbalanced,

Example? The "lines" look fine to me.


the Aquila is extremely crude

I'm sure it's difficult for anyone to sculpt the entire, 100% detailed Aquila in ~2mm.


the angled powercell has no precedent that I'm aware of

That doesn't necessarily make it non-canon though


and that multilaser is utterly atrocious.

What's wrong with it? It's vaguely reminiscient of the old Sentinel Multilaser, which was much more detailed and realistic than the new model (one big nozzle with 4 connected and undetailed barrels)


None of them seem to fit the range of lasweapons available in Inquisitor either, with nothing to distinguish a rapid fire model from a variable power setting model. (There's also no lascarbine, which is a bit annoying from a personal perspective. :/)

Well, the two lasweapons in the second row actually ARE lascarbines (since they are shorter, lack a long barrel, and have telescoping stocks).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbine

Also, the Lascarbine on the left has a dial/switch, as does the lascannon. Also, there are no pics of the other side, so there may be swtiches there, as well.



I do think both laspistols are good designs though, although I would lose the stock still.

Which is why they're separate bits.

Kegluneq
18-06-2007, 23:35
Example? The "lines" look fine to me.
The left end of the upper part of the upper left lasgun is out of line - possibly it was knocked or just miscast.

The sight rail on the next one down looks out of line, too far out of the parallel. Good if your intended target is 12 feet away, I suppose.
The multilaser is far too small and ungainly, and I can't see any way of supporting it with the offhand (presumably that's what the stands are for). If you follow the line of the top barrel, the boxy part of the gun looks to be set at a slight angle, although that seems to be a common casting issue when making guns - what I'm assuming is a lascannon on the bottom right (ugh) has the same problem.

Well, the two lasweapons in the second row actually ARE lascarbines (since they are shorter, lack a long barrel, and have telescoping stocks).
Neither of which have the bullpup powercell arrangement that the Elysian carbine uses, which is what I had in mind. The first doesn't appear to even have a powercell, or any kind of power feed at all.

So, meh. For fanmade pieces they are quite nice, but they'd be a very poor substitute for a proper lasweapons sprue. :/

selfconstrukt
19-06-2007, 02:32
So, meh. For fanmade pieces they are quite nice, but they'd be a very poor substitute for a proper lasweapons sprue. :/

Those aren't "fanmade" weapons. He sculpts for GW and those were made for Inquisitor. They just have not been released yet.

No one can sculpt perfectly, I am sure he had a brief to work to when GW gave him the job and it probably detailed what they wanted.

You seem to have a lot of negative criticisms, speaking as an artist myself, if you think you can do better than do it and stop bashing someone else's work when they obviously have way more talent than you.

Kegluneq
19-06-2007, 07:40
I never argued that I could do a better job; only that this work is inferior to other models in the Inquisitor range. I think some of them are wholly inadequate for what they're supposed to be, and I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they didn't get made is because they failed quality control. I'm now actually saddened that no better work is likely to be forthcoming now. :(

Ancientsociety
19-06-2007, 13:45
I never argued that I could do a better job; only that this work is inferior to other models in the Inquisitor range. I think some of them are wholly inadequate for what they're supposed to be, and I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they didn't get made is because they failed quality control. I'm now actually saddened that no better work is likely to be forthcoming now. :(

QC @ GW!? :D You're kidding right? There's no such thing....

Actually these never got released because they were supposed to come out right around the time half the range was made redundant. A little over 25% of the models that were released went OOP and many of the upcoming models never really made it past the design studio.

I agree with selfconstrukt though. You do an awful lot of criticizing for a non-designer. I'm not sure where you get the "wholly inadequate for INQ" idea - there have been and still are some models that are nowhere near perfect in the range. Off the top of my head, the Repentia was totally out of scale, there have been casting issues for the Vindicare, there was no Bolt Carbine in the Bolt Weapons pack, Gruss' legs don't fit together too well, etc....


The left end of the upper part of the upper left lasgun is out of line - possibly it was knocked or just miscast.

The sight rail on the next one down looks out of line, too far out of the parallel

Have you ever cast anything in resin or bought from Forgeworld? Because what you've described is a common problem with resin casts, even professional ones like these. This is why many mini companies that use resin (Old Crow, GZG, etc.) may cast larger pieces in resin (cheaper than metal & less weight) and small fiddly bitz in metal (crisper detail, no warping).



The multilaser is far too small and ungainly, and I can't see any way of supporting it with the offhand (presumably that's what the stands are for).

I'm not sure why you think the ML needs to be larger. It's only a little smaller than the Lascannon, which would fit with their respective weights (65 vs. 75 lbs.). You also have to consider that INQ is much truer scaled than 40K. These weapons are designed to be man-portable and less overwhelming to the main figure than in 40K. Also, there's a 2nd handle for the ML on the sprue below it.

Kegluneq
19-06-2007, 16:37
I agree with selfconstrukt though. You do an awful lot of criticizing for a non-designer.
So just because I'm not a designer I can't have an opinion on whether a model looks good or not? :eyebrows:

Have you ever cast anything in resin or bought from Forgeworld? Because what you've described is a common problem with resin casts, even professional ones like these. This is why many mini companies that use resin (Old Crow, GZG, etc.) may cast larger pieces in resin (cheaper than metal & less weight) and small fiddly bitz in metal (crisper detail, no warping).
Well, that's fair enough.

I'm not sure why you think the ML needs to be larger. It's only a little smaller than the Lascannon, which would fit with their respective weights (65 vs. 75 lbs.). You also have to consider that INQ is much truer scaled than 40K. These weapons are designed to be man-portable and less overwhelming to the main figure than in 40K. Also, there's a 2nd handle for the ML on the sprue below it.
Except both are very heavy weapons, and should be scaled to some representation of that. The space taken up by the barrel(s) of the gun is completely out of whack with the size of the firing mechanism in both cases - the main part of the gun is ridiculously small (even if the 40k scale is exaggerated, it should show how the weapon is vaguely meant to look). Lascannons (and multilasers) aren't really manportable weapons as such, they should primarily be mounted, and these look just a little too puny in overall size. The multilaser in particular could have come straight from Serious Sam.

Also, if Inq weight is scaled in pounds, then I pity the Inquisitor with eight digiweapons to carry around...

Edit the second: What is that thing below the lascannon meant to be?

Ancientsociety
19-06-2007, 18:00
Edit the second: What is that thing below the lascannon meant to be?

Power coupling. It runs from the backpack to the Lascannon. Same as the SM LC-armed Devastator or Necromunda Delaque Hvy

Broom
21-06-2007, 17:16
I find your views on these slightly depressing kegluneq. Yes, they're different. In fact they're better. I would guess that you don't have any problems with new designs on 40k weapons most of the time. You sound a bit too conformist when it comes to these. It's ok not to like them (a little crazy, but there's no accounting for taste), but to state that it's because they're not identical to the current =][= las weapons is, er....I dunno. It's not good though.

How do you feel about his bolt weapons? (notice a few non-conformist designs?)

Vladimir Deathblade
21-06-2007, 17:47
ONe thing: The 'stock' on the pistol looks rather more like flash to me. One of those casting tbs you always get. If that were a stock itd be imposable to hold. Anyway, if it is a stock, and you don't like it, you can always chop it off1 Well, if you could get them, anyway...

Stahlgeist
21-06-2007, 17:53
Does anyone remember when WH40K was Space Fantasy, not hard Sci-Fi?

Sigh.

That's what made the 40K universe "look" unique, IMEO. Same goes for the backstory. :chrome:

selfconstrukt
21-06-2007, 23:25
kegluneq, look at the old las weapons for Inquisitor pictured here:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=WEB007&orignav=300808

Now you tell me MechanicalHorizon's aren't better. The old ones, while usable, are nowhere near as detailed as the new ones.

Its a shame they won't be released, I would buy them!

Kegluneq
24-06-2007, 07:43
It's kind of hard to appreciate the differences between a low res shot of the metal castings and a close up of the resin originals, though.

selfconstrukt
18-07-2007, 14:46
Check this out, he's selling them!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230151913360

Time to start sniping!

talos935
26-07-2007, 13:42
Well Keg you've inspired me to convert the existing lasguns into a bullpup rifle