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Mozzamanx
01-07-2007, 17:53
Ello der,

My local club has started to get everyone interested in Necromunda, and may be starting a campaign soon. Now, a friend has got me interested and so ive just got a few questions to ask.

1- will I basically have to use one of the main 6 gangs? i know theres gangs like ratskins, spyrers etc, but are these good enough for a full fledged gang? Im asking because some of them (eg. enforcers) seem to have no customisability (big word!).
2- how much will an average gang set me back?
3- can I use 40k models to build me gang, provided they all look reasonably like theyre supposed to? eg. using scout or catachan models?
4- are there any updates coming soon that will make my stuff invalid?

Thanks for any replies

Darkhorse
01-07-2007, 18:55
1) As well as the 6 Hive City Houses there are the 4 Outlanders;
Ratskins, Spyrers, Redemptionists and Scavvies. These are all good gangs, in some ways better than the Houses. The Enforcers are more of a Campaign Arbitrator thing, good at the start they can't be upgraded and will become outgunned very quickly. There's also Pitslaves if you like close combat.

2) I'd budget them at 20-30, but it depends on how much you want to spend. A Spyrer gang can be 12 (2 models) whereas Scavvies can field a small army that could just absorb your budget.

3) Yes, I've seen a few Catachan conversion jobs.

4) Highly unlikely, Redemptionists and Pit Slaves have been waiting a long time for their gangs to progress from "Experimental" to "Official" not that anyone cuts any slack for them.

Major_Gilbear
01-07-2007, 19:42
1- will I basically have to use one of the main 6 gangs? i know theres gangs like ratskins, spyrers etc, but are these good enough for a full fledged gang? Im asking because some of them (eg. enforcers) seem to have no customisability (big word!).
As this is your first Necromunda experience, I would suggest that you start with one of the House gangs. They are slightly more straightforward to play and slightly more flexible than the Outlander gangs. Plus, they're all fully "official" and won't be changing any time soon. TBH, I doubt the Outlanders will change much anytime soon either, but as they are not in their own book yet, you can never be too sure.


2- how much will an average gang set me back?
As with everything GW: as much as you're willing to spend!

I would suggest that if you want to buy official models, you will struggle to get away much less than 25.00 (even with one of the gang boxed sets, you will invariably need a couple more gangers).

If you want to convert your own models from spare kit, you could get away with a lot less. Plus, if you have access to EBay, you can usually pick up any House gang quite easily; in these cases, you could spend as little as 10.00 (as a fairly typical cost) and get away with it.

Best thing to do is hop over to the GW online store and click on the bitz you want. Then, check the basket and see what it comes to. You can do this as often as you like without buying anything and is a great way of calculating what you'd spend.


3- can I use 40k models to build me gang, provided they all look reasonably like they're supposed to? eg. using scout or Catachan models?
Absolutely! Catachans, Empire Militia and Chaos Marauders seem to the most popular non-Necro models around for this sort of conversion treatment. I've seen some astonishingly imaginative/attractive gangs that don't use official Necro models. WYSIWYG is reasonably important though, and I would try and select models that are appropriate for your selected gang's style.


4- are there any updates coming soon that will make my stuff invalid?
None that I know of really. Most updates are terribly minor anyway, more rules clarifications than anything else. Outlander gangs are more likely to the subject of major changes, but some (like the Spyrers and Ratskins) are really pretty firm.

colmarekblack
02-07-2007, 14:11
1- will I basically have to use one of the main 6 gangs? i know theres gangs like ratskins, spyrers etc, but are these good enough for a full fledged gang? Im asking because some of them (eg. enforcers) seem to have no customisability (big word!).


Enforcers are very customisable they can have any piece of equipment they want including Mung Vases! You just can't change equipment after the first game.

Syrers have no customisability aside from there unique skills tables (one per spyrer type) and they can buy exp at the start. This means you can have a 1000 cred spyrer which is extremely nasty and unique

Deltrax
02-07-2007, 20:35
Hello Mozzamanx,

Nice to have a new blood to the Necromunda game, which, like the underhive itself, is dying slowly, apart from hardened veterans.
As for your questions, they have been answered quite sufficiently. But I'd like to contribute with my humble POV.
1. The main 6 houses (Goliath, Orlock, Escher, Van Saar, Delaque and Cawdor) are the easiest gangs to play, as they don't have weird rules, vows or limits like the other outlaw gangs.
2. As with any GW game, you can make it as expensive for yourself as possible.
Assuming you do have paint - a basic painting and assembly kit will cost 25 quid. ( Hobby Starter Set - Part Code: 99229999050 - 25)

First of all think about how long you are going to play this, and how much effort you are willing to make. Look on eBay for some gangs, as sometimes you can get them dirt cheap. http://search.ebay.co.uk/necromunda

If you're strapped for cash , and can't spend the money, look for the plastic gangers (Orlock or Goliath) (on eBay) that were in the original boxed game. There are only 2 poses each for both plastic gangs, but a few different weapons. Downside is that you'll have a bit of a dull gang with 4 or 5 different models, so not really an easily identifiable gang, so you would need an extra heavy and leader and if possible a few juves. If you want some more variation and more real models later on, buy a boxed set.
For a bit more cash you can buy the Catachan jungle fighters ( 18.00 - Part Code: 99120105004 )
They look really like a cross between the original and the new Orlock gang with a bit of Goliath - for some sort of Rambo style - thrown in.
New Orlock (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/newimage.asp?Size=A&Img=250124)
Catachans (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/newimage.asp?Size=A&Img=213565)

For quick starters who can spend something extra I'd suggest spending at least 35.00 for a whole gang. This is, if you are very willing to take part, buy a box set of Delaques and buy -if available- some of the booster packs (extra gangers and/or juves) and paint them. Delaques are very easy to paint with their long overcoats, and with a few techniques, like washing and drybrushing, you can have a really nice looking gang fast. (see GW website for techniques HERE (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/painting/painting_basics/getting_started/default.htm))
If you want to take it to the max, you could get every model from that house and convert the ones you have doubles for - including paint and hobby materials you can have 20 different models/poses from the same house, some extra special characters (bounty hunters, scum, ratskin scouts and others), for around 80.00 . This WILL get you some notice and attention - especially when you painted them with great detail. Just look around for idea's.

When you're then 'into' Necromunda you can then buy the models you need for your your gangs. When you have time to paint - house Escher is really nice to do, lots of bright colours.

3. As we all said Catachans will do fine, although you will need some orlock or goliath juves with those. Some Cadians will do well after some converting, and ofcourse some witchhunters and inquisition models will do good as gangleaders or for special characters.

4. The basic gangs are here to stay. Also the outlanders (redemption, spyrers, ratskins and skavvies) will stay in the game. Maybe their rules will vary slightly- maybe a weapon here and there - but your models will still be useful. Although some in-house rules (as your local game admin, game master, campaign leader or whatever he's calling himself) may restrict their use - just go for the basic house gang first and if you want to elaborate after your 2nd house gang, go ahead using a outlawed/outlander gang. Just get the hang of the 'normal' houses first, before you dabble with the subtle outlanders.

Some game advise:
Know your own playstyle, know your own weakness, but more importantly, know your enemy's weakness, and try to strike hard where it hurts him, if he reacts to counteract, strike where he isn't expecting it.

Good luck!

Mozzamanx
02-07-2007, 21:02
Thanks for all the replies, Ive decided on my gang- converted Delaque!

Im a fairly competent converter and so they will be built out of catachans/cadians, with lots of scout-style cloaks GSed on.

Deltrax
03-07-2007, 10:32
Just remember Delaque it's main features are - bold head - glasses - snake
So don't include haired guys as it will take away from the feeling of Delaque.
Please, let us see some pictures of your progress!

Greets, Deltrax.

Catferret
03-07-2007, 13:18
On the subject of seeing pictures, I would like to see some of yours Deltrax. The Escher in your avatar looks pretty cool. A full shot of that and the rest of your models would be appreciated. :)

Pure fear
03-07-2007, 15:10
For a very cheap gang, just buy the single sprues for the catachans and /or cadians. These are 6 each and give you 10 models if you get both, If you also get the necromunda basic weapons and close combat weapons sprues, and maybe a heavy weapon or 2, you can have a 10 member gang for under 20.

I wouldnt play an outlaw gang to begin with, i did that with scavvies and after a while their lack of money gets quite annoying, especially when other gangs are making about 150 creds more than you.

The following is the basics of what my gang is made from.
Bits list.
Cadian sprue 6 http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99380105002&orignav=10
Catachan sprue 6
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99380105001&orignav=10
Close combat and pistol sprue 2
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947059903501&orignav=300808
Basic weapon sprue 2.50
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947059903502&orignav=300808
TOTAL 16.50

You probably have some heavy weapons lying around, but if not you can buy the seperate heavy stubbers/ bolters etc for only about 2 each.

On a side note, if none of the main houses tickle your fancy, make your own with this!
http://www.specialist-games.com/assets/FO40UnkownWarriors.pdf

Hope that helps.

Angelwing
03-07-2007, 22:30
On the subject of seeing pictures, I would like to see some of yours Deltrax. The Escher in your avatar looks pretty cool. A full shot of that and the rest of your models would be appreciated. :)

yes, seconded.

On topic, go with one of the house gangs to start with. They dont have quirky rules like the outlander gangs, and thus easier to learn the game with.
As for models, well many excellent suggestions have been made by other posters, so I wont add my ramblings!

colmarekblack
03-07-2007, 22:52
Yup Delaque are a good choice to start off with, though once you've learnt how to play don't be afraid to try outlanders, they are very rewarding when played properly (2 BS5 Scalies with spearguns :evilgrin:). Or for that more Imperial touch, Enforcers are very good, combining good firepower with carapace armour and decent close combat abilites.

Deltrax
28-07-2007, 19:10
On the subject of seeing pictures, I would like to see some of yours Deltrax. The Escher in your avatar looks pretty cool. A full shot of that and the rest of your models would be appreciated. :)

That Escher in my avatar is a 2nd place in one of the 1999 golden deamon contests. Don't know who exactly from.. Just do a search on the golden deamon websites for Necromunda or Escher. I had it in my Necromunda folder, and thought it would be cool. I did have an entry 10 years ago in the local golden deamon competition, I lost, because I totally underestimated the run on the show. I thought that from the local guys I had the best model painted, took me almost 2 weeks to paint it properly. It was my 7th Necromundan model I painted. I got better after this one, but for effort, it's one of my best pieces.

Greetz, Deltrax