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Dageraad
11-07-2007, 20:30
Here's my current project!

I'm sculpting my very own dragon, from special clay and greenstuff, layer for layer. This is the upperhead, no other idea of how to name it :P

Example head:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/PICT2960.jpg

First three layers: Clay, greenstuff, clay:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/PICT2962.jpg

Put them together and you get:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/PICT2963.jpg

And of course the (for now) last picture, the dragon with a part of the last layer of greenstuff (not finished yet!):
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/PICT2966.jpg

Woudschim
11-07-2007, 20:47
Hi my love :)

As I already said, great work for a 3rd sculpt!

Dageraad
11-07-2007, 20:52
Thank you dear,
Still being ambitious am I? ;)

Woudschim
11-07-2007, 21:02
quite, milady...quite a lot as a matter of fact, but I wish you all the luck and skill in your purveying of sculpted miniatures! You might as well show your squig and lady!

Harry
11-07-2007, 21:05
Great start. This looks like one to watch.

Have you sculpted much stuff before?

Woudschim
11-07-2007, 21:20
Great start. This looks like one to watch.

Have you sculpted much stuff before?

She has been painting for 6-7 months now, and has about the same standard as me, (see the warmaster and reviving old days topic by me)

And only sculpted a squig and a little female model before.

Women....pff.

Harry
11-07-2007, 22:26
Does she make good pie? :D

Literally her third sculpt!
That will make this even more interesting.

Yes do show us your first two sculpts.

Dageraad
12-07-2007, 07:32
Alright, here they are :)

My first sculpt was this Babysquig :) The painting is nog done yet, still need very much highlights, but haven't been paying attention to it since more ideas popped into my head and I was busyer sculpting then painting.

My next try was this lady model. Sine a few weeks she has a red dress, but she ísn't finished yet. Sorry for the quality of these pictures, but my cam was having a very hard day being broken and all ;)

And yes, I can make pie, though if it's good depends on how well I read the recipe ;)

Zodiac
12-07-2007, 09:59
Hey Dageraad,

Its all very cool! Especially the giant squig and the little female model.
And the dragon's head is also looking quite 'fab' already..
It is hard to believe that those are you first three sculpts.. :o

I'll be around to check the dragon when it's finished! :p

mrtn
12-07-2007, 10:42
I should keep an eye on this thread. :)

Dageraad
12-07-2007, 14:06
Here's an update!

The jaw has been finished. Though it looks kinda big now, 75% of it will not be seen once joined with the head.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/PICT2974.jpg

And here's his almost finished head. More sharp points added, and bless him, his first teeth! :D
Also his eyes are finished, though I might still change something.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/PICT2975.jpg

Calanduil
12-07-2007, 14:21
Looks awesome, willl look forward to see more as it progresses.

locutus
13-07-2007, 02:19
oh boy, she's going to pull a pox on us!

razielthegreat
13-07-2007, 03:20
this is comin' along sweet!! (even if it is just the head.) :D
i'm currently making my own winged nightmare/zombie dragon thingy, and if the head turns out anything like yours i'll be very pleased with myself.

anyways, good luck, and keep up the great work.

Dageraad
13-07-2007, 12:26
Will you show the dragon? :)

Here's the head with jaw added, still looks big, still isn't finished and will look different when body is added ;)

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/PICT2979.jpg

razielthegreat
13-07-2007, 13:32
yeah, sure i'll post it.... it's mainly armature at the moment though. :p

here ya go:
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/razielthegreat_2006/vampire%20counts/wipwingednightmare2.jpg

have you started the body yet?

beefpizza
13-07-2007, 16:56
Hi,
great work so far! I really like how it is going. I copied your photo and made a few changes on photoshop. Mostly filling away at a few parts and adding some pointy areas. Hope this helps!

Some Muppet
13-07-2007, 22:05
oh boy, she's going to pull a pox on us!

lol, thats funny cause it looks like its gonna be true, look at the size of that armature, its huge!

Dageraad
14-07-2007, 13:20
@Beefpizza:I like the idea of the head having some more pointy parts. I still wasn't finished with it, and thought about where to place them, but this picture-redo really helps. I don't know If the chin will become pointy like that, but I can say it still isn't finished, so who knows ;)

@Some Muppet: I like the body, looks great! Have you tried sculpting scales yet? If not, I know a trick that might help.
I have started on the body, but am thinking about totally crushing it and starting over again when I have the wings. I have tried sculpting wings, have also concluded I can's, so the only thing not sculpted on the dragon will be the wings. Ordered plastic ones from GW and going to convert them unrecognisable. :D

Update:

Yesterday, I have actually decided on what kind of dragon it will be.
A forest one, since I plan to make it very old, with mushrooms and leaves attachted to it's skin, together with little plants growing.

Added yesterday: A mushroom, a nose-ring and a ring around the middle horn on his head, like there will be one on another one as well. Ring around horn includes stones in them.
I haven't got a picture yet since I'm not at home currently, but picture will be added a.s.a.p. (meaning monday most likely, though perhaps tomorrow I might have some time)

razielthegreat
14-07-2007, 15:27
i would be more than happy to hear any tips/tricks you might have up your sleeve, especially anything to do with sculptin' scales. :p
i'm a lil' stumped. I was thinkin' of sculpting them all individually! But, that might just drive me insane :evilgrin:

sanctusmortis
15-07-2007, 12:31
As advice, check out Pox's fully sculpted dragon thread here (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55918) for his tips on making the various parts, and to see how he's done.

Dageraad
15-07-2007, 19:14
Thank you, and yes, know that thread :)

Here's some new stuff. I have changed the snout, added some detail witch is (due to camera-trouble) not quite visible... Better pictures to follow up soon!

For the quick to fill up room scales:
Take a bit of the plastic the greenstuff is in and take a bit of greenstuff.
Flatten it really really well and take a what's-it-called (used to pick between your teeth, teethpicker?) press the point in the greenstuff and again and again, making your very own pattern. By using a round pointy thingy (the teethpicker-thing) the effect of the scales look quite well. For the bigger, real scales though.. haven't tried them yet but have got some ideas on how to make those. Will tell you when I found a good way to make thoase as well.


Here's the dragon's head with detail marker, done in paintshop:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/P32005242.jpg

The updates are in orde of appearence:
- Small fill-up scales in the make, together with a nosering for the dragon.

- The dragon's head with my new idea for the chin and neck. It's supposed to be combe like, like lizards and such have? Only hanging under his chin.
- The body-set-up
- The tail-set-up

razielthegreat
16-07-2007, 04:26
Thanks for the tip.. it seems easy enough, i'll have to give it a try :D (also i think the word you were lookin' for was "toothpick" ;) but i'm sure everyone knew what you were talking about)

i like the idea with the frilly neck, very creative

lookin' forward to seeing more.

Harry
16-07-2007, 07:54
You are cracking on and its looking very good.

I like the neck flap/fringe type thing aswell. Takes it away from the GW dragons a bit and makes it more unique. (and a bit more realistic thast the very clean and cartoony look they have).

I was also impressed with the little girl.

I am interested in your artistic background. Do you do other art or sculpture?

Dageraad
16-07-2007, 10:08
No artistic background or what so ever.
I draw a little sometimes, paint a little, not really good or anything according to myself.

I'll update a photo of my last painting. It isn't finished yet, but ok.It's my third try with oil based paint. And yes, I'm quite busy trying things out lately ;)

Though I did like clay very much when I was little... Don't know if that is any good?

No update today I'm afraid. I really need the wings now, but I have to wait till this weekend :cries:

Harry
16-07-2007, 10:14
Well if your third Sculpt is near as good as your third painting is shaping up to be we are in for a treat.

I wish I was not really that good at the things I try.

I bet you make good pie aswell. :D

Dageraad
16-07-2007, 11:18
Ohw, that's making me blush! Thank you :)

And pie, ah well.. could try it... :D

Dageraad
17-07-2007, 20:18
UPDATE!!!

Due to a lot of asking kindly, I was allowed to have Woudschim's old orc wyvern-wings. Meaning exactly what? Well, not having to wait till bloody sunday 'till I can continue the dragon, meaning as well: Update!

Here's the new (yes, killed the previous) body, with a sketch that Woudschim made as example of how he tought the dragon would be quite dynamic. I agree. :)

In order of App again:
- Sketch
- Dragon wire + first stuff
- Dragon body
- Dragon body with wings

Yet to come: Of course arms, legs, scales, details!

Hideous Loon
17-07-2007, 21:12
D'you want a tip? Don't use the GW wings, they have been used to death on Dragons, Wyverns, Hive Tyrants and other assorted creatures. Make your own. You are clearly good enough, and the result will look so much better.

Dageraad
17-07-2007, 21:32
I have tried, but I really can't sculpt wings.
And of course, the way these wings look now, is not the way they will look when I'm finished. They have yet to be converted and resculpted for quite a part.

Besides, I already ordered new plastic wings to give back to Woudschim ;)

Pekel
18-07-2007, 06:09
Excellent start! I just have two little suggestions that I think will help a lot.

Unless you plan on really sculpting a lot more, the wings should be moved a bit up (and forward, if they're to fill the upper arm sockets). I know you said you'll be converting the heck out of them, but right now the position is a teensy bit awkward.

Secondly, the dragon's overbite is pretty profound. I think extending the lower jaw would make it much more menacing.

Great work so far, though - I'll be following this!

Dageraad
18-07-2007, 07:13
Going to check all tips out and see what to use and what not. Thanks! :)

Dageraad
19-07-2007, 10:19
Alright, after thinking things thrugh, I decided to give making-my-own-wings another shot. :)

Also, the body is still moving around (love that clay!) to see what makes a better pose.
The jaw, as some suggested, is a lot thinner and I agree that it looks a lot better. Thanks! :)
The arms are not done yet. I'm still puzzling with the anatomy of the muscles and all. Luckly my father knows quite a bit about that. ;)
I've added a paint-picture-thing to try and show basic idea of how the model will become.

As for the wings. To show of the movement in the wings as well, one will be very open and wide, the other closed and folded.

For tonight, a major update since I'm planning on doing the wings, ánd the claws!

In order of app!

- Head with thinner jaw
- Body
- Wings
- Body with paint-add

Dageraad
20-07-2007, 07:52
The prommised major update won't bu up till the end of the weekend.
Due to a disappearing load of greenstuff that is. I can't find it anywhere! :(

But still! Here's the base for the wings, and the base for the dragon.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/P3240528.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/P3240529.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/P3240529f.jpg

Dageraad
26-07-2007, 20:31
Here's an update! Sorry for the long waiting, but haven't had time do do much lately. So here's what I'm at right now.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/P3310529.jpg

His arm! The muscles have only be placed lightly, the form and vains yet to come! Basic shape it is for now.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/P3310533.jpg

One of the wings, with cute little mushrooms!

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/P3310534.jpg

The dragon with a tad of greenstuff.

This weekend my parents are gone. We've got a house to ourselfs, no work, only silence and plenty of time (And new greenstuff!!) :D

BigBossGoobla
26-07-2007, 20:43
thats looking really cool! I look foward to seeing more

Gitt
27-07-2007, 10:57
Pretty beefy arms... S shaped body.... only 1 word comes to mind here...

TROGDOR the BURNiNATOR!!!

Hideous Loon
27-07-2007, 16:47
Darn it, you Gitt, you beat me to it. Curses!

The sculpted wings look far superior to the stock wings, or they will, if the head is anything to go by. Keep em coming.

Dageraad
27-07-2007, 19:02
LOL :D

And thanks! And I'll keep them comming. ;) Tomorrow, I shall be 'live' @ arnhem in the netherland :P ;)

Dageraad
28-07-2007, 20:23
A very good evening to all!

Yes, I'm in a good mood indeed. I just received some old, really really old, dwarves. Dwarves rule bigtime! As some might know, I collect rare and old edition dwarves. So I'm quite excited, specially since one of them is a kooking-dwarf with a roasted boar :D

Anyways, here's the dragon!

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/P4020529.jpg

A bit flobby upperarm-under. This will be corrected yet.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/P4020530.jpg

And I really love the way his chest muscles worked out to be!

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/Woudschim/P4020531.jpg

Bit of detail here. Some vains, though they are not done yet but mostly for me to try out making and to find out how-to-make.
On some of these pictures, you might see something strange around the elbow. It's going to be something pointy later on.

Tell me what you think!

Arhalien
28-07-2007, 20:29
This is looking very impressive :D

Dageraad
06-08-2007, 20:46
It has been a while since the last update, but here it is!

I've started working on the legs of the dragon :)
It's only the start, basic shapes etc, the rest will be following soon.
Tomorrow, or some other time this week, I will make a drawing of what the diorama is going to look like (sort of).