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The Super Haggis
18-07-2007, 22:14
THE SCULPTING THREAD

So as the title says this thread is all about sculpting. Iíll be using it to log my own progress in the world of sculpting but I also invite you to post your own exploits as well. You donít need to be doing full sculpts or be a top-class sculptor, the whole point of this thread is to for you to progress in your sculpting skills. If you are only doing conversions thatís fine, Iíll be posting up some of my conversions as well.

So to start off hereís a WIP sculpt of mine.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/The_Super_Haggis/DSC_0356.jpg

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/The_Super_Haggis/DSC_0357.jpg

Disclaimer: The mini isn't actually this shiny in real life!

This is actually my first full sculpt. Well kind of. I made my first armature which was rubbish so I threw that away! Then I started sculpting on this one and had finished the legs when I realised they were crap so I cut what I had done back, and this is what Iíve done since then (the moral being donít stick with something if itís crap just have a go at it again). The soldier is to be wielding a gun (FN P90) in his left hand and a dagger in his right as per the (rubbish) sketch below. The finished miniature will be based on the police from Ghost in the Shell.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/The_Super_Haggis/DSC_0356copy.jpg

Iím planning on casting my miniatures when I have finished them, the first step being to cast up some guns so I donít have to reproduce them multiple times!

Also hereís some conversions I have done of some pikemen, which mainly involved sculpting hands and details that had been cut away.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/The_Super_Haggis/DSC_0359.jpg

So thereís some of my stuff, now letís see yours!

Also if you have any questions feel free to ask, plus Iíll be happy to give tutorials.

Cheers,

Nick.

Crube
18-07-2007, 22:17
Be interesting to see what goes on here... one thing I've never really tried is sculpting. Sure I've filled a few gaps with the old GS, and even moulded a bit of fur to cover a join, but...

Those hands on the Empire models look great, although there's somehting thsat looks a little rude about the guy on the left...may just be my mind....

Dino
18-07-2007, 22:27
Well mine ain't that good but it's something. This is the w.i.p. pics of my Arch Heretic for my latd army of Great Cuthulhu.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/Dinoartist/Picture029.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/Dinoartist/Picture030.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/Dinoartist/Picture031.jpg
And a close up of his head.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/Dinoartist/Picture032.jpg
Youre guy their and the hands on youre troops(which are amazing) have this guy beat. Can't wait to see what else you got.

Animerik
18-07-2007, 23:31
heheh I have done quite some sculptin in my days and Iīm working on some ogres atm, Iīll show some of my stuff but most can be found in my blog...
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/animerik/nurgel%20display/DSC00196.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/animerik/nurgel%20display/DSC00197.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/animerik/nurgel%20display/k21.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/animerik/nurgel%20display/maru.jpg

some of my stuff. Lovele stuff Super Haggis I really like the pants nice work!

CMDante
19-07-2007, 00:16
Great idea for a thread mate, hopefully I'll have a few things to add soon.

Cheers,

Dante

Discover&See
19-07-2007, 00:30
good idea also good for compering and advice etc. i think soon i'll start showing some of the stuff i'm working on in this thread soon, well all keep up the good work some really nice minis there :)

Best regards
Discover&See.

Taarnak
19-07-2007, 00:53
Here is a Werewolf that I am working on (slowly these days...) for my Chaos in Carpathia warband.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6398/werewolf2tx4.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=werewolf2tx4.jpg)

I will get some pictures of the other stuff that I am working on as soon as I can. I have a space pirate, a fantasy warrior, an FBI type agent, and a COG trooper.

~Eric

asmodai_dark86
19-07-2007, 00:55
Hey Animerick could be get some better shots of the chaos warrior thats one amazing conversion - very clever fella

Animerik
19-07-2007, 08:25
Taarnak:Wow really nice start there! very nice muscel definition, the posť looks good so far, now donīt cover all the mini in fur it would be a waste with the nice start youīve done.

asmodai_dark86:Iīm sorry I have no more pics of that marauder heīs now in painting progress Iīll post some pics in my blog when he is done.

Melchiah
19-07-2007, 08:45
Great idea for a thread,as it should shead some light of some of us whom are not up to par on our GSing.

The Super Haggis
19-07-2007, 10:44
Crube - You're sick!;) I'm pretty sure every legendary sculptor started with simply gap filling, you've just got to slowly extend what you're doing.

Dino - CTHULUUUUUU!!:D Nice workthere, is that based on the Chaos Terminator Lord?

Animerik - Absolute brilliance. The problem I have is I'm pretty unimaginative when it comes to thinking of conversions, whereas you're the complete opposite!

CMDante - Thanks, man. Hurry up and get some stuff posted!

Discover&See - Cheers, though looking at some of the work here I think other people are more suited to giving advice than I!

Taarnak - Brilliant start to that werewolf, let's see the rest of your work!;) Also how do you do the muscles on the werewolf, and what reference do you use?

Melchiah - Just fire away any questions you have I'm sure anyone would be happy to answer!

No more work from me yet, but I'm writing up a list of stuff I want to sculpt, and I might spend the rest of the day making armatures (anyone want a tutorial?)!

Cheers,

Nick.

Dino
19-07-2007, 14:16
@The Super Haggis: Thx, and yes it is based on the chaos terminator lord.

@Animerik: I envy you for having really good sculpting skills.

McMullet
19-07-2007, 15:27
I'm very much a beginner at sculpting large things, but here's my first go at a Tyranid Warrior's extended carapace:

http://images.fotopic.net/ypc8pf.jpghttp://images.fotopic.net/ypc8p3.jpg

I also did a small amount of sculpting on a Skink Chief to give him some armour:

http://images.fotopic.net/ymbccz.jpghttp://images.fotopic.net/ymbcc0.jpg

sir.spamalot
19-07-2007, 17:11
Oooh, nice thread. I'll lurk around here and post comments but I'm a terrible sculptor and have no greenstuff so I don't think theres any hope of me posting anything on here :D.


cheers, the spam man

Taarnak
19-07-2007, 18:30
Dino: Looks pretty good. Did you use straight GS on that? I ask because the definition of your details looks a little soft and that is a problem that I had when I first started using GS. The solution that I found was to let the GS set a little bit before working in the details. This seems to help offset the memory of the GS (at least, to me it did.)

Animerik: Thank you! The fur will cover the entire back, but that is the most coverage it will get. The chest/abdomen area, a good bit of the arms, and most of the legs will be 'bare.'
Also, I really like those Chaos conversions. Any chance of a bigger picture of that Daemon Prince?

The Super Haggis: Great start on your first guy there. Looks like some sort of Titan crewman with your drawing over it.

The muscles were done largely individually. This is a particular pain in the behind when working on the area around the abs and lats. Also doing it this way leads to more separation in the musculature than is realistic. I need to start working them en masse.

I use various anatomy charts/books/pictures that I have accumulated over the years. I have some in digital form that I might be able to get to you if you would like.

Kinda crappy weather here today, so I will try to get a good indoor lighting setup done to take pictures of my other stuff tonight, but no promises...

McMullet: That Tyranid armor looks really good. I can't make out all the details in the Skink, but what I can see looks good. Hope to see some more of your stuff soon.

~Eric

catbarf
20-07-2007, 07:56
Soon I'm going to sculpt some trenchcoat legs to use with my FW Renegade Militia torsos, so I can A. Have a red trenchcoat army, and B. Cast my own, and not have to buy Cadian boxes just for the legs.

Melchiah
20-07-2007, 08:15
I really like the carapace McMulet

Easy E
20-07-2007, 18:17
Wow, what took me so long to find this awesome thread!

I'll add this. Everything I have sculpted up to this point.

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2699/dsc06378ta2.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc06378ta2.jpg)

The Super Haggis
20-07-2007, 20:45
McMullet - Nice work on that Tyranid and the skink. Try mixing your GS a bit better, I can see yellow in there!;)

sir.spamalot - Feel free to lurk!:D Hopefully we'll inspire you ot get some sculpting done!

Taarnak - Yeah I've collected a load of refernce but sionce I'm just doing man-sized mini's I've only been doing general shapes, but I may pay more attention to musculature when I'm making some Ogres.

catbarf - Sounds good! But remember:

"MODEL CONVERSION KITS
We do not allow unlicensed third parties to manufacture or produce conversion kits for our models. We need to be able to control our products and all derivatives thereto in order that we produce quality products for years to come." - Games Workshop.

Easy E - Nice work, maybe try slimming your guys down, but otherwise pretty good!

So I've done a bit of work. I'm starting on the first of my "Reinvention of GW" with some Delaque gangers.

Here's some of the concept art for them:

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/The_Super_Haggis/Gangersketch.jpg

And here's the rough armatures (bearing in mind they'l be almost completely covered with clothes):

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/The_Super_Haggis/DSC_0360.jpg

The heads on the armatures are from Hasslefree and come with permission to cast for commercial use.

Unfortunately I'm going to be away for the next week so it's up to you lot to keep the thread alive until I get back, I expect to this this thread front page when I get back!

I don't go till Sunday so I'll try get some work done tomorrow.

Cheers,

Nick.

CMDante
20-07-2007, 21:29
Interesting stuff you got there, its always nice to see some concept artwork in these types of threads, especially well done art such as yours. How do you find the armature heads from hasslefree? They any good?

Not sure I like the poses your going for too much, they all seem to resemble the existing GW mini's. I think it would be nice to go for some more original poses, particularly if you plan to cast them. Remember to watch for undercuts etc.:D

Cheers,

Dante

Discover&See
21-07-2007, 02:11
well here is a quick pic of what is going to be one of my entries for GD this year still lots to do but here's the pic
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s275/Crackajam/spacewolf.jpg

well hope you like it!

Best regards
Discover&See.

Easy E
21-07-2007, 12:41
Noob question: What's an undercut?

The Super Haggis
21-07-2007, 13:01
Basically molds are two-part, so when you cast something you have to be able to take one half of the mold off. This means you cannot have any "undercut" bits that will stop you being able to pull the mold away. Imagine the cloaks on a figure. You may notice that GW fill in the area beneath them to have an almost flat area on the bottom, this is because if they didn't fill it in the mold would be caught in this area and you would not be able to pull it out.

Apparently rubber moulds used with resin figures are more flexible and allow a degree of undercutting, as evidenced by the added detail on the FW mini's.

Hope that (rubbish) explanation helps!

Cheers,

Nick.

catbarf
22-07-2007, 07:50
catbarf - Sounds good! But remember:

"MODEL CONVERSION KITS
We do not allow unlicensed third parties to manufacture or produce conversion kits for our models. We need to be able to control our products and all derivatives thereto in order that we produce quality products for years to come." - Games Workshop.


It's not a conversion kit, it's a set of legs that happen to fit the FW militia or Cadian torsos, or the greatcoats-and-heavy-armor troops I plan to sculpt somewhere down the line. Besides, the FW piece is a conversion kit anyway... so, what, a conversion kit for a conversion kit :wtf:

If anything, I'm doing less than the Female Cadian team- they basically made replacement models.

Melchiah
23-07-2007, 05:10
Im looking to make some badges for my DIY, can anyone give any hints on the best way to make a mold or would it be easier to simpy try making one by one?

catbarf
23-07-2007, 06:27
To make badges, you can use a Green Stuff press mold. Basically, take a lump of Green Stuff, flatten it out, and make sure it's smooth. Spread a little oil or Vaseline on it to prevent sticking. Then, just press the badge you sculpted into the GS. When the GS is dry, remove the badge. You now have a mold. All you have to do is spread on the lubrication on the mold, then press a small piece of GS into it. When it's dry, you can pull it out, and you'll have an exact replica of the original.

Melchiah
23-07-2007, 06:39
Thnx for the tips. Ive had people saggest all sorts of things as a mold. and i wasnt looking forward to aving to free hand 100 badges.

EmperorsChamp01
23-07-2007, 06:55
Well here is some After the fact Pictures of my extremely Slow Growing Imperial Fists..... Here is the SGT.... I Sculpted the tubes and the fist on his chest along with with mane on his head Hope you like....

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/DBDforever/IMGP0129.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/DBDforever/IMGP0130.jpg

while on the subject.... Im thinking about sculpting Cadians to Valhallens.... Does anyone have a tutorial or any Ideas on how to do that???

catbarf
23-07-2007, 08:03
For the Cadians, just shave down the armor and sculpt the coats from sheets of GS.

For the IF, it isn't bad, but it could be better. I don't think sculpting is actually the best thing to do with tubes, I think it would be better and easier if you just used guitar string or similar.

Easy E
23-07-2007, 11:50
I just found out you can even get Guitar string at Targets (Major U.S. Chain retailer) now. Can anyone tell me what string size is good for 28mm models?

http://www.target.com/gp/search.html/602-5384816-6408630?field-keywords=guitar+string&url=index%3Dtarget&ref=sr_bx_1_1

spikedog
23-07-2007, 12:44
great stuff in here people.

Hey Easy E, I'm using .052/1.32 electric guitar strings for my Stormtroopers which you can see here. (http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/spikedog_woof/Warhammer/Armoured%20Company/iggirl1.jpg)

Works pretty well for me.

Also just so my post has some relevance to this thread if anyone is interested they can see my Zombie Ogres that I sculpted ontop of the GW ones here. (http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/spikedog_woof/Warhammer/Ogres/)

Discover&See
23-07-2007, 13:09
here is abit more of my space wolf done just need to find a dark eldar head now so i can do the second hand other than that it's comming along quite nicely so far:p

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s275/Crackajam/spacewolf2.jpg

well let me know what you think?

Best regards Discover&See.

Blinded
23-07-2007, 21:49
Hello.

That figure gonna be fine,good work.

Emperor Hans
23-07-2007, 23:56
wow aaron u did a great job on that cant wait to see it close up

Discover&See
24-07-2007, 01:39
well here is the next step is the fur hope you all like it so far :)

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s275/Crackajam/spacewolf3.jpg

Comments will be most appricated :D

Best regards
Discover&See.

CMDante
24-07-2007, 02:06
Very nice Discover&See, you've done a good job on the arms, I know from experimenting with true scaling some marines last year how difficult it can be keeping their limbs smooth and cylindrical.

Out of curiosity have you adjusted the scaling at all to make him bigger? It's not too hard to do and you seem fully capable, the results are also quite nice.

Here's an Ultra I did last year as a test:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/WIP/True-Scalesizecomparison.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/WIP/DSCN0728.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/WIP/DSCN0754.jpg

Cheers,

Dante

EmperorsChamp01
24-07-2007, 02:32
Wow dante that is awsome... I love those Ultras

Discover&See
24-07-2007, 03:21
really nice sculpting there :D



Out of curiosity have you adjusted the scaling at all to make him bigger? It's not too hard to do and you seem fully capable, the results are also quite nice.

the scale is normal haven't changes it just resculpt to get it in the position i needed it to be in i did think about it but after gd i'm doing an army of space wolves and will be changing afew of their sizes.

keep up the good work and will be looking out for more of your stuff keep up the good work Dante :D

Best regards
Discover&See.

Bleedblssdmf
24-07-2007, 23:32
Dino, the Cthulu maybe one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

Taarnak
26-07-2007, 01:50
Some of my other stuff, as promised:
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5621/cogstartgd7.th.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cogstartgd7.jpg)

Start of a COG Trooper from Gears of War. Still very early on this one. About 90mm.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6168/bosun3pd2.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bosun3pd2.jpg)

Space Pirate Bosun. Meant to be an Ogre in 28mm size. He would also work at 54mm as a normal human. Nothing sets scale on him just yet.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7439/armoredwomanez6.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=armoredwomanez6.jpg)

Fantasy female Warrior. She sports the third face I have ever sculpted. I am relatively happy with where it is right now. Still needs eyelids and her nose finished. Arms on her are just started. The rest is well on its way to being finished. 28mm over a Reaper advanced dolly, found here (http://www.reapermini.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=1270&cat=29&page=1).

As always, comments and criticism welcome.

~Eric

Easy E
27-07-2007, 15:37
Nice Musculature on that Space Pirate Bosun.

You do a nice job on your models feet. Any tips? I can't stand feet.

Metal Fingered Villain
27-07-2007, 19:09
Well, here is some of my various nurgle stuff I've been sculpting over the years. The stuff at the top is the newest and gets older as you view towards the bottom with the Korpus model being my furst full endeavour into scratch sculpting.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v413/KingKonstad/P1010310.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v413/KingKonstad/P1010066.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v413/KingKonstad/P1010161.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v413/KingKonstad/Korpus%20Festerheart/korpusfrontgreens.jpg

catbarf
28-07-2007, 15:49
Holy crap. That is awesome, all of it...

sir.spamalot
28-07-2007, 15:50
wow, metal fingered villian+nurgle equals broken jaw:P


nice owrk there mate.

Harry
28-07-2007, 18:03
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v413/KingKonstad/Korpus%20Festerheart/korpusfrontgreens.jpg
This is magnificent. Where have I seen him before?

Hideous Loon
28-07-2007, 18:19
'Arry (may I call you 'Arry?): I think it's from the Hordes of Chaos armybook, Nurgle section. The horn thing convinces me that this is the case.

EDIT: Curses, wrong user...

Melchiah
28-07-2007, 18:19
the Hordes of Choas book, i belieave.
EDIT: Curse you loon, next time.

Metal Fingered Villain
28-07-2007, 19:25
Yea, It was an attempt at sculpting Korpus Festerheart. I've just ordered some more greenstuff and a plastic balrog, can anyone say....Blood Thirster?

Melchiah
28-07-2007, 19:26
Lust Buster...
DAMN, no i cant

Easy E
29-07-2007, 10:45
Was your Korpus sculpted over a dollie or other plastic model, or did you use a wire armature?

Melchiah
29-07-2007, 10:51
Im about to try and do a lion cloth on a chaplian model, this is be my first time on anything more complex then patch work. Any pointers?

Metal Fingered Villain
29-07-2007, 20:29
Was your Korpus sculpted over a dollie or other plastic model, or did you use a wire armature?
I think korpus was sculpted over a wire armature greenstuff sausage hybrid which is one of hte reasons he turned out slighty awkward and disproportioned. The sculpture at the top, my first endeavour into a full on wire armature is turning out a lot better. I think i'll stick with full on wire armateurs from now on.

Taarnak
30-07-2007, 21:21
Easy E: Thanks. Took me forever to get the musculature there. And I still am not 100% happy with it.

As far as the feet go, the only useful tip I can give you is: Don't try to do them all in one go. Every time I have tried to do it that way I end up with a model with clown feet... Build a little tab at first and then use that as a foundation for the rest.

~Eric

doghouse
30-07-2007, 21:41
This is a fantastic thread!

I've got to add my favourite model to date that's mostly a resculpt my truescale marine.
Hopefully this thread will give me the incentive to finish him!

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/DSC02247_00.jpg

sanctusmortis
30-07-2007, 22:34
*Whistle* sweeeeeeeeeeeeet...