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His Master's Voice
21-07-2007, 21:01
I'm back...

No, really, I'm back...

I can hear the wailing from here.

Due to a few completely unexpected occurrences (hah, as if Uni work could be considered unexpected) I was MIA for the past two months. But now I'm back with the prospect of long, countryside vacations and lots of free time.

I'm setting this thread up since I decided to devote it entirely to sculpting, and use the previous one, for general painting and conversion jobs.

If you want to see that thread its here (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72643) You can view my previous sculpting efforts there.

Now, since my sculpting tools, Green and Brown Stuff still haven't arrived and therefore there won't be any real sculpting for the upcoming week, you'll have to put up with some concepts sketches for my BiG PROjEcT.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s312/His_Masters_Voice/DSCF4548.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s312/His_Masters_Voice/DSCF4547.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s312/His_Masters_Voice/DSCF4546.jpg

Yup, you'r right, those are definitely NOT Big Mutants for LatD. I decided to postpone that particular project in favour of a more popular Minotaurs. The mutes are not forgotten, they just wait for the right moment.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s312/His_Masters_Voice/DSCF4549.jpg

I'll post some more concepts for these brutes tomorrow.

Discover&See
21-07-2007, 21:14
the concepts are really looking nice! :D and nice to see you are drawing the weapons they might carry or will be! top job will be lucking forward to seeing more of these as i'll be keeping an eye on this :D
keep up the good work :)

Best regards
Discover&See.

Rictus
21-07-2007, 21:21
Wow....very, very nice. Though after seeing your other log I shouldn't of been expecting anything else other than to be overawed.

BattleofLund
23-07-2007, 10:58
At first I thought 'Aren't those Beastmen on the brawny side? Nah, it's HMV, after all...' And then something in the pictures jumped up and punched my brain: 'NOT Beastmen, Minos!'

Which was confirmed by your wordings (I always look at pretty pictures in preference to straining mind with reading). To spell it out, your pics scream 'I am Minotaur!'

Will watch.

75hastings69
23-07-2007, 11:30
The concept work for the Armoured Minotaur is just astounding (are you looking GW!!!!) that would make an excellent Doombull!!!!

I have a thing at the minute for big round pointy maces, even two handed ones, and I think these guys would look great with them! In fact I'm pretty sure they would look great with any weapons at all!!

Truly exceptional artwork there.

luna wolf
23-07-2007, 12:58
they look awsome cant wait for more

synapse
23-07-2007, 14:32
great work on the anatomy and the armour, which i hope will grace the warpe bodies of every model you sculpt!

subscribed!

His Master's Voice
23-07-2007, 19:21
Stop the flattery. My girlfiend is getting edgy. She uses stiletto's like a ninja...


I have a thing at the minute for big round pointy maces, even two handed ones, and I think these guys would look great with them!

I'll post a lot of different weapon options concepts tomorrow. You'll find something for you there.

BTW Do you prefer the "naked" 'taurs or the armored, gladiator-style version? Also, two hand weapons or a single, big one? I'll make both version, just need to decide which should be first.

75hastings69
23-07-2007, 19:32
I prefer the armoured one by quite a long way, not that there's anything wrong with the others (dodges stiletto!). The armoured one is just something I think has been missing for a while and your concept work hits the nail on the head in respect to what I was wanting....

... spiked maces would look nice though ;)

bluebugs
24-07-2007, 02:55
The naked 'taurs look great, but the armored ones do as well. I suggest doing a mix, all with body armor, but half with helms.

uleses25
24-07-2007, 12:49
These concepts look very promising. Can't wait to see what they look like sculpted. I'm also very impressed with your other work. Keep it up!

Punk_in_Drublic
24-07-2007, 13:04
I see awesome basic minotaurs on your mostly unarmoured tauries, and I see the armoured one as an awesome lord or champion model. i like the unarmoured ones (maybe just those trademark heavy bracers of yours) as I like the anatomy of your concept and sculpting efforts so far - I don't see the need to clutter them up with armour :D

Laters,

-Punk

His Master's Voice
24-07-2007, 19:17
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/rhther/DSCF4900.JPG (http://www.largeimagehost.com)
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/rhthes/DSCF4901.JPG (http://www.largeimagehost.com)
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/rhthXF/DSCF4902.JPG (http://www.largeimagehost.com)
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/rhthXQ/DSCF4903.JPG (http://www.largeimagehost.com)

Some more concepts for you to judge. I want the minos to be as bull-like (bullish?) as possible to avoid the GW-syndrome-of-horribly-disfigured-Minotaurs. Really, when you look at those faces you want to cry...

75hastings69
24-07-2007, 19:36
Ok first off I am loving the mace ;)

I couldn't agree more about GWs Minotaurs, these concepts of yours are much more like what we should be seeing. Again great work.

I'll be really excited when you get round to sculpting these!

Did you ever consider doing an oversized mace, one that the end is so heafty it is dragged along the floor? (I first saw that image in some REALLY old GW art work, it was a monk dragging an oversized mace behind himself, with 2 fingers raised on the opposite hand, in a blessing type gesture).

Siromcyre
26-07-2007, 12:17
some very cool ideas. 5 stars

synapse
26-07-2007, 15:46
i think the weapons are a bit too ogre-like, though they do look great! id try something a bit different like, the labrys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrys).

i really am looking forward to seeing these!

beefpizza
26-07-2007, 16:28
This is some really nice artwork, your lines invoke movement and also clarity. From pure drawing skill, these are excellent!

I've seen your sculpting work on other threads and your style is great. I would like to give you some advise though (from one sculptor to another). Like me, your sculpting is very precise and thought of. Now that's good, bot sometimes it looks too "scientific" and lacks artist interpretation. Again this is something I do and have to correct myself a lot.
I would just like to see you explore, in your sculpting, more dynamism and freedom.

Just some things to encourage you, but even if you don't change anything, your work is amazing!

His Master's Voice
26-07-2007, 16:46
Ok first off I am loving the mace ;)

I couldn't agree more about GWs Minotaurs, these concepts of yours are much more like what we should be seeing. Again great work.

I'll be really excited when you get round to sculpting these!

Did you ever consider doing an oversized mace, one that the end is so heafty it is dragged along the floor? (I first saw that image in some REALLY old GW art work, it was a monk dragging an over sized mace behind himself, with 2 fingers raised on the opposite hand, in a blessing type gesture).

I think I've seen that mini on the net once... Not really suitable for Minotaurs (as the mace would have to be the size of a small cow) but a very good idea for a Gobbo or Orc. Hmmm...


i think the weapons are a bit too ogre-like, though they do look great! id try something a bit different like, the labrys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrys).

i really am looking forward to seeing these!

I've included one two-headed axe in the concepts though it kinda disappears in the mass. The champion deserves a special weapon so you might have your wish granted. Well see...


This is some really nice artwork, your lines invoke movement and also clarity. From pure drawing skill, these are excellent!

I've seen your sculpting work on other threads and your style is great. I would like to give you some advise though (from one sculptor to another). Like me, your sculpting is very precise and thought of. Now that's good, bot sometimes it looks too "scientific" and lacks artist interpretation. Again this is something I do and have to correct myself a lot.
I would just like to see you explore, in your sculpting, more dynamism and freedom.

Just some things to encourage you, but even if you don't change anything, your work is amazing!

The lack of artistic interpretation is deliberate. I have to learn the basics before I can extrapolate into my own, artistic feel. Thats why I try to be as accurate and precise as possible within the boundaries of 28 mm sculpting. But I fully understand your thoughts and appreciate your concern. It helps to have someone providing giving constructive criticism.

mrtn
26-07-2007, 17:47
Really nice sketches!
You might be interested (as you thought about casting them, right?) in that a lot of Beastmen generals use Great Weapons almost all the time.

His Master's Voice
26-07-2007, 19:52
Really nice sketches!
You might be interested (as you thought about casting them, right?) in that a lot of Beastmen generals use Great Weapons almost all the time.

Funny that you mention it since I've visited multiple WFB tactic forums, Warseer's among them, and realized that the most common Minotaur unit used is indeed armed with Great Weapons and marked with the mark of Khorne. Giving them GW will be easy, making them look khornish without infringing GeeDub IP policy will be a tad bit more complicated;)

Punk_in_Drublic
26-07-2007, 21:11
Nah, you don't need to mark in any way. If you consider casting them (which you should look into btw), best keep them vanilla. People can always paint them up or add icons/make weapon swaps. The other popular option is mark of nurgle for that 4+ armour save. Are you planning on makin god spesific tauries? Anyhoo, i ndon't think you need to bother with the two hand weapons ;)

Later,

-Punk

His Master's Voice
27-07-2007, 12:09
My tools and GS just arrived. Expect first pics tomorrow... just don't expect finished pieces :D

CMDante
27-07-2007, 15:32
Can't wait to see the finished products. From looking at your other posts you have a great talent for sculpting anatomy so I'm sure these guys will look top notch!

Cheers,

Dante

Firestorm Falcon
28-07-2007, 00:24
The concepts look really promising, I'm tense with anticipation of the real thing.

His Master's Voice
28-07-2007, 19:39
First update with real sculpting. Not much but since I promised, here it goes...

http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hFcXFr/DSCF5009.JPG (http://www.largeimagehost.com)
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hFcXFs/DSCF5010.JPG (http://www.largeimagehost.com)
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hFcXUF/DSCF5011.JPG (http://www.largeimagehost.com)
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hFcXUQ/DSCF5012.JPG (http://www.largeimagehost.com)

His Master's Voice
28-07-2007, 19:42
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hFcXUX/DSCF5013.JPG (http://www.largeimagehost.com)

athamas
28-07-2007, 20:11
wow, gona have to pay attention to this as it work gets done, i personally hate the GW Minotaurs,

if you can get them to turn out anything like the sketchs they will be brilliant!

His Master's Voice
29-07-2007, 17:20
Update!
This time around something that is actually recognizable...

http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hFsXQX/DSCF5023.JPG (http://www.largeimagehost.com)
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hFsXQr/DSCF5024.JPG (http://www.largeimagehost.com)
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hFsXQs/DSCF5025.JPG (http://www.largeimagehost.com)

sanctusmortis
29-07-2007, 18:18
Your musculature work is ridiculously good. I'd bow, but I'd bust a few ribs on the desk and hurt my head on the keyboard...

pjc
29-07-2007, 18:40
wow, i actually cant think of words to describe it
im pissin myself waiting for the head
god and the weapons
your threads hv got me interested n sculpting
iv noticed previously youve used gs but for these youve gone for brown
what would you say the good and bad points of both are?

His Master's Voice
29-07-2007, 19:59
Green Stuff
pros:
-cheap
-sets long so you have a lot of time for getting detail right
cons:
-it swells when it sets. This makes fine detail less distinct.

Brown Stuff
pros:
-much better at getting detail
cons:
-sets faster
-more expensive

75hastings69
29-07-2007, 21:12
Why don't you try pro-create? I hear good things about it.

I can't wait to see progress with this, IMO Minotaurs are GWs weakest line of minis (apart from all Trish Morrisons recent stuff) and desperately need replaced (along with Savage Orcs, Boar Boyz, and Empire Knights!!!).

This is shaping up to be a great thread, and an even better project!

sanctusmortis
29-07-2007, 21:31
When I actually get the green light to re-begin the hobby proper, I'll be trying Pro-Create. GS never was my thing; hard to blend, too bouncy and sticky, and I hear this other stuff's right up my street. Plus, Ģ5 a pack on eBay minus delivery...

Firestorm Falcon
29-07-2007, 22:59
Very, very, very good work on the minator's muscles, already infinitely better than the GW models.

BattleofLund
29-07-2007, 22:59
Very toned, very clean. And that, of course, is bad. Or would be, if 'healthy' and 'clean-limbed' was your aimed-for goal. Which it isn't, HMV, right? Say it isn't so! Say we will see some dirty degradation and murderous monstrosities!

Yep, yer sculpting makes me poetrious. Get going, I wanna see your hoofs. Hooves? Foot-bits.

His Master's Voice
30-07-2007, 11:12
You want veins, scars and sharp stuff sticking out of the muscles? You'll get that, no worries :D

http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hUUcUs/DSCF5026.JPG

His Master's Voice
30-07-2007, 13:45
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hUUcQF/DSCF5027.JPG
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hUUcQQ/DSCF5028.JPG
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hUUcQX/DSCF5029.JPG
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hUUcQr/DSCF5030.JPG

75hastings69
30-07-2007, 13:49
Already looks better than the GW minotaurs. Can't wait to see the head. Are you doing the armoured or unarmoured first?

His Master's Voice
30-07-2007, 13:52
The unarmoured versions are going to be first. Adding armour will be easy when I finish the "naked" versions.

synapse
30-07-2007, 14:18
amazing stuff! looking forward to the chaosification!

CMDante
30-07-2007, 14:38
I'll defo be buying some of these when you cast them ;)

Looking good so far, keep it up!

Cheers,

Dante

Huw_Dawson
30-07-2007, 15:25
LOVELY sculpting there.

Out of interest, is "Brown Stuff" and Milliput's Terracotta coloured epoxy putty the same thing? I have some of that at home so I would be pleased if this was the case. :p

- Huw

Boss_Salvage
30-07-2007, 16:18
Looking rock solid, the next update should be quite interesting - meaty arms, heads, weapons ... :D

Your sketches are great HMV, I too would think about throwing in for some of these minos should they be cast. How big you shooting for, about the same size as GeeDub's?

- Salvage

His Master's Voice
30-07-2007, 17:04
How big you shooting for, about the same size as GeeDub's?

- Salvage

Yeah, something like that... almost the same size... almost. Heck, here's a comparison shot...

Just don't scream...

http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hUQFcX/DSCF5033.JPG

Firestorm Falcon
30-07-2007, 18:15
That is huge, Nice beastman by the way.

sanctusmortis
30-07-2007, 20:10
:eek:

That's HUGE. Freakily huge.

EXCELLENT!

Boss_Salvage
30-07-2007, 20:14
*squeels with delight*


Erm ... :angel:

- Salvage

Heru Talon
30-07-2007, 20:46
Fracking thing is the size of a Trow (http://perso.orange.fr/agerodol/nikilsland/images/trow.GIF) jeeze...

pjc
31-07-2007, 00:20
JESUS thats massive!
they are going to be almost the size of shraggoth!

Aquilla
31-07-2007, 10:00
Amazing!
I love it!

CMDante
31-07-2007, 12:20
Ooooh, a bit big for my liking.... though you could always turn this one into a blood thirster and then make some smaller mino's? :D

Cheers,

Dante

Neknoh
31-07-2007, 12:26
This should be a doombull, anything less would be unworthy

Muffe
31-07-2007, 12:36
I think I have to agree with CMDante here. I feel its abit to big to be an ordinary minatour, maybe the Doom bull.

but on the sculpting side its awesome

Siromcyre
31-07-2007, 13:08
mm, mighty large. perhaps too large, but this is a game of fantasy after all!

His Master's Voice
31-07-2007, 17:47
Cowards! Stop your whining! True followers of chaos value size and strength above all!

Seriously now, he's just a test piece to check out different ideas. Rank and file minos won't be that big, though they'll surely be bigger than GeeDub's minos. When I come around to sculpting a Doombull, he's prolly going to be as big as this guy but I want him (the Doombull, that is..) to be as good as I could possibly manage, so he's last in the line...

And now (drumroll) TADADADADADADADAM... Update!

http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hUtsQX/DSCF5035.JPG
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hUtsQr/DSCF5036.JPG
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hUtsQs/DSCF5037.JPG
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hUtseF/DSCF5038.JPG

His Master's Voice
31-07-2007, 17:48
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hUtseQ/DSCF5040.JPG
http://www.largeimagehost.com/HL/hUtseX/DSCF5041.JPG

Gonfrask
31-07-2007, 17:59
Ey...it is a gigant beastman, thatīs all. Nice work!

sanctusmortis
31-07-2007, 19:29
Just...

Look, stop being so good, okay? We lack the amount of superlatives!

Punk_in_Drublic
31-07-2007, 23:37
I want to chime in with the others about the size issue. as it stands now (hurr hurr) he's a bit on the tall side. He's like halfway between mino and giant. Remember that when you cast these for us to make minotaur themed beast armies, we don't want them to dwarf absolutely all our other miniatures.

Now I really like the direction you're taking this, with the lean killing machine look. I can't wait for the weapons and fur details to be added. Will you go more feral and add lots of skulls, feather, totems and charms and stuff, or let them have more of a disiplined military look?

Later,

-Punk

TheOverlord
01-08-2007, 12:33
It's not the size that matters....

...

What the hell am I talking about? It's ALL about the size!
Awesomely awesome good mino! Keep it that size! It can be a beastmen giant thing of doom! Make like a whole horde of them :D Not sure if that's legal gamewise.... but I would honestly play that army anytime twice on sunday :D

Ubercarp
01-08-2007, 14:24
The quality of you work is great. I have a quick comment on the design though. The face seems a little passive. Shouldn't he be braying/roaring/yelling?

Siromcyre
02-08-2007, 12:55
I think a few things should be changed:

x needs bigger traps (hell, mine are bigger)
x should be slightly hunched to accentuate traps
x probably bigger rear tricep heads
x prob bigger front delt heads as well.

um, thats my two cents in regards to build, your knowledge of anatomy is admirable.

Zodiac
03-08-2007, 13:32
I just came back from my vacation, and was looking through a couple of logs and found this.. I can still remember the first log you had, the berzerkers and beastmen. And what I also remember is that I absolutely loved the beastmen I saw in there.. I thought I had never seen nicer beastmen anywhere, but you proved me wrong :D. And thank god for that! These beasts are something to be proud of, and when you cast em.. I'll be buying :D

eyeolas
13-08-2007, 09:43
Would you sell me one? :P

It is soo cool, and I'm sure he'll get better

His Master's Voice
14-08-2007, 16:50
Hi

Sorry for the long silence but I had a general overhaul of my house recently and, as sculpting is not the easiest thing in the first place, I had to take a break from my mino. But since the bricks stopped flying around my head I'll be posting some updates tomorrow. Expect some rough armour plates and maybe a weapon. 'Till then, visit my other thread here

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72643&page=8

to view my latest painting attempts.

Khorghan
10-10-2007, 23:58
HELP!!! i can only see the first 4, everything else doesent show the picture-the problem is the 1st batch of sketches were so amazing i want more!

can someone help please?

ExquisiteEvil
11-10-2007, 00:35
HELP!!! i can only see the first 4, everything else doesent show the picture-the problem is the 1st batch of sketches were so amazing i want more!

can someone help please?

arghh!

I have the same problem!

His Master's Voice
11-10-2007, 00:53
Remain calm, I'll have the pictures up and running on friday.

Siromcyre
11-10-2007, 03:12
thats what you said last year.

His Master's Voice
11-10-2007, 10:37
I mean the pictures that disappeared. As I said in my other thread there will be no more minotaur pictures anywhere untill they are ready to be released.

Khorghan
11-10-2007, 21:57
I can see the pics now, good stuff

no more mino pics until theyre ready to be reaesed??
what does that mean?

Witchfire
12-10-2007, 22:39
theres no emoticon to describle the awesomeness of those taurs