PDA

View Full Version : Upcoming GW Price Reductions



ChaosMaster
25-07-2007, 20:41
As many of you may have noticed, the new plastic Chaos Terminators are $40 US per box rather than the $50 US currently charged for Imperial Space Marine Terminators, with similarly lower prices in other currencies in other countries where this product is sold. This foreshadows price reductions on several GW products coming in the near future and I have been informed that price reductions are definitely coming.

However, except for the obvious case of the Space Marine Terminators, I have been unable to learn any further details of which products will be coming down in price nor have I been able to learn approximately when these price reductions will take place. As others on this forum are able to learn more details about the upcoming price reductions from GW, please post them here for the benefit of other GW customers. If possible, please avoid posting speculation and rumor, please post only actual information in order to keep this thread as useful and informative as possible. You might just save your fellow gamers some money. Thanks! ;)

Templar Ben
25-07-2007, 21:01
Can you share your source?

dean
25-07-2007, 21:07
The release schedule PDF?

Edit: Oh... the "unamed source".

Templar Ben
25-07-2007, 21:10
This foreshadows price reductions on several GW products coming in the near future and I have been informed that price reductions are definitely coming.

This is to what I was referring.

Gaius_Baltar
25-07-2007, 21:11
They better lower the prices in Canada. We're paying 25-50% more on everything GW than any other country.

kermit
25-07-2007, 21:11
Yes, they are going to have to do something...

Here in Canada we are paying $75CDN for the Battle for MacCragge set... when I can go to somewhere in the States and buy it for $45US... with the exchange rates these days that equates to less than $50CDN...

Where is the extra $25 going?

Some guy (UK)
25-07-2007, 21:12
As many of you may have noticed, the new plastic Chaos Terminators are $40 US per box rather than the $50 US currently charged for Imperial Space Marine Terminators, with similarly lower prices in other currencies in other countries where this product is sold. This foreshadows price reductions on several GW products coming in the near future and I have been informed that price reductions are definitely coming.


I hope this means reductions on products currently out, and not just the odd price reduction on units re-made in plastic.

Darnok
25-07-2007, 21:14
I would love it, as would most people. But we have to wait and see what's behind this.

Thoth62
25-07-2007, 21:15
I think there's evidence that upcoming products will take the exchange rate more into account. For example, the Baneblade is being priced at $95 both in Canada and the US.

starlight
25-07-2007, 21:22
Exchange rate? Oh you mean *PAR*... :p

If it comes out for Apocalypse (which would be an odd coincidence;)), it'll be sure to drive sales up.:D

Now if only we could get lists of what was actually *in* the Apocalypse releases, now that we have names and prices...:angel:

Crazy Harborc
25-07-2007, 21:43
That (select price lowering) has been done by GW at least once before. It's been in the last eight years if my ol' brain is working correctly. HOWEVER at the same time many, many other items were increased in price. Far more went up than went down.

That said.......I really do want to be wrong in what I expect will happen. A few go down and the rest go up. OR it could all be a "package price tag" going down because LESS will be in the blister or box. THAT is called a unit price increase.;)

insaniak
25-07-2007, 22:47
They better lower the prices in Canada. We're paying 25-50% more on everything GW than any other country.

Uh... you're paying around 10% less than us here in Oz...

Son of the Lion
25-07-2007, 23:42
And less than the UK. So back of the queue please....

insaniak
26-07-2007, 00:03
Sorry, who's paying less than the UK?

I can buy through UK mail order, pay for shipping halfway around the world, and still wind up paying around 20% less than buying from GW Oz...

About the only things the UK pay more for are the starter boxes (BFM, BFSP)... because they have more of a captive audience and don't have to offer them at the huge discount the rest of the world gets on them.

MegaMale
26-07-2007, 00:09
as far as i can tell the new releases are completey in line with the current range price wise , so for example the chaos terminators are £25 ,which works out at $50 ,which is the same as the imperial ones , its the same accross the uk chaos release .10 chaos marines costs the same as ten imperial marines etc etc

but i buy from a uk ebay store called A and M models , and they do discounts and free postage in the uk so i save loads .

Son of the Lion
26-07-2007, 00:28
Sorry, the specific example was Battle for Macragge. And..


They better lower the prices in Canada. We're paying 25-50% more on everything GW than any other country.


And I was simply pointing out that is a bit of an exaggeration.

Gaius_Baltar
26-07-2007, 01:08
And I was simply pointing out that is a bit of an exaggeration.

For a Chimera here in Canada, it's $50, the U.S it's $35 which is about $37 Canadian. That's more than 25%, and some things are much more.

I'm not saying that we don't pay less than you do in Australia, I'm saying that it's unfair that we have to pay a fair amount more than anyone else for no reason, and you pointed out that it's the same thing for Australia.

Well if the priced don't change when apocalypse comes out so that we're paying what someone south of the border would, then I'm ordering from The War Store, because as Son of the Lion said, it's cheaper to order fron an other country and pay the extra for shiping, pluss the taxes and tarrifs than to go down to the local GW.

zodgrim
26-07-2007, 01:13
What if there are only 4 Chaos terminators in the box?

CarlostheCraven
26-07-2007, 01:21
Hi

I would also be buying from the States right now - most likely, the War Store - if I didn't firmly believe in paying where I play. Not the most economically rational belief to be sure, but from a socially rational standpoint, it is really the only choice to make.

On many items, it is about even for a FLGS to order from the War Store than from GW Canada, even with possible customs and shipping being factored in.

E.g. - BfM - $45 US - $36 from the War Store - $37.50 Canadian - EDIT $50 US, 40 from the War Store, 41.66 CaD;
In Canada BfM - $75 retail = $45 cost for FLGS (0.6) - that allows for $7.50 (Edit $3.33) in freight and customs per box.

Something is seriously wrong when Canadian customers can buy things cheaper than a FLGS...

Cheers,
Carlos the Craven

Gaius_Baltar
26-07-2007, 01:26
BfM is $45 in the U.S?! We're paying $75.. We're paying 155% of the U.S price..

CarlostheCraven
26-07-2007, 01:36
Hi

It was the last time I checked... just a second...

Oops, its up to $50.

That is still $40 from the War Store, which is 41.66 CaD. My argument still stands.

More examples, the War Store in CaD VS FLGS cost
New Devastators - $29.16 VS $30 ($50 retail)
Marine Mega Force - $145.83 VS $150 (250 retail)
Battle Force - $75 VS $78 (130 retail) - darn I thought that the FLGS might win that one...
Lets not even talk about Shadowsun... or shall we... $20.83 VS $27 (45 retail)


Cheers,
Carlos the Craven

insaniak
26-07-2007, 02:00
I'm not saying that we don't pay less than you do in Australia,

Well, actually, you did:


We're paying 25-50% more on everything GW than any other country.


;)

Gaius_Baltar
26-07-2007, 02:04
Well, actually, you did:
;)
WEll.... That was before you said Australia pays 10% more than Canada.

ChaosMaster
26-07-2007, 02:43
What if there are only 4 Chaos terminators in the box?This is not the case. I see that in spite of the point of this thread, it's already gone way off topic.

The new Chaos Terminators are $40 US for 5 models. The price of the Imperial Terminators will likely follow when upcoming price reductions are enacted. GW sources, at least two, have told me that there are price reductions coming. Again, however, there has been no announcement about when this will happen or what other existing product will be reduced in price. The point of this thread was to track this information as it becomes available, not whinge about current prices or speculate wildly about things that clearly aren't likely. Can we stay on topic, please? Thanks! :)

spaint2k
26-07-2007, 04:08
GW Canada is using exchange rates from years ago. When I was in Montreal the dollar was about 1.7 to the US dollar, and GW's rates actually saved us money based on the US dollar price. Of course, we promptly lost any saving thanks to Quebec's double tax.

Steve

fsssh
26-07-2007, 08:36
I live in the UK and would like to share this:

BFM box set (not full hobby set) is 40 pounds, inc vat (sales tax) in the uk direct from GW.

Thats roughly 82 US dollars or 85 canadian, on direct conversion on xe.com

insaniak
26-07-2007, 08:58
BFM box set (not full hobby set) is 40 pounds, inc vat (sales tax) in the uk direct from GW.
Thats roughly 82 US dollars or 85 canadian, on direct conversion on xe.com

Now pick anything else from the 40K range, and compare its UK price to Canada's... ;)


As I already mentioned, the BFM and BFSP sets are priced differently in the UK. The rest of the world gets them discounted.

But for the rest of the range, it's a different story.

Osbad
26-07-2007, 09:30
To get back to the topic of the thread which was price reductions not an intercontinental price comparison...

I have heard no rumours of any price reductions, but then I'm not as "in the loop" as I once was, as I don't interact with GW very much these days. On the other hand, a couple of years back wasn't there this big announcement that there will be "price adjustments" only once a year in July (in the US)? Well, July's nearly over and I may be wrong, but I can't remember any price hikes being commented on recently. Unless I missed them.

An absence of an expected increase is in effect therefore a decrease. In a sense.

booshanker1
26-07-2007, 11:29
as much i would love cheaper models , i cant see GW cutting prices ? its just not a GW thing to do .

Aundae
26-07-2007, 12:19
Iíll believe it when I see it. In the mean time, I have warjack that needs painting.

Cacodemon
26-07-2007, 12:20
At least here in scandinavia they just reduced the price of all 17,5€ boxes and blisters (including the new Empire and Dark Angel boxes) to 20€, hooray! Hey, just wait a minute...

MacVurrich
26-07-2007, 13:02
Quick comparsion

£ UK online store Price
$ US Online store Price
RAtio exchange

Space Marine Commander (1 model) £10.00 $15.00 1.50
Space Marine Chaplain with jump pack (1 figure) £8.00 $15.00 1.88
Space Marine Chaplain £7.00 $12.00 1.71
Space Marine Terminator Captain (1 model) £8.00 $15.00 1.88
Space Marine Command Squad (5 models) £18.00 $35.00 1.94
Space Marine Terminator Chaplain £8.00 $15.00 1.88
Space Marine Chaplain on Bike £12.00 $25.00 2.08
Space Marine Techmarine And Servitors (5 models) £15.00 $35.00 2.33
Space Marine Veterans (5 models) £15.00 $15.00 1.00
Space Marine Venerable Dreadnought (1 figure) £35.00 $50.00 1.43
Space Marine Terminator Squad (5 models) £25.00 $50.00 2.00
Space Marine Tactical Squad (10 models) £18.00 $35.00 1.94
Space Marine Combat Squad (5 model) £10.00 $20.00 2.00
Space Marine Scout Squad (5 models) £12.00 $20.00 1.67
Space Marine Scouts with Sniper Rifles (5 figures) £12.00 $25.00 2.08
Space Marine Bike Squadron (3 models) £18.00 $45.00 2.50
Space Marine Bike (1 model) £7.00 $15.00 2.14
Space Marine Attack Bike MK2 £12.00 $25.00 2.08
Space Marine Assault Squad (5 models) £15.00 $25.00 1.67
Space Marine Land Raider £35.00 $55.00 1.57
Space Marine Land Raider Crusader £40.00 $60.00 1.50
Space Marine Vindicator £30.00 $45.00 1.50
Space Marine Predator Tank £25.00 $40.00 1.60


HMRC current month FX rate 1.9929
£ US online store in GBP £
$ UK online Store is USD $
Space Marine Commander (1 model) £8.00 $20.00
Space Marine Chaplain with jump pack (1 figure) £8.00 $16.00
Space Marine Chaplain £7.00 $14.00
Space Marine Terminator Captain (1 model) £8.00 $16.00
Space Marine Command Squad (5 models) £18.00 $36.00
Space Marine Terminator Chaplain £8.00 $16.00
Space Marine Chaplain on Bike £13.00 $24.00
Space Marine Techmarine And Servitors (5 models) £18.00 $30.00
Space Marine Veterans (5 models) £8.00 $30.00
Space Marine Venerable Dreadnought (1 figure) £26.00 $70.00
Space Marine Terminator Squad (5 models) £26.00 $50.00
Space Marine Tactical Squad (10 models) £18.00 $36.00
Space Marine Combat Squad (5 model) £11.00 $20.00
Space Marine Scout Squad (5 models) £11.00 $24.00
Space Marine Scouts with Sniper Rifles (5 figures) £13.00 $24.00
Space Marine Bike Squadron (3 models) £23.00 $36.00
Space Marine Bike (1 model) £8.00 $14.00
Space Marine Attack Bike MK2 £13.00 $24.00
Space Marine Assault Squad (5 models) £13.00 $30.00
Space Marine Land Raider £28.00 $70.00
Space Marine Land Raider Crusader £31.00 $80.00
Space Marine Vindicator £23.00 $60.00
Space Marine Predator Tank £21.00 $50.00

CarlostheCraven
26-07-2007, 13:17
Hi

I don't see prices going down anytime soon. We can hope for a price freeze.

In Canada there were no direct price increases. However...

The new style metal dwarf releases
Old Box of 10, generally no command - $45 Cad; command blister $16
5 Man command box - $30 CaD
5 Man rank and file box - $25 Cad
Therefore 10 w/ command - $55 - a $6 decrease - we win
10 rank and file - 50 Cad - we lose by 5 bucks
Over a unit of 20 - a $9 price increase

Meh

Cheers,
Carlos the Craven

Fist of Terra
26-07-2007, 13:25
Not going to happen.

Our dollar is the highest it's been in 30 years and practically on par with the US and GW is still squeezing the life out of us. I'm buying tons of brand new Empire stuff on Ebay for next to nothing now that the dollar is so strong. GW has always been ruthless to Canada with its pricing. With the current and consistent strength of our dollar it's just plain insulting:

Ludwig Swarzhelm 40.00 CDN

Ludwig Swarzhelm 25.00 US!!!!!!!!!!

37% difference in price! Please justify that!

crandall87
26-07-2007, 13:38
The title of this thread alone is making me laugh. I hope it's true that would be brilliant. Not GWs style.

Vic
26-07-2007, 14:31
Well, July's nearly over and I may be wrong, but I can't remember any price hikes being commented on recently. Unless I missed them.

An absence of an expected increase is in effect therefore a decrease. In a sense.


There was a price hike on 'dexes and the BFM box and a few other things as of July 9 this year. Ya missed the boat son ;)

Osbad
26-07-2007, 14:35
There was a price hike on 'dexes and the BFM box and a few other things as of July 9 this year. Ya missed the boat son ;)

OK. That figures.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
26-07-2007, 15:29
Thing to look at is the exchange rate of GBP and Canadian Dollar, then GBP and USD.

Last time I looked, the USF was pretty much two for one against the pound, thanks to the US and it's seemingly flagging economy.

Huw_Dawson
26-07-2007, 15:40
Actually, I heard that it was more due to a strong Chinese economy that was damaging the dollar.

The good thing about this is that £-US$ transfer is the easiest thing in the world now! :D
- Huw

grickherder
26-07-2007, 15:49
I think that if there is a price reduction, it will be in the form of a reorganization of the product where you are actually paying more. Like when they said that the white metal switch years ago would not change prices and then put two models in each blister instead of 3.

SKU: 05043 Contained 3 models for $10, now will have 2 for $8 -- yay! price decrease.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
26-07-2007, 15:56
Well, if your looking to be disappointed, I'm sure you will be.

But it seems (from what little we've seen so far, admittedly) that this is a genuine reduction.

Me? I'm hoping regiment sets go down to £15 again.

Templar Ben
26-07-2007, 16:00
But it seems (from what little we've seen so far, admittedly) that this is a genuine reduction.

What have you seen MDG?

Ohman
26-07-2007, 16:02
I havn't seen or heard anything that would indicate a global reduction in price. May I ask why the OP (Chaos Master) belive that this is happening? The fact that the Chaos Termies appear to be priced at $40 in the U.S isn't enough to convince me! Is this price even confirmed by GW? I sure havn't seen it in WD or on any of their websites.

Templar Ben
26-07-2007, 16:07
True. That could very well be a typographical error.

asmodai_dark86
26-07-2007, 16:09
I cant think of any regiment set out currently that *needs* to be redone for either 40k or fantasy (perhaps the silver helms... dark eldar perhaps) which is an incredible achievement but also means that these boxes have done well and are now paid for - what I mean is, the cost put into actually making the moulds, design, etc has been sorted. The sets are now making a substantial profit - especially space marines. I dont want to even think how many marines I've bought since that set came out.

A price reduction to 15 quid would encourage me not only to buy directly from GW (get me back in the store - which as a net savy vet is something I dont tend to do), but also try the other sets. I've owned most of the sets purely for the joy of the build, but I wouldnt mind picking up some orks for conversion, or a box of zombies (I always, ALWAYS have a box of zombies yet never an undead army. There just that damn good).

Wouldnt this make the battalions, like, over priced? In which case they'd have to slink down too...

Mad Doc Grotsnik
26-07-2007, 16:09
Well, the same the OP mentioned. If it's listed at less than Imperial Nermies, then we can hope.

As for Batallions, they just won't be the value they are at the moment, but they would still be a cheaper method of getting your army.

Take the Empire Reinforcements....before the new plastics that comprise it, the Flagellants alone would have set me back £50!

AFK in Life
26-07-2007, 16:52
There is a third option not discussed. This release schedule contains the minimum price for all goods for the US.

After a recent ruling from the supreme court http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/06pdf/06-480.pdf

Manufacturers can set a minimum price for a good and it can not be sold below this price. I would expect GW to start making use of this fact to start killing off the discount retailers in the US. They seem to have taken steps in the past to limit the ease with which discount retailers can operate in the states. Clearly being able to kill them off completely seems a logical move.

The price of 40$ US does seem pointless as that would be 20% off the current marine terminators, so it wouldn't affect the warstore, so here's hoping for across the board price cuts, but not expecting it :(.

P.S. Salamander 35$ CDN 22$ US (gw prices) :cries:

CarlostheCraven
26-07-2007, 18:05
Hi

@ Mad Doc Grotsnik

To be frank, the value of the British Pound amounts to squat when dealing with currency matters for Canada.

Canadian GW product is produced and shipped from the US. (even if HQ is in the UK)

Our closest neighbour and trading partner is the US.

For the vast majority of Canadian, myself included, the border is less than 2 hours away by car, and many have relatives that can ship "gifts" from the States, avoiding customs. Or if you are in Niagara or Windsor, setting up a P.O. box state side to receive shipments would not be too difficult or time consuming, if the dollar continues to increase without a recognition of this shift.

If GW was truly a savvy international company they would recognize the incredible competitive disadvantage they are imposing on both GW Canada and independant retailers in this country.

There needs to be some acknowledgement of the shift in currency value between Canada and the United States, or the continued health of GW in Canada will be placed in even more serious jeopardy.

Independant retailers and GW stores are the lifeblood that keeps the hobby alive - they provide that place where people can meet, play and discuss the hobby. I, for one, do not want Games Workshop in Canada to become a "basement battles" only type of hobby.

Cheers,
Carlos the Craven

erion
26-07-2007, 18:14
Chaos Termies are $40 US. it's in WD 331.

The Judge
26-07-2007, 18:47
But UK White Dwarf lists them as £25... so no price reduction for the UK?

Great.

forthegloryofkazadekrund
26-07-2007, 19:05
for retailers some of the trade prices will go down as of next month but from what i can see everything will be the same price and the chaos terminators will be £25.00, it is doubtful that gw will put prices down

an example of this is bfsp going from £22.83 down to around £19.00 trade price

ChaosMaster
26-07-2007, 20:15
To get back to the topic of the thread which was price reductions not an intercontinental price comparison...

I have heard no rumours of any price reductions, but then I'm not as "in the loop" as I once was, as I don't interact with GW very much these days. On the other hand, a couple of years back wasn't there this big announcement that there will be "price adjustments" only once a year in July (in the US)? Well, July's nearly over and I may be wrong, but I can't remember any price hikes being commented on recently. Unless I missed them.

An absence of an expected increase is in effect therefore a decrease. In a sense.There were price increases in July in the US. All Codex and Army books went up in price by $2 and the starter sets increased from $45 to $50.

That said, back to the topic of the thread, which as was kindly pointed out for me above, was NOT international price comparison. Clearly, there's not a lot of info about these price reductions out there yet. However, I still don't understand why it's impossible for so many people to post ON TOPIC or not at all. :confused:

It was my hope that when I put this price reduction information out here the other day, others would be interested, learn what they could, and share it here as they learned it, not hijack the thread with completely irrelevant comments. All I can say is, the moderators of this forum must really have their hands full. :cries:

Ohman
26-07-2007, 20:22
There were price increases in July in the US. All Codex and Army books went up in price by $2 and the starter sets increased from $45 to $50.

That said, back to the topic of the thread, which as was kindly pointed out for me above, was NOT international price comparison. Clearly, there's not a lot of info about these price reductions out there yet. However, I still don't understand why it's impossible for so many people to post ON TOPIC or not at all. :confused:

It was my hope that when I put this price reduction information out here the other day, others would be interested, learn what they could, and share it here as they learned it, not hijack the thread with completely irrelevant comments. All I can say is, the moderators of this forum must really have their hands full. :cries:

You speak of these price reductions as fact. I havn't seen any indications at all that GW are thinking of lowering their prices. The Imperial Vs Chaos Terminator price-thing doesn't fly. The Chaos termies cost the same as the loyalists where I live.

What makes you think that GW are about to lower their prices?

starlight
26-07-2007, 20:22
On the other hand, people know that if they don't contribute *something*, the Thread will simply drop off the radar as newer Threads with actual activity replace it.

As well, many people (like myself) have Warseer set to automatically subscribe to any Thread we respond to, thus responding keeps us in the loop.

I'm not sure why you expected *any* Thread about GW Prices to *not* turn out exactly the way this one did. It's happend every other time, and it will continue to happen every time...

Crube
26-07-2007, 20:39
I think I come down in the side of

It'll be nice if it happens, but I ain't holding my breath...

ChaosMaster
26-07-2007, 20:40
What makes you think that GW are about to lower their prices?I have had a few people at GW tell me that certain products were in line for a reduction, but as you know, details are only released to staff so far ahead of time, so no details yet. However, the price of the new Chaos Terminators, combined with the verbal information, is certainly a good indicator that I was not told utter lies, as I don't believe the price on the Imperial Terminators will stay where it is when a virtually identical new set is priced $10 (US) less.

That said, the purpose of this thread was merely intended as a place where users could report what they learned as more information on price reductions for existing product became available. Given the hostile reaction to the topic and the hostile comments about GW in general, I can see now it is apparently not possible. The one thing I don't understand is, why people who are so angry with GW about so many things, price being only one of them, even bother to continue with their product or reading and posting on this forum? But, that's a rhetorical question, and it is also off topic for this thread.

Anyway, if anyone who actually is interested in the topic of this thread is able to learn more, please post what you learn here and I will do the same, that is, if my enthusiasm for using the forum, which I only joined a few days ago, hasn't been destroyed by then by all the negativity and off-topic venting I see in this and so many other threads. :(

Some guy (UK)
26-07-2007, 20:50
But UK White Dwarf lists them as £25... so no price reduction for the UK?

Great.

Amazingly it is:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110102002&orignav=10

A £5 reduction once the plastics are released. Not bad.

Napoleon Blownapart
26-07-2007, 21:03
I agree, prices in Canada suck, no wonder it's even harder to get new players here. I myself ordered my whole 150 models empire army of BW bits, paying 350$ for something that would cost around 600$.
I din't pay taxes, or customs(beats me why).

GW is using rates from the 70's, as it stands the exchange rate is 1.05, not 150%+!

starlight
26-07-2007, 21:14
*Every* Canadian retailer I've spoken with has said the same thing. The single biggest obstacle to getting people to buy GW stuff is the price of entry. *Especially* in the Internet Age when the average GW gamer has internet access and can see just how cheap it is to buy things from the US or discounters...:(

dabiggrotsboss
26-07-2007, 21:50
... and many have relatives that can ship "gifts" from the States, avoiding customs. Carlos the Craven

I'll let you in on a little secret. Hobby Collectibles, which GW miniatures fall under, are DUTY FREE.



I din't pay taxes, or customs(beats me why).

GW is using rates from the 70's, as it stands the exchange rate is 1.05, not 150%+!

Once again. GW Hobby Collectibles are DUTY FREE.

And if GW was using rates from the 70's, the exchange would be... exactly what it is today! The dollar at 96ish cents was last this high in 1977.

GW is using rates from the 90s and early 2000s.


Given the hostile reaction to the topic and the hostile comments about GW in general, I can see now it is apparently not possible. The one thing I don't understand is, why people who are so angry with GW about so many things, price being only one of them, even bother to continue with their product or reading and posting on this forum? But, that's a rhetorical question, and it is also off topic for this thread.


It's just Warseer - Home of the Angry GW Hating Gamer Who Still Insists on Playing Those Games. :wtf:

Templar Ben
26-07-2007, 22:00
We prefer "No Spin Zone". LOL

Ohman
26-07-2007, 22:16
Well we are all hoping you are right of course, it just seems so unlikley. I do know one thing however. GW will, for the first time, implement a discount system for their european trade accounts. As of early august retailers can get a discount of up to 10% on their orders. At the same time the tradeprice for the LOTR range will be dropped to the same level as the 40k/fantasy products.

Hopefully this could carry over to the final customer. A lot of the online-stores will probably lower their prices when this takes effect, at least on their LOTR stuff. But most brick and mortar stores probably won't. This doesn't affect the recommended retailprice at all, but it's still good news to alot of people!

ChaosMaster
26-07-2007, 23:00
Thanks for the three posts above this one. You've restored my belief that there are some friendly people out there genuinely interested in the hobby and in posted topics.

Now that it's been a few weeks since I first heard the subject of certain existing product going down in price, I asked someone at a local GW store last night about it but no new or definitive info was available. I will keep my ears and eyes open for more information and provide it here as soon as I have something that seems reliable enough to be worthy of an update. If anyone else gets anything about this more solid than a mere rumor (rumour), please share. Thanks again!

Templar Ben
26-07-2007, 23:42
According to Memphis World of Battle, no word on prices going down.

CarlostheCraven
27-07-2007, 05:22
Hi

@ dabiggrotboss

I certainly do not hate GW, far from it. I love this hobby, every facet of it, though it took me a while to come around to the fluff and especially painting.

What I want to see is a competitive Canadian market, where independent retailers can hope to compete against quasi on-line discounter's like the warstore. If my local retailer loses $7 CaD matching the price of Commander Shadowsun, then things are rather bleak. This is an extreme example, but the Canadian retailer's cost is more than the American On-line retailer's price for customers. That is a losing proposition.

BTW, thanks for letting me know that GW products are DUTY FREE. It is too bad I won't be taking advantage of it anytime soon.

Also, do not double or triple post - use the edit button (a forum rule).

Cheers,
Carlos the Craven

ChrisLS
27-07-2007, 14:32
Chaos Termies are $40 US. it's in WD 331.

And WD listed prices have never been wrong... I am afraid I don't buy that one. Until they hit the shelves I am afraid I just don't believe it. Of course, it would make an enormous amount of sense to do so, but that could very well be why I don't believe GW would do it.

colmarekblack
27-07-2007, 15:07
GW reduce prices... hahahahahaha

Sorry to say it but it'll never happen along as we live.

GW is out to screw every £/$ out of us and they know we will cough up.

Asmith
27-07-2007, 15:09
Termies would be the place to start if they did it. They are probably the least for your money of any of the plastic sets.

starlight
27-07-2007, 16:13
GW reduce prices... hahahahahaha

Sorry to say it but it'll never happen along as we live.

GW is out to screw every £/$ out of us and they know we will cough up.

So the fact that they *have* reduced prices *many* times on a wide range of items over the last ten years means.....what? Many times during their price *adjustments*, they have had lists of all the items which went *down* in price, in addition to those which went up.

Your attitude is sadly imsinformed and unhelpful.:(

spaint2k
27-07-2007, 17:30
I'll let you in on a little secret. Hobby Collectibles, which GW miniatures fall under, are DUTY FREE.



Once again. GW Hobby Collectibles are DUTY FREE.



Someone needs to tell this to the overzealous turds who work at Canada Customs.

Steve

Zink
27-07-2007, 19:41
Right or not I've paid duty on my toys in the past. Not always but sometimes. I tend to ask people to mark it as less than $50 value because I've heard that's the cut off line for no duty.

grickherder
27-07-2007, 19:46
If they mark it as toys and as a gift, it can be up to $80 or so with not GST/Duty/whatever.

colmarekblack
27-07-2007, 19:55
So the fact that they *have* reduced prices *many* times on a wide range of items over the last ten years means.....what? Many times during their price *adjustments*, they have had lists of all the items which went *down* in price, in addition to those which went up.

Your attitude is sadly imsinformed and unhelpful.:(

Can you give an example of one product GW has reduced in price excluding the plastic chaos terminators?

Cause the only adjustments I have have been increase not decreases.

starlight
27-07-2007, 20:06
Battleforces. GW reduced the price from $130CDN to $110 CDN for several years before raising them again.

I (and others) have linked to lists on GW's own website in the past where they have published the adjustments, both up *and* down.

I'm dealing in facts, you're dealing in opinion. While you're welcome to your opinion, please do not present it as fact, which it is *not*.:D

Bob5000
27-07-2007, 20:25
I have to chirp in here and say that I have never seen a GW Store price reduction here in UK over the last few years that I have been playing .That may not be so in other parts of the world , but as far as I am aware , Colmarekblack is actually dealing in fact to the best of his / her knowledge and matches my experience .

colmarekblack
27-07-2007, 20:26
Battleforces. GW reduced the price from $130CDN to $110 CDN for several years before raising them again.

I (and others) have linked to lists on GW's own website in the past where they have published the adjustments, both up *and* down.

I'm dealing in facts, you're dealing in opinion. While you're welcome to your opinion, please do not present it as fact, which it is *not*.:D

Umm those prices do not apply to the UK were we have had no reductions just prices increases by as much as 140% in the past 5 years. Also the canadians are charged as much as 50% more than the yanks and brits for GW goods so that $20CND doesn't mean much when compared to other countries pricing.

Thoth62
27-07-2007, 20:35
Umm those prices do not apply to the UK were we have had no reductions just prices increases by as much as 140% in the past 5 years. Also the canadians are charged as much as 50% more than the yanks and brits for GW goods so that $20CND doesn't mean much when compared to other countries pricing.

So Starlight answers your question, and now you qualify that you were only asking about the UK?

It's not like we don't matter here in Canada, that $20 means a lot more than 'not much' to us. It doesn't matter how much more we actually do pay for it.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
27-07-2007, 20:36
Oooh! Oooh! Plastic Flagellants, Miners, and Black Orcs.

Whilst not strictly a price reduction on existing models, it has slashed the price of getting such a unit on the board.....

I mean, do you want to pay £35 for 10 Black Orcs, including Command, OR, do you want to pay £15.....and I know you cannot be that blinkered.

Same for the Flagellants I got. £50 for 20, or £20?

Bob5000
27-07-2007, 21:05
I am sure he can fight his own battles , but Colmarek did write

"Cause the only adjustments I have have been increase not decreases."
( I think he means that he has seen )

Son of the Lion
27-07-2007, 22:16
Colmarek may not have worded it properly, but he has a valid point - There's been a lot of (quite justifiable) raging about canadians being 'ripped off' by GW/customs on this thread, and how it's great to see price reductions. Yes, for anyone on that side of the pond. Good for you (No, really. I'm not being sarcastic). The UK (to the best of my knowledge)has not seen a price drop in years, if ever. Pessimistic as it may be, it's likely we never will either - not in any significant way ( I don't consider dropping the price of a metal range to compete with it's cheaper plastic counterpart significant, by the way)

So what mr Colmarek said was true, from a certain point of view.

And that's jedi wisdom, so there.

Bob5000
27-07-2007, 22:35
Many as the calls are for GW to drop prices to help the business , and of course there is logic to it , it would strangely concern me that it was an act of desperation , and be indicative of dire straits to about-turn on a seemingly set -in-stone pricing policy

Stuart-GreatEscapeGames
27-07-2007, 23:35
Yes, they are going to have to do something...

Here in Canada we are paying $75CDN for the Battle for MacCragge set... when I can go to somewhere in the States and buy it for $45US... with the exchange rates these days that equates to less than $50CDN...

Where is the extra $25 going?

Each GW company (i.e. country) sets its own prices.

the_dark_sarge
27-07-2007, 23:49
well you would think they would adjust australias prices the way the aussie dollar is going, i mean the way its going by christmas it could be almost equal with the US dollar but we still have to pay way way more

cheers,
kieran

ChaosMaster
29-07-2007, 05:13
A friend of mine who owns an independent game store that carries GW products confirmed for me today that there will be some lower price point shifts on certain GW products coming in the near future. Additionally, the $40 price on the new plastic Chaos Terminators is not a White Dwarf misprint, that price is already listed as the list selling price in the trade sales brochure for retailers and it's being quoted by GW employees. Also, it is interesting to note that it appears the new Land Raider Terminus Pattern will be $50 US, not $55 like the current Land Raider. Still, I'd like to have more details, but I guess I'll have to wait a bit longer. Just more anticipation to go with my anxiousness to get my hands on all the great new Chaos and Codex Apocalypse models!

grickherder
29-07-2007, 05:52
Hey, if GW realised that they went to far with price increases, I'm all for a little back peddling.

ChrisLS
29-07-2007, 06:05
Well, all I can say is that I am highly surprised - perhaps an attack of common sense at last. Sad that it came too late for my career with them.

grickherder
29-07-2007, 06:15
It mostly comes too late for me as well-- though I may pick up some more LOTR stuff if the price on that goes down.

starlight
29-07-2007, 07:02
*wants to know what's in the packages!!!*

Hellebore
29-07-2007, 07:39
Well, all I can say is that I am highly surprised - perhaps an attack of common sense at last. Sad that it came too late for my career with them.

Well to sound a little blunt: who cares about you?

Seriously, if they marketed their stuff on the one or two people that say 'well, too late for me' they'd go out of business.

There will be plenty of snot nosed noobs coming along who won't have to take a 3rd mortgage out on their last kidney to buy an army, and they will more than make up for the people who shake their head with a knowing sigh and wry smile saying "GW are too late for me, yessiree they are."

Hellebore

Vic
29-07-2007, 13:15
as an example:
I've got a 12 year old nephew and a 7 year old daughter chomping on the bit to start their own armies. Maybe the price reduction will be enough for my nephew to get his own army now......

Stella Cadente
29-07-2007, 13:18
I dunno if its been mentioned, but UK buyers hoping for Cheaper Chaos Terminators should stop hoping, there gonna be £25 like the marine ones according to the price lice in White Dwarf, I only say so because I remember the topic starting over them.

Some guy (UK)
29-07-2007, 13:24
Which is a £5 discount from the current metal models. I wouldn't have expected them to be less than the current plastic SM Terminators anyway.

The Judge
29-07-2007, 13:59
Okay, so the new plastics are five pound cheaper than the metals... for the first time ever it seems the plastics are cheaper than metals! (grossly exaggerated sarcasm).

I'm glad they didn't try to charge more for the plastic Chaos Termies really, they could have charged £30 and I would not have been surprised.

If this is a *price reduction* though, wow.

noneedforaname
29-07-2007, 14:28
simply put, if it was metal and goes into plastic it will either be half the previous cost (roughly) or you will get twice as much.

two examples

pistoliers

in metal £30 for 5 : in plastic £12 for 5

chaos spawn

in metal £15 for one : in plastic £15 for 2

also if you have the good sense to resist lots of small purchases and buy big boxes or you work together in your hobby communities (shock horror) and combine your purchases then you can save more money.

As for saying screw GW ill buy from an independent stockist because its cheaper, GW make more profit from independent retailers then they do from one of there dedicated stores.

VetSgtNamaan
29-07-2007, 14:57
I honestly do not care about how much money GW makes I just want more parity between US and Canadian prices. SO if thier new boxes sets have closer pricing then I will buy locally if not then I will be buying online. No real difference either way I still get my stuff and GW gets its money.

Finnigan2004
29-07-2007, 15:02
I saw the title and checked the date-- it's still a little early for April Fools. Seriously though, I do agree with the call for parity between Canadian and American. I have found over the last year that I shop from American or British sellers on ebay, which saves me lots of money because they pay far less for their initial purchase than Canadians. If a reduction happens, I really think it's a great idea for GW-- the prices on some things have gotten out of control. I think that in future, they need to evaluate the worth of each item individually, rather than just raising everything with a particular code. This would control at least some of the anomalies. I live near VetSgtNamaan, and probably shop in the same stores. I love the owners, like to support the businesses, but can't justify some of the disparities in price. Until there is more parity, I will continue to buy my comics and game books in store and use the internet for half priced models.

Huw_Dawson
29-07-2007, 15:44
Well, this probably means the inevitable buisness change has happened. A centeralisation of the price range. About time too.

- Huw

ChrisLS
29-07-2007, 16:57
Well to sound a little blunt: who cares about you?

Seriously, if they marketed their stuff on the one or two people that say 'well, too late for me' they'd go out of business.

Note that I was making an aside about my CAREER with GW, which ended earlier this month, and the apparent attack of common sense that MAY be taking place. I left GW (or more accurately was forced out) because management essentially ignored any feedback or information that conflicted with their preconceived notions - notions like "our customers don't care about price". I made my feelings about other widely held notions all too clear and they got tired of hearing it, just as I got tired of saying it and living with the consequences of those notions.

But to answer your question, I don't think anyone cares about my situation apart from my family and friends. I was only saying that I wish there had been a common sense outbreak before management had decided I was not worth keeping around. Of course, now I'm getting paid more, have much lower stress, and am actually given the resources I need to accomplish my job.

I would appreciate it if you would take the time to read posts more carefully before firing off a snarky reply.

grickherder
29-07-2007, 20:41
Seriously, if they marketed their stuff on the one or two people that say 'well, too late for me' they'd go out of business.

Actually the opposite is likely true. When it comes to luxury goods there's nothing more important than customer retension and gaining back customers you lost who used to be big spenders.


There will be plenty of snot nosed noobs coming along who won't have to take a 3rd mortgage out on their last kidney to buy an army, and they will more than make up for the people who shake their head with a knowing sigh and wry smile saying "GW are too late for me, yessiree they are."

They haven't been. Your paragraph above has been GW's approach for the last few years and it's proving to not work and the lack of LOTR cash coming in is starting to show it to be true.

Figuring out what caused you to lose customers and then fixing it and getting those customers back is a major coup in the business world.

logan054
29-07-2007, 23:12
Well i think the balrog really shows GW attitude towards pricing

"well ok, lets rerelease a model in plastic and charge the same for it"

I really dont see GW lowering its prices, it dosnt need to, pretty much everyone is happy enough (so to speak) to pay what they are charging (me, i felt robbed when i bought a Balrog but anyways).

Some guy (UK)
30-07-2007, 00:14
Even if the plastic Balrog was £10 cheaper I would still buy the original. The plastic version is awful in my opinion.

Adept
30-07-2007, 00:28
Well i think the balrog really shows GW attitude towards pricing

"well ok, lets rerelease a model in plastic and charge the same for it"

Do you think they should charge less because the source material is cheaper, or because the sculpt is inferior?

miridigi
30-07-2007, 00:38
I have yet to find a country that sells GW product that is more expensive than Canada (try using XE.com people it will tell you the REAL exchange rate). we pay $45 for a regiment box the rest of the countries pay the following (in our dollars); US $37.27, UK $38.78, Oz $40.52, Germany Italy France Spain Portugal $43.58, Japan ? (can't read japanese).
GW has to adress this problem as it has been leading to Canadians buying product from web stores outside of the country as it is still cheaper to buy something from the US and have it shipped than it is to buy from a Canadian retailer.

starlight
30-07-2007, 00:59
When it's cheaper to by from GW in the US than a Canadian Discounter...? Something is wrong. Top that off with buying someplace like The Warstore...

It amazes me that GW Canada is able to survive...

Hellebore
30-07-2007, 01:19
I would appreciate it if you would take the time to read posts more carefully before firing off a snarky reply.

I apologise. Your sentence simply read like you considered your years of purchasing GW goods as your career, I did not realise you literally meant a career which was it was aimed at - ie that as your 'career' as a customer was over, these changes would not help you at all.



Actually the opposite is likely true. When it comes to luxury goods there's nothing more important than customer retension and gaining back customers you lost who used to be big spenders.

They haven't been. Your paragraph above has been GW's approach for the last few years and it's proving to not work and the lack of LOTR cash coming in is starting to show it to be true.

Figuring out what caused you to lose customers and then fixing it and getting those customers back is a major coup in the business world.

If the prices go down, then of course it will help. It's the one thing that all the fans have whined and bitched and moaned about. If they've burnt their veterans what the hell else are they supposed to do? I'm just a teency fed up with this.

You do realise what this is right? It's a price REDUCTION - the holy grail of GW miniatures, the thing that all the bloody cynical 'Burn Kirby!' "I could run GW better" whiny vetern juveniles have been snivelling about - and what happens?

we get COMPLAINTS about it!:mad:

Seriously sometimes I feel like I'm surrounded by a bunch of sullen spoilt children that simply WANT to be angry at daddy - no matter what daddy does, it's still not good enough.

Whatever, I don't care, this arguement will continue to circle around and around.

GW are cutting prices. Oh te noes!1!!1 It is terribles!! :rolleyes: :eyebrows:

EDIT: This is not aimed at you specifically Grickherder, I'm just venting my frustration at the GW community in general.

Hellebore

ChrisLS
30-07-2007, 01:41
Hey, no problem, hellebore, I appreciate your apology. In that context, I completely understand your reply.

As an aside, I heard from some of my former staff today that GW may be closing as many as 150 stores worldwide in the near future, including one in my region. This could explain backpedaling with prices.

starlight
30-07-2007, 01:47
hellebore: It's not a price reduction, it's a bulk discount on prepackaged kits. Not the same.

I'm not one of those complaining (because I see Apocalypse as a significant step in the right direction), but let's talk apples to apples here.

Hellebore
30-07-2007, 01:59
I believe the chaos terminators and the the land raider are supposed to be cheaper now...that was what I understood from earlier posts...

Hellebore

grickherder
30-07-2007, 02:15
EDIT: This is not aimed at you specifically Grickherder, I'm just venting my frustration at the GW community in general.[/I]

Hellebore

I understand where you are coming from. I myself did not complain about the possible price reductions to come. I do think it's in order. It's certainly on the top of the list of many gamers' thoughts on would would make their experience with GW better.

Like many have said though, I'll believe in a price decrease when it spreads to more than a few isolated examples. When the common items like regiment boxes go down, for example. When parity is restored between US and Canadian prices (hopefully by having them meet in the middle rather than just cranking up the US prices) is restored. Then I'll say "yay for GW, they listened to their customers about the price!"

But not until then.

It's certainly possible that GW might be adopting a strategy of temporary discounts on new items. New terminators come out, they're 10% cheaper than the equivilant product for another army for half a year, then they get "adjusted" to be inline with the original price. Something like that is certainly a possibility and would fit with GW's marketing tactics.

starlight
30-07-2007, 02:17
Well that *would* be good news. I see them listed at $40US, so I'm assuming that's a good thing.:D Having never bought Termis, I wouldn't know. I do agree that some people simply complain and it gets frustrating some times. However, GW has a long history of ignoring us, so it may take a bit for people to become used to them taking positive actions...

At the end of the day, the chatter on Teh Interwebs means nothing, all that matters is the amount of cash in the till at the end of the day.

insaniak
30-07-2007, 02:17
we pay $45 for a regiment box the rest of the countries pay the following (in our dollars); Oz $40.52,

Not sure what prices you're looking at... Regiment boxes in Oz are AU$50, which is CAD$45.32

Battalion/Battleforce boxes
AU$150, which is CAD$135.93
Canada CAD$130, or $110 for Dwarfs


Army/Megaforce (plastic box):
Oz: AU$300 (CAD$271.85)
Canada: CAD$250


Space Marine Commander:
Oz: AU$26 (CAD$23.56)
Canada: CAD$25
(So I guess we're not more expensive on everything... ;) )


Space Marine Chaplain:
Oz: AU$20 (CAD$18.12)
Canada: CAD$16


Space Marine Predator:
Oz: AU$65 (CAD$58.90)
Canada: CAD$55


Venerable Dreadnought:
Oz: AU$85 (CAD$76.99)
Canada: CAD$70

;)

Nurglitch
30-07-2007, 02:28
What, Austrailians pay more for GW products than Canadians? I thought the Warstore charged everyone the same amount...

Crazy Harborc
30-07-2007, 04:25
The further it's shipped the more it costs to get it there/ship it. THAT is a universal cost factor. GW ships, GW is bound by that cost fact. GW can search around and find cheaper shipping costs/shipping methods. GW does not get to set the rates.

Until ALL nations are using the SAME money, pricing world wide cannot be equalized around the world.

Those factors are only a small part of why I doubt GW will lower prices. Offer special package deals, offer limited time intro prices.......maybe GW will be smart and start doing those....regularly.

starlight
30-07-2007, 04:29
It costs more to ship to Toronto than to Seattle or LA...?

Nope, it's simply GW raking in extra money because they can... When The War Store becomes the biggest retailer due to Canadians ordering from there to save money, maybe GW Can will get a grip and realise that the Canadian and US dollars are basically *AT PAR*!

insaniak
30-07-2007, 06:19
The further it's shipped the more it costs to get it there/ship it.

Which is exactly the reason that it's ridiculous for Canada to be paying similar prices to Australia.

Huw_Dawson
30-07-2007, 10:28
Canada has higher import tax than Australia if memory serves. That's the main reason Canada's prices are so expensive.

- Huw

miridigi
30-07-2007, 14:21
The further it's shipped the more it costs to get it there/ship it. THAT is a universal cost factor. GW ships, GW is bound by that cost fact. GW can search around and find cheaper shipping costs/shipping methods. GW does not get to set the rates.

In North America all our GW product comes from the States. They have a dela with FedEx in which their shiopping is dirt cheap. For them to ship to Canada it MAY cost $5 or so.

miridigi
30-07-2007, 14:22
Canada has higher import tax than Australia if memory serves. That's the main reason Canada's prices are so expensive.

- Huw

There is no import tax on minis, they are classed as toys which or not subject to duties and customs charges.

blongbling
30-07-2007, 16:02
As an aside, I heard from some of my former staff today that GW may be closing as many as 150 stores worldwide in the near future, including one in my region. This could explain backpedaling with prices.


GW isnt closing 150 stores worldwide and is continuing to invest in new stores even as we speak

Osbad
30-07-2007, 16:09
As an aside, I heard from some of my former staff today that GW may be closing as many as 150 stores worldwide in the near future, including one in my region. This could explain back-pedalling with prices.

Interesting! I little birdy told me a similar rumour. Could explain why it is taking GW so long to publish their annual accounts (last year they were out around 25th July....) But that is just speculation on my part.

Osbad
30-07-2007, 16:11
GW isn't closing 150 stores worldwide and is continuing to invest in new stores even as we speak

Any evidence for this one way or the other. Sure some new stores are opening, but that doesn't preclude others closing.

All rumours at this stage of course.

W0lf
30-07-2007, 16:22
Yes it appears games workshop now value there customers and fans above their billions of pounds profit..

Oh no wait... they dont.

Its basic economics people. Lowering prices will only happen if it makes more people buy to make up for the loss of profit per unit sold. GW will only become more popular if it advertises alot more and attracts more players. The money and risk of trying to increase the number of players is a uneeded one whilst millions still pay rip off prices for minatures.

Simple as.

Oh and for the record i think the prices are disgusting yet am willing to pay them. I also dont blame Games workshop. You people have to remember. Its a business not your friend. Money comes first.

noneedforaname
30-07-2007, 19:45
the "some new stores opening" is in fact plans for over 100 stores in japan alone.

Only stores in areas where there are financially unsound are closing, so far that is two in the UK that im aware of and if i remember right four new ones have been opened. The stores have a pretty high overhead associated with running them and therefore must have a large enough foootprint to not make a loss.

Not running stores for a loss kinda makes sense huh.

GW could go to being all independants and mail order only and make a greater profit from those companies. However there would be a reduction in brand awareness and there would be no after sales support.

Some guy (UK)
30-07-2007, 20:35
the "some new stores opening" is in fact plans for over 100 stores in japan alone.


A hundred stores in Japan? Where is this from?

insaniak
30-07-2007, 23:49
There is no import tax on minis, they are classed as toys which or not subject to duties and customs charges.

From a quick look at the Canadian Revenue Office and Customs websites, there's no import Tariff on toys. They're subject to taxes just like almost everything else.

That means GST/HST of 6%, plus PST of 0-9%(or thereabouts)

Australia has a 10% GST. So it would seem that there's really not a lot of difference there, overall... but Australia's prices still have to account for shipping halfway around the world. Canada's don't.

miridigi
31-07-2007, 00:51
Australia has a 10% GST. So it would seem that there's really not a lot of difference there, overall... but Australia's prices still have to account for shipping halfway around the world. Canada's don't.

So you're agreeing with me? That there is no reason for Canadian prices to be so out of whack from the majority of GW selling countries.

My point is that it's bad for people like myself who run a shop. Customers don't want to come to us because they can do a web order from the states and get the stuff much cheaper. Something has to be done about this or Canadian GW stores will suffer to the point where the only people who carry GW and support gaming for it will be clubs and GW Hobby Centres.

insaniak
31-07-2007, 01:04
So you're agreeing with me? That there is no reason for Canadian prices to be so out of whack from the majority of GW selling countries.



Which is exactly the reason that it's ridiculous for Canada to be paying similar prices to Australia.

;)



It's a problem that GW have had for a long time now... they simply don't see the internet as a serious business tool. Instead of standardising pricing globally in recognition of the fact that the internet allows people to quickly and easily find the cheapest prices anyway, they're hurting their regional markets by pricing them higher.

ExquisiteEvil
31-07-2007, 01:09
There will be something done,

Not by reducing canadian pricing though - oh no that would be the SMART thing to do.

They will be re-adjusting the US prices to match the canadian ones - or there abouts.

another great commercial decision from the boys at GWHQ- it means the customers lose out whether your in the states or not.

insaniak
31-07-2007, 01:30
it means the customers lose out whether your in the states or not.

...unless they're smart enough to just order from the UK instead...

miridigi
31-07-2007, 03:22
There will be something done,

Not by reducing canadian pricing though - oh no that would be the SMART thing to do.

They will be re-adjusting the US prices to match the canadian ones - or there abouts.

another great commercial decision from the boys at GWHQ- it means the customers lose out whether your in the states or not.

The only reason they will do this is because it will make US retailers somewhat happy (the value of their inventory will skyrocket) whereas if they lowered the value of Canadian product they would have to issue the stockists here a credit (in my case about a grand or so) and they DON'T want to do that, that would make us happy.

ChrisLS
31-07-2007, 05:49
Well, you can't trust redshirts rumors anyway. At the same time, I've been hearing about how "Oh, we're going to open all of these stores!" for the last two years, and I just haven't seen it happening in the grand numbers management dreamed.

Remember, a vision without resources is a hallucination.

Mikhaila
31-07-2007, 06:49
The only reason they will do this is because it will make US retailers somewhat happy (the value of their inventory will skyrocket) whereas if they lowered the value of Canadian product they would have to issue the stockists here a credit (in my case about a grand or so) and they DON'T want to do that, that would make us happy.

Where in hell do you get that US retailers would love it if GW jumped the prices that much? Hell, it would kill us all. No way could prices go up that much with out sales dropping hard and fast.

As to lowering prices on models across the board, hell, I'd love it, and would care less about taking a hit on my inventory. I carry over 100k in GW stock, at retail. If they lowered prices 10% overnight, I'd theoretically lose 10k in inventory value. (5.5k at wholesale). Wouldn't bother me as I'd make it back in increased sales over the next year.

And it's all irrelavant anyway. GW US isn't going to do anything to match canadian prices. They don't sell to Canada, they aren't involved in any of the business. GW Canada sets their own prices. They've always had a bit different idea of how they want to do business than the team in the US. Complain directly to them, their the only ones that have any control over the prices charged by stores and mailorder in canada.

Mikhaila
31-07-2007, 06:57
GW could go to being all independants and mail order only and make a greater profit from those companies. However there would be a reduction in brand awareness and there would be no after sales support.

pffft, and other rude noises. Depends on what store you're playing at. Some independents do more "after sales support" than any GW store. Mine certainly do.

I'll let you get away with "greatly diminished after sales support", and that only assumes that Independents wouldn't fill the gap left by GW stores, and that GW wouldn't use the freed up resources to help support those independents.

miridigi
31-07-2007, 11:14
Where in hell do you get that US retailers would love it if GW jumped the prices that much? Hell, it would kill us all. No way could prices go up that much with out sales dropping hard and fast.

As to lowering prices on models across the board, hell, I'd love it, and would care less about taking a hit on my inventory. I carry over 100k in GW stock, at retail. If they lowered prices 10% overnight, I'd theoretically lose 10k in inventory value. (5.5k at wholesale). Wouldn't bother me as I'd make it back in increased sales over the next year.

And it's all irrelavant anyway. GW US isn't going to do anything to match canadian prices. They don't sell to Canada, they aren't involved in any of the business. GW Canada sets their own prices. They've always had a bit different idea of how they want to do business than the team in the US. Complain directly to them, their the only ones that have any control over the prices charged by stores and mailorder in canada.

I've run the exchange rates and the US is THE CHEAPEST place to buy GW (except for maybe Japan, can't read japanese) therefore it's you guys who are out of whack with the whole pricing structure, everyone else is pretty much on par with each others costs.

Xand0r
31-07-2007, 14:21
There will be something done,

Not by reducing canadian pricing though - oh no that would be the SMART thing to do.

They will be re-adjusting the US prices to match the canadian ones - or there abouts.

another great commercial decision from the boys at GWHQ- it means the customers lose out whether your in the states or not.
This is technically the correct thing to do. The price of the US dollar has fallen dramatically. They are no longer making the same money off of their US customers because their money is worth less than before. Same with AUS, their money is worth more against the US dollar, so it seems like we are all getting screwed, while actually the US is just lucky. However, anyone in the US isn't making any more money than before, so they won't notice their cheaper prices. GW prices in the US ought to be raised to coincide with their sliding dollar. All I can say to Canadians is order some product from the US before it is too late. :)

(And yes other currency has risen irrespective of the US dollar, but the sliding US dollar is the main cause of the discrepancy)

asmodai_dark86
31-07-2007, 14:42
If there opening a hundred stores in Japan then I'm the Sultan of Araby...

Ten maybe, but a hundred? Thats too much of a gamble and lets face it GW isnt in a great position to gamble right now

MutantMaggot
31-07-2007, 14:57
New stores? They obviously want them... just look at the 'battle brothers' idea that makes you try to find somewhere that may want to stock GW products. But 100... if that went wrong, GW could go bust.

Osbad
31-07-2007, 15:26
the "some new stores opening" is in fact plans for over 100 stores in japan alone.

Only stores in areas where there are financially unsound are closing, so far that is two in the UK that im aware of and if i remember right four new ones have been opened. The stores have a pretty high overhead associated with running them and therefore must have a large enough foootprint (sic) to not make a loss.

Not running stores for a loss kinda makes sense huh.

Quoting this for hogwash.

The annual report published states on page 3:

"We have 32 stores which are unprofitable due to either low sales or high rents, and which we see as irremedial. 17 of the stores identified for closure are in the Americas...outside our selected metropolitan areas. A further 8 are in the UK, 6 in Continental Europe and 1 in Asia Pacific."

On page 6:

At the end of May we had 118 Games Workshop Hobby Stores in the UK (2006: 119) ...

... We opened our 2nd and 3rd stores in Japan during the year and we see this as the beginning of a long term investment ".

If there are plans for 100 stores in Japan, they aren't for the next few years as firstly they couldn't afford it, and secondly that would take it up to the saturation level of the UK - which isn't going to happen overnight. Please do your fellow forum members the honour of not spouting unsupported drivel!

noneedforaname
31-07-2007, 19:43
"so far that is two in the UK that i am aware off"

is that clear english? did i say only two? nope.

100 in japan is the long term investment 60 in tokyo and 40 in i think if i remember right okinawa.

As for the rest of your quotes it basically supports what i said about only financially unsound stores closing does it not.

Ohman
31-07-2007, 22:24
100 in japan is the long term investment 60 in tokyo and 40 in i think if i remember right okinawa.


:confused:

Are you saying that GW wants to open 60 stores in Tokyo? And 40 on Okinawa? I've read alot of strange stuff on these boards but this one sure is in a league of it's own!

Mad Doc Grotsnik
31-07-2007, 22:31
Somehow, 60 stores in a single city isn't going to happen.....

Nurglitch
31-07-2007, 22:47
There's 35 million people living in the Greater Tokyo Area. Of those, 8 million live in the city-proper alone.

Hellfury
31-07-2007, 22:52
60 in Tokyo and 40 in Okinawa?

Dude, there isn't going to be 100 store in japan for MANY years if GW keeps going the way they are going.

Let alone 60 GW store within a single (albeit large) geographical location.

Your sources are full of it, and common sense says that your credibility is suffering due to you repeating such off the wall and illogical rumours.

I will however say that there is a HUGE potential in pandering to Otaku in japan. It might even be enough to warrant 100 stores on Nippon if it wasnt for the fact that the competition is hard there. How is GW going to sell as well there when such fine (and much cheaper in comparison) kits come from southeast asia as tamiya and such?

GW will have to do a major (read: monumental, never before seen) restructuring in every aspect of their business model to compete as strongly there as they do in britain for 100 stores to prosper.

If you mean long term as in the next 100 years, maybe. Longterm as in the next decade? Not a *********** chance, bub.

starlight
31-07-2007, 22:55
All the more reason for fewer bunkers, rather than more stores...

Let's look at it from the business side (as GW will) not the *I hurd it ons teh Interwebz!!!!* side.:eyebrows:

VetSgtNamaan
01-08-2007, 00:26
If GW can actually make a go of it in the Japanese market. Last I saw they were offering the codexes online for free to get people interested in the Game. The Japanese tend to have particular tastes in thier sci fi and fantasy. Though I suspect GW is too rigid in thier marketing to be successful.

Thoth62
01-08-2007, 03:46
Just as a little tidbit of information that others may take any way they like, but there are situations where stores are doing well. Here in Winnipeg, the one store we have is moving from a mall into a storefront, and being turned into a bunker. Obviously, Canada HQ thought they were doing well enough to warrant a change in size and location.

starlight
01-08-2007, 03:48
However, it's the locals (specifically the Astro crowd) they have to thank for that, not anything that *GW* itself does...:eyebrows:

Hellebore
01-08-2007, 03:59
However, it's the locals (specifically the Astro crowd) they have to thank for that, not anything that *GW* itself does...:eyebrows:

Isn't it always the locals that make a GW shop successful by buying stuff from it?:p

Hellebore

starlight
01-08-2007, 04:00
Nope. It's the local who maintain the community despite decreasing levels of support and increasing prices...from GW.:p

grickherder
01-08-2007, 04:02
Winnipeg has a strong tradition of organized play when it comes to WFB and 40k. The Astronomicons, the Warcons, the 17th Wing club, and others. It's one of those places where a lot of indy stores developed the market alongside clubs and then and only then, did GW open up a store.

Thoth62
01-08-2007, 04:36
Winnipeg has a strong tradition of organized play when it comes to WFB and 40k. The Astronomicons, the Warcons, the 17th Wing club, and others. It's one of those places where a lot of indy stores developed the market alongside clubs and then and only then, did GW open up a store.

And then there was Conflict Winnipeg. Possibly the biggest flop of any Conflict event in the country. The event so bad, they only ever did it once...

While it is true that the Indies were the stores that developed the hobby here, they haven't necesarily done very well since the GW store opened up. I know of at least 3 that have stopped selling GW merch for one reason or another.

ChrisLS
01-08-2007, 04:57
I'll chip in with my observations from the inside of the US business.

First off, there is an acknowledgment that mall stores are not the way to go. There is a general effort to get stores out of malls when the leases come up and into appropriate strip mall locations. Check out the GW Real Estate page (http://us.games-workshop.com/home/realestate/default.htm), where they list the desired qualities in a strip location. From that site, there is a stated desire to open 100 new stores in the US in the next five years. These stores would be not Bunker sized, but between 1000-1500 square feet, so between 5 and 8 6x4 gaming tables. I was informed that Bunkers are deemed too expensive to open, so the strategy is quantity of stores over quality.

At the same time, their ability to deliver this goal is highly suspect.

Their number one problem is staff. As I was told in no uncertain terms, before a store can be opened they need a manager to run it. Well, when I left the US business lost over 1/3 of their store managers in NINE MONTHS. They can't keep the managers they already have, so actually growing their core of managers and retaining them is doubtful. Next is keeping quality staff around, which has also been a problem. Without staff members to run a store there will be no new stores.

Second, the US retail business had a number of stores that were under performing. At my first company wide manager meeting, it was announced that GW wanted to open 250 stores in the US in 10 years. That's nice. Well, in the two years since, there has been a net opening of three stores once you subtract the stores that were closed. Not exactly on a 25 a year pace. Given the terrible performance of most areas, I find it doubtful that even more stores will be opened so quickly that cannot sustain themselves. The only thing keeping the US business afloat this last year was a resurgence of Trade Sales to indies. Without Trade, the US business would have been in the crapper last FY.

starlight
01-08-2007, 05:38
Cut-and-paste the above for Canada.:(

I know of several managers who bailed after being *forced* to work nights and weekends. Not the way to keep people who are trying to raise families, especially on what GW pays. As soon as it stops being fun, the pay becomes the primary reason to bail.

Hellebore
01-08-2007, 05:43
Nope. It's the local who maintain the community despite decreasing levels of support and increasing prices...from GW.:p

Lol.

Got to wonder though, they wouldn't put in a bunker if they weren't making more money there, right? Does that mean the community are directing people to purchase at the GW store thus making the area look profitable?

Hellebore

starlight
01-08-2007, 05:46
I'm sure they count retail, trade and web sales together (okay, *I* would, but who knows about GW), in concert with attendance at local events in making their choices...

Thoth62
01-08-2007, 14:32
Lol.

Got to wonder though, they wouldn't put in a bunker if they weren't making more money there, right? Does that mean the community are directing people to purchase at the GW store thus making the area look profitable?

Hellebore

I think it helps to understand a little bit more about the gaming community here. In the 5 or so years since the GW hobby store opened 3 stores have stopped selling GW merch. I believe that this is entirely due to the presence of the store, and as more people begin to shop there, the indies lose the profit they had been making from holding the GW merch on thier shelves. It's a bit of a vicious cycle. Either way, there is a great deal of excitement in the group that I'm involved in concerning the new store, and to be honest, it's probably better for the business in the long run.

Stores in Malls have to be open for as long as the mall is open, but in a strip somewhere, they can make their own hours, which are greatly reduced from that of a mall. This means less staffing costs, and in fact, one of the staff got laid off pending the move.