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Vanisher
21-08-2005, 17:03
Recently a friend of mine have managed to convince me to start a BFG fleet.As I am dedicated fallower of the Dark Gods,the choice was obvious CHAOS.Currently the only ship I own is a desolator class battleship,wich i have maneg to buy at a half of its current price,about a year ago.I plan ordering a set of Chaos cruiser and gruping him in a squardron along a pair of carnage or murder class cruiser,and also fileding a Styx heavy cruiser and a pair of Devastation carriers.Basicly the first group will act as a moving gun platform,whilst the other will use ist long range weaponry and send smarms of ordinace.The thing i woudl like to ask other fellow warmaster is the Desolator a realible unit,worth fielding,and is my concept of the fleet b going to be efective??

Greymarch
21-08-2005, 20:55
I don't play Chaos, but I'll tell you that you can't squadron a Battleship with cruisers. Squadrons have to be made of the same type of ship.

How many points do you think you're going to be playing mostly?

CELS
21-08-2005, 21:35
I've never played against the Desolator, but it looks like a really effective ship. In my experience, battleships are always effective, even when they're not in a squadron, unless you're playing really large games (Maybe 3000+)

Vanisher
21-08-2005, 22:29
I don't play Chaos, but I'll tell you that you can't squadron a Battleship with cruisers. Squadrons have to be made of the same type of ship.

How many points do you think you're going to be playing mostly?

I know that battleship and cruisers can't form squadrons.What I had in mind was basicly forming a group of ships that supported each other and gun down the same targets.I am aslo cosinderig adding a pair of Murder calass cruisers backedup by a bunch of escorts, in order to act as a fire magnet.Basicly they will race fowards the enemy in order to reach the firing range of their batteries,and draw fire away from the other two groups.As for points vaule I am not certrain.I am plaing to collect the fleat consisting of piervously mentioned ships, and not focus on points value.

Mortare
22-08-2005, 20:17
The Desolator is a very capable battleship. From previous experience, having Styx and Desolators together is best left for larger points games, where they can be supported by other ships. With the updated rules on fighters/bombers (stopping unlimited waves of them), they need support. Not to take anything away from them, this very idea is a favoured tactic of mine, but I have found that if they run out of ordonance (bound to happen when you don't want it), your fleet suffers a massive reduction in flexibility. I would definitely recommend some murder or carnage class ships to go with them, as they have massed batteries (and lances) with which to bulk out your fleets firepower.

fracas
22-08-2005, 21:26
Desolator BB are great but as already posted, should be saved for games at 2k or more.

btw, Devastations are much better buys than the Styx.

mostholycerebus
22-08-2005, 22:46
Nah, Desolator could be felded in anything over 1000 pts IMO. Chaos doesn't use many escorts, they use lots of cruisers. The Desolator is a great ship for chaos, a battleship fast enough to keep up with the fleet.

Keep in mind that the Desolator ship can be used to field either a Desolator or a Despoiler. The current Despoiler model does NOT fit it's stats, as the stats do not have a forward-facing launch bay. Or, do what I do and use magnets to make the weapons (and thus configuration) interchangeable.

And yeah the Styx is WAY overpriced.

ReDavide
25-08-2005, 07:51
What's the best way to use the Desolator? Its speed and light, long-range armament seem to make it pretty unique among battleships, but I don't see any clear battlefield role for it.

One part of me wants to keep it back as a long-range support vessel, but that seems to waste its speed & high damage capacity.
The other part of me wants to run it up to the enemy as a (relatively) cheap decoy that can take a helluva lot of punishment, but that seems to waste its weapon ranges.

I can't decide. :(

Karhedron
27-08-2005, 18:15
I have actually found that my Chaos fleet works best with just Cruisers and Escorts, I don't bother with battleships at all. If I were playing a really big battle then I might take a Planet Killer! :evilgrin:

mostholycerebus
27-08-2005, 18:48
Yeah, Chaos has some really strong Cruisers, they're all you need for a very good fleet. The Planet Killer is a sweet model, the rules are pretty good too! Unfortunatly per the fluff it's pretty rare so shouldn't be used all the time.

fracas
27-08-2005, 19:31
i play chaos rarely but i'll take the PK each time. does that count? ;)

Karhedron
29-08-2005, 17:09
i play chaos rarely but i'll take the PK each time. does that count? ;)
As long as you don't mind the odd cheese-flavoured grumble then probably not. Your battles could be part of a linked storyline. Some admiral obsessed with hunting the PK down and destroying it.

Inquisitor Maul
30-08-2005, 20:29
I've killed a PK with 3 Dauntless cruisers ;)

Rode in behind it and unleashed 9 lances/turn (crippled it in 1 turn with some help from 2 lunar-class cruisers) untill the guy got enough and dissengaged it :D

Shira
31-08-2005, 14:36
I'd say go for the Despoiler instead. Forward mounted lances always beat broadside mounted lances in a Chaos fleet, and the Despoilers Firepower 7 at 30 cm with lances are quite devastating.

Vanisher
01-09-2005, 22:47
This might be a bit out off topic,but how many gun batterys are ther in the chaos cruiser sprue??

Inquisitor Maul
02-09-2005, 08:42
Can't remember. But I think it is 2 of every sort (lances, WB and launchbays) on it.

lord_blackfang
02-09-2005, 10:40
1 pair of every weapon per sprue, so you can't make (for example) a Styx from one sprue, you'd need another pair of launch bays.