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mistformsquirrel
08-08-2007, 02:40
So a friend of mine recently brought over some of his old Chapter Approved stuff; and we were going over the Vehicle Design Rules...

At first, I was thinking "Hrmm... this is fun, but there's no way to make anything really worthwhile because its all way overpriced..."

Then I did something, that I freely admit is ridiculous and I'd never actually try to use it in a game. >.<;;

I created a Land Speeder with a Short-Barrel Vanquisher Battle Cannon. Now, as far as I can see there's absolutely no reason I couldn't do it... it even remained a Fast Vehicle, had a 54" range, the possibility of tossing pie plates or smashing most vehicles, and all this for under the cost of a Land Speeder Tornado in the DA/BA codex >.<

So I'm curious, what all kinds of insanity have other people come up with who've had access to the rules alot longer than myself? <,< Anything you want to post - be it your uber-ridiculous and overcosted DoomTank or something that just doesn't make sense (Ala a Land Speeder with Vanquisher cannon)

Duhgame
08-08-2007, 02:48
Sadly, I never got access to the VDR rules, but I heard Apoc. will have a new version of it! :big grin: I trust that despite the weird price cost of the old version it could be fun? Makes me look forward to the newer and hopefully cleaned up version coming then! (Since GW usually clears up it mistakes in later editions, although sometimes they end up creating several more, :chrome:)

mistformsquirrel
08-08-2007, 02:52
Oh its definitely a blast to come up with the weird and crazy <,<

<@_@> Just for fun I had come up with a skimmer-hunter Land Speeder with 3 Gatling Autocannons <o.@> It was expensive as all get out, but it had the potential to put out 18 Str 7 AP4 shots in a single round. Take that you nasty Falcon you! >.> I think that one cost in the neighborhood of a Land Raider though lol <'x'>

I love mucking with design rules though - part of the reason I even asked my friend to bring over his stuff was because of the rumor about Apocolypse having new ones. >.<m

cuda1179
08-08-2007, 03:07
Actually, a fast vehicle CAN NOT have ordnance. This is shown in the maine rulebook.

chromedog
08-08-2007, 03:24
I haven't used the VDR for anything outrageous.
A new tank for my eldar, the Warp Hunter. A refinement of the Fire Prism that relaced the prism cannon with a long barrelled D-cannon, and carried eldar shields. A new Anti-Armour vehicle that didn't require LoS to kill other tanks. Cost more than a Land Raider, though. Might haul it out again for Apoc. Then again, if I finish the Cobra turret for my scorpion, then I may just use it instead. Long barrelled, titan-killing, more blast-y goodness. 36" Str 10 large blast no los required.

mistformsquirrel
08-08-2007, 03:40
Actually, a fast vehicle CAN NOT have ordnance. This is shown in the maine rulebook.

<. .> Well consider me a stupidhead then!

I knew it was too broke to be true <,< (I mean really, a Land Speeder with a Vanquisher did seem uhh... quite a bit much <'x'>) Could you give me a page number by chance so I can look it up? (I don't doubt you at all; its just one of those thing "I like to know cause that way I know where to look if it comes up again!")

WallWeasels
08-08-2007, 03:51
I wanted to make a gatling blast exorcist launcher ): But...since it wasn't on the list, oh no can't do it.
All I really wanted was to make a "land raider" variant with an exorcist launcher :p Seriously...it would work :)

cleansingfury
08-08-2007, 04:01
Can anyone point me in the direction of the rules for that?
Looking to do some fun stuff for friendly games you know?

mistformsquirrel
08-08-2007, 04:14
It was apparently in a White Dwarf a long time ago or something. My friend has a few of the Chapter Approved compilations, I think its in the 2004 version. I'm just borrowing his copy for now >.>

ehlijen
08-08-2007, 04:20
A heavy bolter gun platform. AV 10/9/9, open topped, immobile, one bs4 heavy bolter. came to something like 30 points and was still stupidly resilient for its points with the old hull down rules...

Katkiller 5
08-08-2007, 05:47
Blastmaster gun platform. Think it was a pred base, 13/12/11 with two sets of three twin-linked gatling long-barreled blastmasters. Could potentially throw down 18 blast templates at long range... lol, loved that thing. Insane in points though.

cuda1179
08-08-2007, 05:57
Well, technically, you can have a fast vehicle with a Vanquisher cannon, it just can't fire it.

THe rules are actually in a chart (I don't have my book at the moment). It lists how many main and Defencive weapons a vihicle can fire. At every movement rate a fast vehicle is listed as NA for ordnance.

KUMA
08-08-2007, 06:24
twin linked gatling long barreled assault cannons with ws 3 = win :)

fwacho
08-08-2007, 06:27
i had 3 VDR creations one very reasonable, one useful and one ridiculous

Ridiculous: 40 twin-linked lasgun sentinal. (came in pretty cheap)

USEFUL; Imperial pickup truck. carried five models, fast, open topped, 10-9-9 armor. I actually used 3 of these for a time for my command platoons. incredibly useful and only 30 or so points.

Resonable... imperial dreadnaught armed with two heavy flamers and dreadnought CC weapon. 11-11-10 armor. Still have it laying around.

chromedog
08-08-2007, 06:54
Can anyone point me in the direction of the rules for that?
Looking to do some fun stuff for friendly games you know?


PM sent.

Cheers.

Shibboleth
08-08-2007, 07:40
I made an Iron Warrior Dreadnought with Assault Cannon CCW, two flamers and a Demolisher Cannon in it's chest.
The idea being that an Obliterator had been implanted in a captured Imperial Fist Dread. :evilgrin:

mistformsquirrel
08-08-2007, 07:45
I made an Iron Warrior Dreadnought with Assault Cannon CCW, two flamers and a Demolisher Cannon in it's chest.
The idea being that an Obliterator had been implanted in a captured Imperial Fist Dread. :evilgrin:

Ooo... I like that one! >.<

the_dark_sarge
08-08-2007, 07:46
rules can be found here
http://www.rgmw.org/scifi/vdr/index.html

Calden
08-08-2007, 07:57
THe worst I ever saw was mainly due to it's implementation than anything.

An AV14 bunker, with 3 gatling mega dark lances, and a number of other weapons, structure points, and Eldar holo fields.

This was some kind of crazy travesty in a Dark Eldar army, and the kid used it to basicly nuke all of his opponents vehicles from the table in the first turn or two. Hideously expensive, and probably not worth it, but I mainly despised it because the thing was an imobile bunker in an army that specialised in moving extremely fast!

cleansingfury
08-08-2007, 08:12
I just made a fast skimmer with AV 10 all around.
It had 2 autocannons, and 10 storm bolters.
Wasn't to bad either.

Course that was probably not a good idea and used the online version.

Using the actuall sheets I made a nice little tarantula with 2 twinlinked autocannons on a AV11 immobile open topped item.

Grand Master Raziel
08-08-2007, 16:11
The most heinous thing I came up with was a 10/10/10 fast skimmer with a short-ranged battle cannon. Came in at just under 100 points, so a Space Marine/IG army could take squadrons of up to 3 of them. Make the battle cannon low-powered, and it comes out to about 85pts, which isn't much more than a Land Speeder Typhoon, and way more worthwhile.

More recently, I had an idea for better version of the Predator that I gave the working name of Mongoose. Basically, I wanted a Pred-armored vehicle that could move 6" and fire more than one twin-linked lascannon, so I came up with a vehicle that mounted two such weapons and was Agile. *******' expensive, though. I actually went through with the conversion for it, using a spare Land Raider front plate that I had kicking around (leftover from my Prometheus). Then, I realized that no one has to let me use a VDR creation, so I made a separate bit that I could drop into the recess for the front-mounted gun (where the heavy bolters would be on a LR), and wound up with a MkIII Rhino, which is how I use it now. I was so pleased with the conversion, I ordered more bitz and worked up a second one.

The Anarchist
08-08-2007, 16:32
when playing a fun game with a friend we each had few VDR vehicles it was mayhem. i remember a light tank with 6 assult cannons!, and even an Eldar walker with two Prism cannons (i noteven sure if that is legal, but we played to anyway lol)

however i think the most ridiculous vehicle would be the Land Raider Terminus, ironic tht it wasn't even created using te VDR rules though and is intended to be a fully legal vehicle.

logosloki
08-08-2007, 16:36
the best I heard was some one built a VDR landraider with somewhere around 100 boltguns.

My favourite was I made a line of AV9 open topped vehicles. the most expensive I think was 20pts.

mistformsquirrel
08-08-2007, 16:37
THe worst I ever saw was mainly due to it's implementation than anything.

An AV14 bunker, with 3 gatling mega dark lances, and a number of other weapons, structure points, and Eldar holo fields.

This was some kind of crazy travesty in a Dark Eldar army, and the kid used it to basicly nuke all of his opponents vehicles from the table in the first turn or two. Hideously expensive, and probably not worth it, but I mainly despised it because the thing was an imobile bunker in an army that specialised in moving extremely fast!

I suppose it could make sense if you were attacking a Dark Eldar city in the Webway... though frankly that's *QUITE* the stretch >.> Definitely unusual!

penguin663
08-08-2007, 16:44
Could some on please tell me how to find out what the rules at the bottom do. Sorry if this is against forum rules

Culven
08-08-2007, 16:57
Could some on please tell me how to find out what the rules at the bottom do. Sorry if this is against forum rules
Since we cannot post rules, you will either need to read the rules in the White Dwarf or Chapter Approved 2004, or you can download the VDR from here (http://download.games-workshop.biz/236).

Culven
08-08-2007, 17:00
I have built two VDR vehicles. The first was a Leman Russ "Firestorm" where the Battle Cannon was replaced with four storm bolters. The second is my Land Raider Londsword which replaces the Infantry Compartment with an Earthshaker Cannon, and has a Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters in each sponson, and it is only 290 points.

BajsArne
08-08-2007, 17:01
I havenīt got the rules, but seeing how efficient trukks can be sometimes I would like to see an unarmed space marine open topped skimmer.

mistformsquirrel
08-08-2007, 17:13
You can actually make a Fast AV10 Skimmer, open topped with 10 transport capacity for only 80pts. Admittedly not cheap, but its a go-anywhere vehicle that can get your marines where they need to be. I think it'd shine more though with some sort of weapon mount so after they disembark you can make some use of it. Almost like an open-topped Marine Devilfish. <o.O>

Puffin Magician
08-08-2007, 18:51
I made 2 VDRs for my Eldar army long ago; one was a Falcon that replaced the turret with a hull-mounted Gatling Scatter Laser. The other was named the Bahzhakhain, was larger than the Scorpion, and mounted a giant turreted laser weapon. Ridiculously expensive.

Could someone please tell me how to find out what the rules at the bottom do. Sorry if this is against forum rules.It might be against Forum Rules, but it's not against the Internet.

Google and you shall receive (http://www.geocities.com/canadaconda/vdr.html).

muskrat
08-08-2007, 19:43
VDR is my baby...

Flyer titan transport, can transport any of the below, or 20 troops. still under construction, so armaments are being decided.

Apache longbow flyer, daemon possessed, 4 rockets, heavy bolter, 2 TL lascannons, 2 missile launchers.

Whirlwind type tank- 2x gatling missile launchers (gatling krak, twice. :D bye marines!) multimelta w/ coaxial TL bolters, for when they get close.

Scout buggy, based on the speeder. Everyones seen em. Heavy bolter, with heavy stubber manned by a snotling. which is totally a daemon, not a snotling.

Scout walker- TL lascannons, two more lascannons, two autocannons, battle cannon.

Scout titan- 2x heavy flamers, 2x missile launchers, TL autocannon, mega bolter, 2 dread CCW

All built first, VDR'ed second. Got a few more planned...though I think I'm missing one. I like walkers.

Now, craziest thing I've ever VDR'ed, but not built, was a chaos battleship. Maybe a flyer, haven't decided. Not much water on a 40k board. Somewhere around 2-3 TL earthshakers, a few AA mounts, some other heavy artillery. Came in somewhere around 1k points. I might build it, just for apocalypse. Thought if I do, it'll be land or sea based- a flyer wouldn't be feasible.

mistformsquirrel
08-08-2007, 19:47
Now, craziest thing I've ever VDR'ed, but not built, was a chaos battleship. Maybe a flyer, haven't decided. Not much water on a 40k board. Somewhere around 2-3 TL earthshakers, a few AA mounts, some other heavy artillery. Came in somewhere around 1k points. I might build it, just for apocalypse. Thought if I do, it'll be land or sea based- a flyer wouldn't be feasible.

I want to see this. Badly! >.< It must be made!

muskrat
08-08-2007, 19:58
Hard to find a large size model battleship to base it on. also trouble deciding whether or not it'll possessed or just steampunk/spikey looking...

http://darkstar_013310.tripod.com/

might be able to make one of these...hmmm

mistformsquirrel
08-08-2007, 20:25
Very cool Muskrat. I personally think a huge possessed Battleship would be coolest <,< But that's me! Just the idea that its one HUGE daemon... EEPS!! >.>

Meat Shield
08-08-2007, 20:35
I just made a Eldar Skimmer With AV14 All around (it wasn't fast though)
With 2 D-Cannons and a co-axial Bright Lance. It came out to a Wopping ~400 pts BUt think of the possibilities. OMG Tank Hunter Of DOOM you could even give it holo-Fields/Spirit Stones.

studderigdave
08-08-2007, 20:41
ive never used VDR to make anythingt over the top. i use it for my reaver and gargant, stompa, and a few land raider variants ive tested over the years. a favorite of mine from years ago was the land raider infernus i made for a friend who played salamanders. it was a land raider that could carry 5 termies, it was armed with 6 TL hb's and an inferno cannon. pretty deadly to infantry,

Tinners
08-08-2007, 20:47
My ork bommer is closing on silly levels of vdryness.. So far:

22 big shootas
4 big bombs
12 bombs
4 rokkits.

Or

22 big shootas
4 big bombs
6 bombs
2 grot bombs.

Its still W.I.P but all the weapons will be interchangable(apart from the big shootas) so it can have alot of options...

/wanders off to finish it.

Travman
08-08-2007, 21:03
I wrote up a vyper with a gatling, long-barreled, D-cannon, and recall it landing somewhere around 80 points

Wraithbored
08-08-2007, 21:21
I had a falcon like tank with a gatling d-cannon with extra shots and an extra coaxial dcannon the thing could put out obscene numbers of blast markers and could easily lay waste to whole squads.

Meat Shield
08-08-2007, 22:40
I wrote up a vyper with a gatling, long-barreled, D-cannon, and recall it landing somewhere around 80 points

First of all you can't even make D-Cannons Gatling. And second Even without gatling it comes to about 120 pts.

EDIT: 105 sry

Grimtuff
08-08-2007, 22:54
Well, there was "The Brick" basically an A14 all round immobile vehicle with Orbital Lander. Land 4 around a unit (hoping for no scatter) and pen them in.


Not quite VDR, but made using the Nid Monster rules was made by my local stores manager. It was referred to as "The ****" it was a Nid creature that was about 6" long and 48" wide and had as many mass points as it could take.

It was basically a living shield for an army.....

Both of these silly ideas were never made funnily enough.

BajsArne
08-08-2007, 22:54
"Scout walker- TL lascannons, two more lascannons, two autocannons, battle cannon"

If this is you scout walker I dread to see the assult class.

cleansingfury
09-08-2007, 00:41
"Floating Death"
This one is more viable.
AV 10 fast skimmer.
10 twin linked bolters and 2 heavy flamers.
Youch that would hurt!

Redstormrisen
09-08-2007, 02:01
I made a battle sisters Leman russ.

2 inferno cannons.

3 heavy flamers.

Only came out at 210 points.

And then a silly 1500 point ork supa battlewagon.

With 5 gatling mega zzap guns and 5 mega gatling big shootas

Oh and 4 structure points and a 26 carrying capacity.

Then a land speeder with 5 grenade launchers.

Chief L. Rome
09-08-2007, 02:07
For those who seen/ played FF VIII
The Ragnarok but with some variants.
Type: Flyer/Skimmer/Troop Lander
Size: War Machine
Race: S. Marines (But I'm sure the more alien races can be more crafty)

Version A- 4 TL H. Bolter Sponsons, Hull mounted H.Flamer and a Battle Cannon for its main gun.

Version B- 4 TL A. Cannon Sponsons, hull mounted Multi-melta and Battle Cannon for its main gun.

Version C- Keeps all the weapons on Ver. B except the Battle Cannon is replaced by a mega Lascannon.

ALL versions include: Rockets, 2 W. Machine CCW, Ferocious, E. Armor, S. Launchers, HK missile and sufficient capacity to hold 26 marines.
Price tag???
About 7-900pts depending on the variant.

Finn
09-08-2007, 04:09
I'm not sure if those rules on that link are correct, there have been some points modifications...

Something I would like to say, though I don't necessarily agree with it, is that the points costs in VDR are more expensive than they would be for normal vehicles because of the potential for abuse. Mr. Andy says flat-out somewhere in the introduction to them that if you're using them to design a vehicle for its effect rules-wise, instead of how it will look model-wise and how it will fit in with your army, then you're not understanding the spirit of the rules.

I've used the rules extensively, and am currently building an air force to use with an airborne guard army. 4 flyers finished, 2 to go....

1 Flyer with 2x twin-linked autocannons, 1 blaster cannon (blast autocannon) - 196 points. Very worth it, I originally made it to deal with lots of heavier infantry types such as Tyranid Warriors or medium-size squads of armour 4 basic troops, but it's turned out to excel in killing light vehicles or even MBT's from side and rear facings. As the flyer is modeled to appear to have both atmosphere and space flight capability, I've decided that it is a short range orbital defense fighter that may also fulfill a ground support role. If I had the parts, I would make more of them (I assembled it from pieces of 5 different airplane models).

3 Flyers with twin-linked heavy bolter and 2 rockets. These were designed to be infantry support models, with the capability to provide a heavy anti-light vehicle punch if necessary. They are also very speedy-looking, and can intercept enemy flyers attacking my ground troops or more important aircraft. This last Saturday, I played in a big battle that allowed flyers. One of our Dark Eldar players uses the forgeworld Void Dragon Phoenix (360 pts of death), and decided to dogfight with my heavy flyer...I tried to intercept with the little ones but failed, and we ended up shooting each other down. Neither of our flyers did anything else before that, but it was still very fun. As a side note, I made an anti-aircraft platform modelled after the Phaethon Defense Platform on the forgeworld site to shoot his flyer down first....but it got killed by 3 lucky sniper shots on bad guy turn 1 (they got to go first) :cries:.

My 40k friends think my super heavy is kind of lame, but to be entirely honest I wanted it to be bristling with weapons and decked out to be a siege transport. 3 twin-linked lascannons, a battle cannon w/co-axial autocannon, 1 twin-linked heavy bolter, and weapons mounted on the top of the gigantic turret (I used a 1/35 scale Leopard model and enlarged it using plasticard) and sides of the passenger compartments include: 1 storm bolter, 1 multi-melta, twin-linked rocket launcher, 4 heavy flamers, and 2 inferno cannons (was a twin-linked heavy flamer, but the updated VDR rules got rid of that...). At armor 14/14/13, 3 structure points, 2 imperial fields (complete with a shield generator behind the turret), and transport capacity for 21 models, it weighs in at 924 points. I am currently building a second warmachine, designed to be an MBT. Mega vanquisher cannon, 2 twin-linked missile launchers and 2 gatling autocannon turrets mounted on either side of the main chassis, and hull mounts for a demolisher cannon and 2 lascannons. At armour 14/14/13, 2 fields, and various vehicle upgrades, it comes to roughly 800 points (I haven't added it up completely yet as it's not finished).

I'm very thankful these rules exist, I had great fun creating and converting these models. Forgive me for the wall of text, but I can't resist talking about these things sometimes...

max the dog
09-08-2007, 04:32
VDR are fun to abuse but have you tried out the monstrous creature design rules? What can be made is almost comical in it's abuse ability. The cheapest monstrous creature is only 36 points. It has a strength and toughness of 5, 3 wounds, and 1 close combat attack. No it won't scare anyone but it makes an great cheap bullet sponge.
The most point expensive I've ever tried to play was a 400 point gargantuan creature that carried 2 massive ranged twin-linked spasming venom canons that could pump out 18 St10 shots a round. I beefed it up to have AP3 and a 72" range. My buddies swore that if I tried to play it that would be the last game I ever played with them.

Shadowphrakt
31-08-2007, 18:13
i made a land raider killy deathness. it was awesome! 7 twin linked heavy bolters, with transport capacity for 10 marines or 5 terminators! i designed it to be anti-guardsmen, as they are my usual opponent, came in at 480pts
Also, i made a guard one which came out at 2313 pts. with lots of assault cannons!!!

nurgle_boy
31-08-2007, 19:55
For those who seen/ played FF VIII
The Ragnarok but with some variants.
Type: Flyer/Skimmer/Troop Lander
Size: War Machine
Race: S. Marines (But I'm sure the more alien races can be more crafty)

Version A- 4 TL H. Bolter Sponsons, Hull mounted H.Flamer and a Battle Cannon for its main gun.

Version B- 4 TL A. Cannon Sponsons, hull mounted Multi-melta and Battle Cannon for its main gun.

Version C- Keeps all the weapons on Ver. B except the Battle Cannon is replaced by a mega Lascannon.

ALL versions include: Rockets, 2 W. Machine CCW, Ferocious, E. Armor, S. Launchers, HK missile and sufficient capacity to hold 26 marines.
Price tag???
About 7-900pts depending on the variant.

version C is the correct one as ingame, and I want one :D if only somewhere did a similar model...

now all someone needs to do is do rules for the Lunatic pandora...

ui think about 9000 points would be about right... its about the size of a floating city after all...

Son of Makuta
31-08-2007, 19:56
Oh-ho..... I've made piles of VDR stuff, most of it stupidly Apocalyptic in firepower proportion. My favourites have to be:
- Chaos Bombclaw drop pod. Immobile, deep strikes, carries 4 short-barrel demolishers. Falls out of the sky, wipes out a squad and dies. :D

- Chaos Scorched Earth dropship. Carries 3 Bombclaw drop pods, 2 Desecrator demi-titans (each worth 1200 pts in themselves and with more firepower than the average Guard army!) and a Hellmouth Tank Assassin tiny flyer (naff all armour and 4 twinlinked meltaguns... ohh yes.) A total of 7,000 points exactly!

azimaith
31-08-2007, 20:17
Er a fast tyranid carnifex for 156 points.
S10, T7, 5 wounds, 2+ save, implant attack, flesh hooks, WS5, I4, 6 attacks, and fleet.

To be honest a winged tyranid hive tyrant by the rules comes out cheaper too, (By about 60 points.)

My favorite thing however has been a light dune buggy style car with AV9, no weapons and open topped. (If you want a weapon you throw a pintle stubber on it). It was fast and could transport 5 guys in style. Good for getting a tiny hardened vet team to where you want them really fast, and a steal at 32 points (with stubber!)