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lanrak
10-08-2007, 17:04
Hi all.
As people perception of value for money is quite subjective.
I just wondered what GW products the good folk on Warseer thought was value for money.

Becuse if people percive GW products to be unecissarly expensive, this is going to hamper any recovery GW PLC might be able to make.

So just to guage oppinoin I thought a poll might be usefull.

TTFN
Lanrak.

EmperorNorton
10-08-2007, 17:43
I really can't vote for any of those options.
Starter boxes I'd say have the best value for their cost.

Usually I buy my stuff on ebay. I guess I pay 60% of the normal price on average and that's what I think would be a fair price for the product.

One thing I recently bought in a store for full price is the Citadel Wood, which I thought was okay for the price (bigger than I expected it to be), but then they increased the price by 10% the next month...

Huw_Dawson
10-08-2007, 17:44
The core game rules.

If I want to play a core game (legally, disregarding e-books etc) then I can spend 30 and have everything I need to start playing, other than models. This is taking into account getting the Blood Angel/Chaos Dwarfs books of the website.

If I was looking into playing DnD, for instance, then for one fellow in the group it's 45 + PnP from Amazon, and the others it's 15. Generally that's a start up cost bookwise of 105 for an entire group.

- Huw

PS: DnD books are about 50 pages shorter than Core rule books!

grickherder
10-08-2007, 18:46
LOTR Plastics. Skull Pass, Macragge, Moria. Some of the battleforces. Ordered from a discounter or off of eBay.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
10-08-2007, 18:52
Depends entirely on how often you are going to use your models, and thus, rules, hobby equipment.

Currently, I manage to play once a week, at the store on Thursday evenings, and can often squeeze in two games a night. This means I am using, on average, my Empire army 104 times a year. Thus far, in under a year, I have spent around 300(ish) on my army, and sundry GW items.

Ergo, each play session effectively costs me 3 a pop. Not bad for a couple of hours entertainment. And thats just counting the games, not the modelling, or my recently discovered tolerance to painting.

Soon, I shall have my own board again, and living with my main opponent, I could be playing 3 or 4 times a week.

Thus, to me, GW products are excellent value for money. Especially as I can always use them once bought.

grickherder
10-08-2007, 19:35
I do agree that some measure of how often they are used, painting time, etc., needs to figure into valuing the purchase. For some painting time lowers the value (not for me though).

One thing I've argued with historicals-only players (I'm a historical gamers myself) is that if you want to figure out the true cost of your miniatures used in a game, you need to take all the miniatures that you've bought that are just sitting in a box in the closet, add the cost of them all up and then divide that by the number of miniatures you actually use (painting/modelling counts as using, ofcourse). A $20 special character is certainly over priced, but less overpriced than $500 worth of 1809 Napoleonic Prussians that will never be painted and just sit in a box.

The trend I've noticed is that many gamers have enough money to buy more figures than they can paint/play with. So I'd say the miniatures that are not painted or played with should factor into the overall cost of the miniatures that are used.

As for the argument of being able to sell the unused stuff at a later date, with the exception of the odd rare piece, you'll likely never be able to get more (or even equal) to what you paid. So I would count them more as a bad capital investment. Like buying beanie babies and saying "I can always sell them."

lanrak
10-08-2007, 21:00
Hi all.
Everone is entitled to thier own oppinoin.
(Dont expect the 'spanish inquisiton.':D)
What you personaly veiw as the best value for money is up to you!

Some folk like plastic minis becuase they belive they are cheaper and easier to convert than metal,and some folk like metal because of the 'feel' or better detailed sculpt.

Some folk like the free SG 'PDF rule download' so they can try out these exelent games.
Others prefer to pay for 'an actual book' to hold .

So please vote how you want to.
If you want to post comments please feel free to do so.
But if you just want to vote thats absolutley fine.

Thankyou for the responce so far.

TTFN
Lanrak.

Eldanar
10-08-2007, 21:56
As for the argument of being able to sell the unused stuff at a later date, with the exception of the odd rare piece, you'll likely never be able to get more (or even equal) to what you paid. So I would count them more as a bad capital investment. Like buying beanie babies and saying "I can always sell them."


I don't know about that...

I have some old dragon ogres sitting on the veritable shelf, and I remember when they were $8 a blister, and that is when I bought them...;)

GW's price increases do more to help the serious second hand seller than to hurt them, particularly if they are willing to buy and then sit on their mini's for 3-5 years. Of course you have to be careful about what you buy...BFM marines or Skull Pass dwarves/goblins, may not quite re-sell for what you paid for them; but if you can remember when the current style rhinos were $18 a box, and you have some unopened, then you are probably going to make money.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
11-08-2007, 00:18
On the subject of re-selling old models....

I'd seriously kill for one of the ORIGINAL Dragon Ogre models....the really big one, with the plate armour and whacky sword!

Crazy Harborc
11-08-2007, 00:36
MDG.....I had not thought about use versus original price as a factor in costs associated with my hobby of wargaming. Interesting view point IMHO.

As far as getting value or a profit out of selling old minies........I have made some nice money on some old, old, old Minifigs (several hundred by the by), Elastolin Hauser castles, Ral Partha, etc. etc.

Oh yes, I have sold my share of old GW minies.......THEY were the ones sold for less than paid. I have saved some bucks buying GW goodies at auctions too.:D

I do have some unopened GW products boxes......A couple of more price jumps and those boxes sold for less than the then list price will still net 15 to 25 bucks a box.;)

revford
11-08-2007, 00:39
I had to vote for the SG rules, you can't beat the value for money of free.

The LOTR plastic boxes are good value too, shame the metal Captains are so steep.

Stella Cadente
11-08-2007, 01:29
I can't vote for any, the plastic LotR models are brilliant value for money, as are the rules, BUT the metal stuff suffers from GW's incessant price rises and so is overpriced and not value for money

and 40k and fantasy is seriously NOT value for money, the rules are pathetic at times, and the models Lazy at best

specialist games are value for money, BUT maybe too expensive these, so not many can enjoy them fully

hobby supplies........*slaps you* don't be stupid, there clippers are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY overpriced, I can buy the same things from the same company for 4

grickherder
11-08-2007, 04:17
Well, those are all great examples of rare/old miniatures. GW does increase their prices, which means you can get more, but I'm guessing that even if you can sell it for more than you got it for, the return is likely not wonderful compared to other places you could have put your money.

My point in raising that as an objection was simply to deal with it so as to not lose my original point (which apparently backfired).

Mikhaila
11-08-2007, 04:41
On the subject of re-selling old models....

I'd seriously kill for one of the ORIGINAL Dragon Ogre models....the really big one, with the plate armour and whacky sword!

Great Model! i have one that I painted up well over a dozen or more years ago, no clue how old it really is. Haven't used it in ages, and hate to get rid of it.

That said, if I do start cleaning off shelves, it's all yours Doc.

VetSgtNamaan
11-08-2007, 05:38
Free rules for the specialist games is a pretty good deal. As for the rule books for 40k , they are not really all that great a deal 70 bucks for a rule book? Sorry I can get 2 dnd books for that price.

And as a player you only need one book to play dnd that being the players handbook. Even then you can get away with the players having the players handbook and the DM having the Dungeons Masters Guide and Monster Manual. Not to mention Wizards puts out errata like blazingly fast compare to GW. But that is getting pretty far off topic.

Chaos and Evil
11-08-2007, 08:41
The specialist games rules are all free, therefore they offer the best value for money (They have infinite value for money!).

If you're talking about actual monetary transactions... the starter box sets are great deals.

Shadowheart
11-08-2007, 09:33
I guess (most of) the large boxed sets (battle/megaforces) offer decent value for money, if you want all that's in there. Beyond that I don't think there's currently any type of GW product that cuts it. It depends on the quality of the particular item, which is of course in the eye of the beholder and all that. While I think the Vostroyans are worth the price, there's no way I'd cough up the same for one of the older Guard regiments.

But yeah, the Specialist Game rules being free kinda settles that one.

Moralein
11-08-2007, 09:44
What about Forgeworld?

Yes, the models are expensive, but they're beautiful. To me I'd rather pay out the extra and have a fantastically detailed model which looks wonderful painted, than save a few quid and have the same Leman Russ as everyone else.

To me the value has a lot to do with the quality of the finished model and Forgeworld is now about the only GW stuff I buy.

lanrak
11-08-2007, 10:55
Hi Moralein.
I didnt include FW or BL as I dont think they have any 'percived poor value for money ' issues..:D

Both of these subsiduaries have well defined products , and target demographic and so they have enough happy customers to keep them profitable.;)

I thought that ' percived poor value for money' was more to do with one of the product types in my poll?;)

No its not any thing but me being curuios about fellow forum members perceptions of VFM.:angel:

TTFN
Lanrak.

Psyren
11-08-2007, 11:05
I voted for the specialist games rules because they are free, so are obviously the best value.:p

crandall87
11-08-2007, 11:40
Boxed sets were good value in 1996. I remember the 10 tactical squad days. I think the best value comes from buying megaforces and battle forces. You save a lot on these.

Chaos and Evil
11-08-2007, 13:25
What about Forgeworld?

Yes, the models are expensive, but they're beautiful. To me I'd rather pay out the extra and have a fantastically detailed model which looks wonderful painted, than save a few quid and have the same Leman Russ as everyone else.

To me the value has a lot to do with the quality of the finished model and Forgeworld is now about the only GW stuff I buy.


As the owner of a 2k Elysian Drop Troops army, I can authoritatively say that Forgeworld does offer good value for money.

But that's still not as good value as the Specialist Games rule books. :)

Mad Doc Grotsnik
11-08-2007, 23:05
To further my point...

I also have around 4,000 points of Epic Orks, unpainted, sitting in storage, with, sadly, very few opponents to play (at the moment) thus, currently, they aren't being terribly good value. Of course, it won't take me much to turn them into better value....

Infect, Convert, Retain! Surely the objective of anyone with a penchant for Specialist Games?

scarletsquig
11-08-2007, 23:21
Bad idea having the specialist game rules on the poll. It's pretty hard to beat "free"

I got interested in epic after reading the firebase article, and it's not just the rulebook that's free... the specialist games website has gigantic amounts of .pdfs containing official extra rules and gamer-created add-ons, tactics articles etc. It's a goldmine! I realise there's only one bloke working on Specialist Games in GW at the moment (Andy), but holy hell, he's doing a good job of it! :D

As far as the rest of GW goes, the 100 warhammer army boxes are the best move I've seen in a long time. Some armies just need a few more plastic units and they'll be viable for a big box release. Hopefully we'll see a few more megaforces for 40k too (c'mon, eldar one already - they've got enough plastic now!)

Gaebriel
12-08-2007, 08:57
Subjectively nothing of the above. Objectively it is plastic models in the apocalypse boxes - the discount would even please me (if plastic models pleased me).

Any GW rule books (except Specialist games) are the least value to me, as I know rules that are 6 a book and much more solid.

As for the models and use debate - I personally get a lot of enjoyment out of displaying and looking at those armies I don't play that day - so for me there is next to no dead weight around.