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			<title>Archers as only Core</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 15:48:47 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I've been playing around with the lists since I got my book and am having a hard time deciding to get any core but block archers. I'm thinking of running 2-3 8x3 blocks buffed by heroes (likely wont by a champ) and the rest of my infantry being elites. In previous iterations spear and to a lesser...]]></description>
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<div>I've been playing around with the lists since I got my book and am having a hard time deciding to get any core but block archers. I'm thinking of running 2-3 8x3 blocks buffed by heroes (likely wont by a champ) and the rest of my infantry being elites. In previous iterations spear and to a lesser extent seaguard were decidedly better for the combat role but current archers are just lightly armored previous edition spear that can shoot, a far better proposition by my eyes. <br />
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I'm having a real difficulty justifying buying spear or seaguard units when I can just run archers 7x3 or 8x3 and force armies to come to me while taking 2 to 3 units of heavy effective fire.  <br />
<br />
With a block of PG (must have) and either a block of SM or WL, I think that's going to be a really hard army. <br />
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In any event, I just can't find a place or advantage to bringing a block of spear, particularly since the best save you can get  is a 5. <br />
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Any thoughts.</div>


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			<dc:creator>Katastrophe</dc:creator>
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			<title>Help Identifying some old miniatures</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 07:31:08 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi, 
 
I've recently been given a box of old stuff most of which I can recognise but there are a couple of pieces I have no idea about. 
 
[img]http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc429/andyfox1976/Vogons%20Chaos%20Dwarf%20Log/IMG_0132_zps1f7762c9.jpg[/IMG] 
 
These guys are really small but look...]]></description>
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<div>Hi,<br />
<br />
I've recently been given a box of old stuff most of which I can recognise but there are a couple of pieces I have no idea about.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc429/andyfox1976/Vogons%20Chaos%20Dwarf%20Log/IMG_0132_zps1f7762c9.jpg" target="_blank">http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1f7762c9.jpg</a><br />
<br />
These guys are really small but look like some sort of goblin?  <br />
<br />
<a href="http://s1211.photobucket.com/user/andyfox1976/media/Vogons%20Chaos%20Dwarf%20Log/IMG_0133_zps60067c9d.jpg.html" target="_blank"><a href="http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc429/andyfox1976/Vogons%20Chaos%20Dwarf%20Log/IMG_0133_zps60067c9d.jpg" target="_blank">http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/...ps60067c9d.jpg</a></a><br />
<br />
This guy has &quot;Games Workshop 1984&quot; on the bottom of the base but can't seem to find it in the old catalogues.<br />
<br />
<br />
Any help would be appreciated.<br />
<br />
Cheers<br />
<br />
Vogon</div>


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			<dc:creator>Vogon</dc:creator>
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			<title>What do Lizardmen Need?</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 21:16:57 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[NOTE: THIS IS NOT A THREAD FOR WISH LISTING. KEEP POSTS LOGICAL AND TO-THE-POINT PLEASE. 
 
I have decided to take up interest in the Lizardmen when they get their update. Needless to say I have plenty of time to wait but until then, I'd like some perspective on what the Lizardmen need in the next...]]></description>
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<div>NOTE: THIS IS NOT A THREAD FOR WISH LISTING. KEEP POSTS LOGICAL AND TO-THE-POINT PLEASE.<br />
<br />
I have decided to take up interest in the Lizardmen when they get their update. Needless to say I have plenty of time to wait but until then, I'd like some perspective on what the Lizardmen need in the next update.<br />
<br />
From what they have in their range, I personally think that what they need, miniature-wise are some much needed core choice and rare choice updates as well as some more convertible character models to make your individual hero or lord. As for the rules, from a quick look-through of their rule book I think they need something to give them more of an identity. In my humble opinion, they almost have an Empire feel now.<br />
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Please share what you think the Lizardmen need.</div>


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			<dc:creator>Lornak Bloodgreed</dc:creator>
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			<title>Moving to NJ</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 18:23:03 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I'll be moving to (northern) NJ this summer. Does anyone know of some good places to play Fantasy? Any groups meeting in someone's basement? 
 
I thought I noticed on their calendar that Gamer's Gambit has a time dedicated to Fantasy, but it's hard to know when those things are accurate and...]]></description>
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<div>I'll be moving to (northern) NJ this summer. Does anyone know of some good places to play Fantasy? Any groups meeting in someone's basement?<br />
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I thought I noticed on their calendar that Gamer's Gambit has a time dedicated to Fantasy, but it's hard to know when those things are accurate and up-to-date.</div>


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			<dc:creator>pop daddy</dc:creator>
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			<title>Monsters Monsters everywhere</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 18:05:04 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello folks, 
 
so I have some hobby funds ($275 in hobby store credit) and I get 25% of model prices. I have enough models for a 2500pt army and I am happy with that and don't want to do anything army related over the next 6 months or so.  
 
So my frioend had the great idea of painting the big...]]></description>
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<div>Hello folks,<br />
<br />
so I have some hobby funds ($275 in hobby store credit) and I get 25% of model prices. I have enough models for a 2500pt army and I am happy with that and don't want to do anything army related over the next 6 months or so. <br />
<br />
So my frioend had the great idea of painting the big models just for fun! Sounds agreat idea and definitely a fun project for the next few months. My dilemma and hopefully what you guys and gals can help me with is which ones?<br />
<br />
I already have ready to build and paint:<br />
<br />
Giant<br />
Ghorgon/Cygor<br />
Slaughterbrute/Vortex Beast<br />
Stonehorn/Thundertusk<br />
<br />
So if you could for the monies above build and paint the monsters of our awesome world which would they be?<br />
<br />
I am already thinking a dragon (DE one), Stegadon (the original big guy) and possibly the Necrosphinx.</div>


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			<dc:creator>RTGamer</dc:creator>
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			<title>Greatswords against Ogres?</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 17:37:17 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[So I've casually been building an Empire army. I have a few units, swordsmen, demigryph knights, Hellblaster, Mortar - Karl Franz (for fun).  
 
I'm thinking of picking up greatswords b/c I like the models, are they going to get stomped against ogres? Should I get halberds instead?  
 
Ealdwulf]]></description>
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<div>So I've casually been building an Empire army. I have a few units, swordsmen, demigryph knights, Hellblaster, Mortar - Karl Franz (for fun). <br />
<br />
I'm thinking of picking up greatswords b/c I like the models, are they going to get stomped against ogres? Should I get halberds instead? <br />
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Ealdwulf</div>


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			<dc:creator>Ealdwulf</dc:creator>
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			<title>Software People use to Create GW like books?</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 22:02:34 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I don't know where to post this so I apologize if this is blatantly the wrong spot.  
 
Does anyone know what program people use to make the GW style books? Such as the Kislev, Halfling and Amazon books?  
 
Thank You.]]></description>
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<div>I don't know where to post this so I apologize if this is blatantly the wrong spot. <br />
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Does anyone know what program people use to make the GW style books? Such as the Kislev, Halfling and Amazon books? <br />
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Thank You.</div>


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			<dc:creator>Myster2</dc:creator>
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			<title>Why so much hate for tzeentch since 8th ed?</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 11:06:22 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>As the title said searching in the forums and other warhammer forums and there seems to be a lot of hate can someone tell me why?  
From what I see tzeentch they seem very magic based (the reason I picked them)</description>
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<div>As the title said searching in the forums and other warhammer forums and there seems to be a lot of hate can someone tell me why? <br />
From what I see tzeentch they seem very magic based (the reason I picked them)</div>


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			<dc:creator>Xaric</dc:creator>
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			<title>Nagash 8th edition update petition</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 19:04:50 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi all, 
As Nagash is one of the legendary characters in the Warhammer World, I for one would love to see an update to his rules and that god-awful clown-like sculpt. I can't see GW or Forgeworld updating him any time soon but I've create a petition to show GW how much interested and love there is...]]></description>
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<div>Hi all,<br />
As Nagash is one of the legendary characters in the Warhammer World, I for one would love to see an update to his rules and that god-awful clown-like sculpt. I can't see GW or Forgeworld updating him any time soon but I've create a petition to show GW how much interested and love there is for the character and how many people would love to see his return (if any). We all knew he rocked it in 5th edition and imagine the fun us undead players could have duelling with Teclis again! This is purely speculation and wishlisting and the petition probably won't go anywhere, but maybe they will look at it if it received 5k to 10k+ sigs.<br />
<br />
<br />
Please help by signing if your interested in Nagash's return!<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/release-a-nagash-modelrules-for-warhammer-fantasy/" target="_blank">http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/r...ammer-fantasy/</a><br />
<br />
<br />
<i>(To mods: Please delete this thread if it's deemed unreasonable, I wasn't sure if petitions were acceptable on WS.)</i></div>


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			<dc:creator>Spaceboy</dc:creator>
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			<title>Should Healing Units and Characters be limited to Undead Armies?</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 18:19:44 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[This came up recently on another thread, and I thought it would be interesting to hear people's opinions. 
 
Basically, should the healing of either characters and/or be limited to undead armies?]]></description>
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<div>This came up recently on another thread, and I thought it would be interesting to hear people's opinions.<br />
<br />
Basically, should the healing of either characters and/or be limited to undead armies?</div>


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			<dc:creator>Vipoid</dc:creator>
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			<title>Siege of Vraks Beastmen</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 04:28:45 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Right, so Chaos Cultists have been pretty much bad mouthed into the dirt by this point, so might as well give up on them.  For now... ;p 
 
But I am curious about the Siege of Vraks Beastman packs.  I don't have IA6 myself, yet, but before I go and pay for a book I only want one little thing from,...]]></description>
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<div>Right, so Chaos Cultists have been pretty much bad mouthed into the dirt by this point, so might as well give up on them.  For now... ;p<br />
<br />
But I am curious about the Siege of Vraks Beastman packs.  I don't have IA6 myself, yet, but before I go and pay for a book I only want one little thing from, I just want to know, how do the Beastmen actually perform in 6th Edition?  Does anyone use them at all?  Or are they yet another idea better represented by proxies?</div>


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			<dc:creator>M@L@L</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[Initiative: Let's save the Nuns]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 20:39:05 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hello to everyone. I come to make a call for solidarity to the community  warhammera the 41 millennium. And  special and strongly ask the  moderators to allow me to propose this  initiative somewhat unusual in  the forum, and I apologize for such a  crazy idea. 
 
The  idea is simple, ask anyone...</description>
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<div>Hello to everyone. I come to make a call for solidarity to the community  warhammera the 41 millennium. And  special and strongly ask the  moderators to allow me to propose this  initiative somewhat unusual in  the forum, and I apologize for such a  crazy idea.<br />
<br />
The  idea is simple, ask anyone who is willing and able to lend a hand,  send  an email to Games Workshop calling for the restoration of the  Sisters  of Battle, the dear nuns sinister universe.<br />
What do I mean by this? In principal, two specific things:<br />
<br />
1)  On the one hand, that GW do not forget this charismatic relege army  and  not to a section within the Grey Knights codex (as has been  circulating  a rumor-standing) or that the recluyan to a section of a  little  magazine ( as is the current situation).<br />
2) And second, it is fixed by the outrage induced by one person,  charging and passing by the place where insurance does not get sun, a  background of over 20 years of history. <br />
 To be more clear, that the Adept Sororitas / Sisters of Battle  again become the member of Ordo Hereticus camera as it had been since  its inception, as it dictates the result of the Assembly of Nephilim.<br />
<br />
The  idea is to show that gambling GW by the nuns is profitable, so the  more  you receive emails asking about this army, more palpable would  this  fact: that the Sisters of Battle can make them earn money!<br />
<br />
I  know that's not the only disgraced codex, which even today is quite   playable (I can vouch for that), and there are several other codex that   need more than a renewal of the Sisters (like the Black Templars). But  the truth is that no army (except Necron) was so hackneyed  trasfondisticamente like girls. And  it's time that we show GW you have  to respect some of the history and  soul of armies, not just dismember  because a crazy fanatic would think  do what you want whenever you grab a  codex to renew (I've banned myself to appoint such an animal).<br />
<br />
So, now you know. All who want to support this initiative, please send an email letting them know your concerns to this address:<br />
<br />
Thank you very much for all your support.</div>


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			<dc:creator>Phyrex</dc:creator>
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			<title>Question about experience building the new Finecast Hellcannon</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 18:25:48 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I always liked the hellcannon model but local players had negative experiences building the metal models so I never bought it.  They didn't compare it to the Doomdiver or anything (known locally as the worst model to put together that GW ever released because it all balanced on one point) but they...]]></description>
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<div>I always liked the hellcannon model but local players had negative experiences building the metal models so I never bought it.  They didn't compare it to the Doomdiver or anything (known locally as the worst model to put together that GW ever released because it all balanced on one point) but they always had to do so much putty work that the kit was not well thought of.<br />
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Now that the model is available in Finecast, is it better to put together?  What are your experiences?</div>


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			<dc:creator>jaxom</dc:creator>
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			<title>non battle royal multiplayer</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 18:25:15 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hey all, If this should be in the rules section and not here please move it. 
I am hoping to do some 2v2 battles soon and have some questions, will also be doing a 3v5 but as the change of turn order in battle royal removes the warhammer feel and makes me feel im playing something else i want it to...</description>
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<div>Hey all, If this should be in the rules section and not here please move it.<br />
I am hoping to do some 2v2 battles soon and have some questions, will also be doing a 3v5 but as the change of turn order in battle royal removes the warhammer feel and makes me feel im playing something else i want it to work as close to normal as possible. <br />
<br />
I know wanting to do a 3v5 sounds odd but we are doing a tournament system and it will be the top 3 vs the bottom 5. do you think every player having the same number of points is going to make this too imbalanced?<br />
<br />
What is a good point size for a 2v2 or 3v5 game? im guessing it will take a little bit longer to play but do how much worse does it make it?<br />
<br />
Are they any cool scenarios you can suggest?<br />
<br />
Do you allow allies to freely talk tactics or use some sort of system? i read in the big rule book that each player gets 2 &quot;messengers&quot; and if they use one they get a few minutes to talk about tactics and that is it, discussing it at any other time invokes penalties. obviously other talk is always allowed otherwise it gets quite boring.<br />
<br />
How are the ally rules from the book? with a dark elf and a skaven player in our group of 8 and i don't want their teams getting screwed over. Are there any changes you think will benefit the game?<br />
<br />
How do you guys do deployment? <br />
I don't want the game to end up being 2 separate battles that just happen to be side by side (with little to no cross over) tho i also don't want to put too many restrictions in removing all a players tactical choice and freedom (eg random deployment)<br />
Do you think playing diagonally would be better as it increases the &quot;frontage&quot; of deployment on a 6x4 table<br />
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Has anyone ever put a hero in someone elses unit? if so how does movement work?<br />
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How do you do magic? is splitting the dice in half allowing players a decent amount of spells or is it leaving the magic phase a bit lackluster, If so how do you do it?<br />
What about spells that names a unit/race? (eg orc spells) <br />
How do you dispel? id say priority to dispelling goes to the targeted player but do you allow the ally to attempt it if the target doesn't? (i wont allow multiple dispel attempts so if target player fails then the spell is cast) what about when a player buffs a unit of their own/allies and other non targeted spells? (eg comet)<br />
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How do you do combats with more then 2 different players units involved? does the combat res apply to each alliance or something else?<br />
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Do you use victory points per alliance, use an objective based system or something else?<br />
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Any other advice you have to make these sort of battles work?<br />
Will add anymore questions when i think of them :)<br />
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