By KOW I mean mantics Kings of War.

Just a thought I had, I mean Betrayal (while a wonderfully made book) keeps the same problem that its forbearer has. It's a skirmish game ham-fistedly smashed into an army game. Even apocalypse can't really gather the sheer awe inspiring nature of mass astartes on astartes clashes.

A recent aquisition has got me wondering what the terms Unreleased, Limited and Rare mean in relation to various models in terms of numbers produced / available.

It would seem that most limited editions probably number in the 5,000 to 10,000 in some cases (i.e. forgeworld open day minis! / gamesday).

For unreleased minis does anyone have an idea on the production numbers? I'm sure some are one off (i.e. resin masters) or produced in low numbers (<10) but how many do things that crop up on eBay such as the eldar farseers total?

This could be a difficult question due to the propensity of recasts and the like but I would be interested to know.

Regards

Fraggle

Question ive asked for about a decade. What is it about games like warmaster, lotr, hail caesar, etc that repel players?

Ive heard several theories:
* too balanced. Those games are about common troops where heroes provide buffs not where heroes can level armies by themselves

* no combos to exploit

* units too similar

Do we pay lip service to wanting balance? Do players really need systems with gamist elements to min/max on to enjoy the game

Is paper/rock/scissors design really superior to anything else?

What about those systems is so inferior that you can never find players for them and if you do they are usually the older crowd?

So...

It's been 4 years since space hulk's runaway success. Copies still tote for loads on ebay, and it still has a great following online, and whilst not played often in local gaming groups, if someone brings it down, we love playing it.

It's also been just about 18 months since dreadfleet... and all the associated opinions. This is not a thread for why dreadfleet sucks, why it's amazing, or why it plonked. It did plonk, it didnt sell nearly as well as GW hoped, had copies sitting on the shelves for months before they were recalled and burnt, and even then, you can pick up copies for a pittance online (~30% of its RRP) and in my local gaming groups, it was played twice, before briefly considering other systems to use the models in, and then nothing.


My question is... Do we think we'll be seeing a big, self contained, never expanded box set this summer/autumn? Personally, with rumours of BB etc, I think it'd be a crying shame for them not to try, though BB support is falling with the removal of SG from the webstore. BB would also be great with addition rules, teams and star players released - Which doesnt sound like the plan with the other two boxed games. Finally, we can assume GW are a bit cautious not to get their fingers burned again, this time round. (Personally, if it's BB, I wont buy it - I much prefer dreadball.) I could see myself potentially buying a 6-10mm fantasy game though, such as a reboxed warmaster.

Thoughts?

I started this thread just to keep track of missing metal (and Finecast) products for 40k and Fantasy (before they delete the product pages). Feel free to contribute.

14. 5. 2013

UK/Europe

40k
*Preacher with Laspistol
*Grey Knight Inquisitor with Plasma Pistol
*Grey Knight Inquisitor with Power Sword
*Imperial Guard Cadian Officers with Power Swords
*Imperial Guard Vostroyan Officer with Power Fist :mad:
*Grot Assistants
*Mordian Missile Launcher Team
*Imperial Guard Mordian Sergeant
*Mordian with Grenade Launcher
*some Valhallans, but that was some days ago

Fantasy
*Bretonnian Damsel with Sword
*Tomb Kings Tomb Swarm
*Sorcerer of Chaos
*Wood Elf Wardancer Whirling Death
*Arcane Books

This is a bit of a whinging thread about Gw aus. I have to say I have never seen a company that doesn't want to make money and help their situation as much as Gw. Firstly they close Sunday-Mondays across all stores in nsw ( possibly aus??). They close for one hour quite regularly on Tuesdays and Wednesdays for lunch.?!? And then like today I had made the hike into the city to go to their store and boom closed for stocktake.
Sure it was posted up on Facebook they were closed but why should I have to look online to see if a retail store is open beforehand?!?
What kind of company can't adequately staff to cover breaks so they don't have to close and can't oragnise outside of business hours stocktake like every other retail business in the world??

Is it just me that can't stand the situation gw Australia has taken since about November last year?

First off, I'm NOT trying to suggest that GW is dishonest or sneaky.

I was just thinking about the last thing that motivated me to buy a product from GW (over a year ago). It was the idea that what I wanted was about to become harder to get. I bought it because I was afraid of missing my chance to buy it at a reasonable price. Whether or not it was GW's intention, the annual price hike generated a sale from me in May 2012.*

The whole concept of "Limited edition" as a marketing tool revolves around scaring people into thinking that they will miss their chance if they don't BUY IT NOW. We saw Dreadfleet fail despite its presentation as a limited item, presumably because no one actually thought it was worth the sticker price, limited or not.

Recently, we saw specialist games. For SGs, the scare motivated a huge number of sales despite there not really being a "limited edition" label on them. GW no doubt got a lot more business last week than they were expecting, and I believe many people were purchasing because they were afraid that the models would become prohibitively rare or expensive (eBay) after they were NLA from Games Workshop.

In the wake of the chaos, one can make an observation. Several items are NLA in the UK, but still available in the US or other markets. The US now has a Battlefleet Gothic product range that is double the size of the range offered to UK and Europe. This means one of two things: either (1) GW had less stock per customer in UK/Europe, or (2) the stock was relatively balanced and demand is lower in other parts of the world than in UK/Europe.

Because this is Specialist Games, regional demand forecast is sort of aside the point. They botched that years ago, and market conditions have changed since then.

Option 1 strikes me as highly unlikely, because they are a UK based company and I think they know (or plan on) having a large amount of business done in the UK. I'm inclined to believe option 2.

We see that people can be interested in a product without actually committing to buy. They see it on the market and think "that will be there later, when I want to use it." But then the fear that the thing they like will become unattainable is what actually motivates a sale in these cases. Conversely, where there is no interest, there is no sale. (See Dreadfleet.)

So interest in a product is necessary for a sale, but not sufficient for a sale. However, interest+fear is sufficient for a sale. (See Specialist Games.)

The simple fact that SGs haven't sold as well in the US leads to the conclusion that there is simply less interest in them here. People know that they'll be gone forever, and yet many of the products are still available.

Question 1: why is there less interest?
Question 2: how long before they get pulled and destroyed like dreadfleet?
Question 3: if question 2 is a practical concern, how long before they pull and destroy LotR and Sisters of Battle?
Question 4: if question 3 is a practical concern, does anyone think my SoB collection will ever be worth more money? Maybe even what I paid for it?

*This is not a pricing thread.

I am curious if GW does any social media training for their store managers? If not, I would really suggest they look into investing some money into it as their current social media practices worry me as a consumer. Many of the facebook posts seem desperate, invasive, and strange. Their marketing campaign also seems very at odds with the practices I have been taught. Granted, I can't necessarily with their results, as they are a successful company, but is this something GW should try to improve? What do y'all think?

Looking to get in my next bulk purchase before he next one hits, anyone know anything on this yet?

I just felt I needed to air this.

I recently travelled to Warhammer World where a friend bought Tyrion (which had to be cast up as they didn't have it in stock). When we got back and he went to assemble it he found they had duplicated a part where there should have been two different parts. He had to complain to his local store (Newcastle) where they ordered a Tyrion into store.

Now in the past GW were always great when it came to stuff like this, and would just give you the whole new model and let you keep the old one however the store made him get the missing part from the new box they got in and he also had to return the duplicated part!

I don't understand why they did this, since the model is finecast and afaik they can't recast it due to the resin in the product (If it was plastic they could just melt it and reuse it).

This totally sucks, and my friend didn't even get a "Sorry for the inconvenience" from the store!

Absolute disgrace!

Greetings,

I'm interested in hearing what others think about the idea of GW closing their retail stores and instead concentrate on manufacturing and distributing their product to LGS and through their website. Would this help their long term survival or start them down that slippery slope? I would imagine the new capital from selling, or simply not renting, that much property would be a great boon. Then they could hire people to act as sales reps and run demos at various stores during the month.

I have enjoyed the time I spent at their stores, but I can't help but wonder if there could be a more cost effective way. I'm imagining that a GW Expert would simply make the rounds between different stores and do all of the expected things, like painting lessons or judging local tournaments without having to actually run the register. Thus they are all about the 'hobby' and leave sales to the store staff. Each Expert would have their own 'area' and they would work as a go-between from the LGS and GW distribution. Maybe have them work on commission for kits ordered by the stores in their area.

With Specialist games going I was wondering what the community felt about the continued support of the LOTR/Hobbit games.

This is not a hate thread for either SG or LOTR , this is just asking a question, yes we all know that a large majority of GW's continued existence and great plastic kits are due to the LOTR bubble so don't bring that up either.

Not sure if this is the right place for this question but for lack of a better location I'll start it here and an admin can move it if there is a better location.

I am returning to Warhammer after stopping shortly after 8th came out. I'm happy to see the iBook option for the new books but as I don't have an iReader of any kind, I am interested in finding out whether or not it is legal and possible to convert them so that I can put them on my Kindle. The goal being, of course, to carry my Kindle down to the gaming shop instead of multiple books.

I know there are apps which convert some iBooks to epub or mobi so that they can be put on Kindles but I also know that the books are being published in the iBookstore for iBooks 3.0. What I *don't* know is whether or not that 3.0 format makes them impossible to convert.

Does anyone have experience with converting the digital books to a format usable on a Kindle Fire? Does anyone have both an iBook reader and a Kindle Fire who would be willing to attempt the conversion and comment on the results?

I am loathe to drop $50 on a copy of the iBook and then be unable to convert it so there is no way to take the book down to the game shop but I don't know enough about the existing iBook format to find a comparable (cheap) book to test on and make sure that I am testing the functionality that would need to be present in a conversion of the armybooks.

I picked this up on a financial forum, but on 19 April, the board issued the following RNS:

"In the four months to 7 April 2013 trading has been broadly in line with the board's expectations."

It is word for word identical to the previous few years, so read into that what you will.

Interestingly though, the stock rose almost 3% today for no particular reason. One wonders whether the rumours that the Company may shortly be sold off, which I have seen gaining traction in some quarters, could be starting to leak out to the brokers.