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			<title>Stuck on a detachment</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 00:02:07 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I have a 750 daemon army (slaanesh themed) with the forgeworld keeper of secrets as my centrepiece model. Now I am not really sure if I want to take a noise marine detachment which will consist of a chaos lord with A few gadgets , 2 units of noise marines (all upgraded) and a forgefiend. All that...</description>
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<div>I have a 750 daemon army (slaanesh themed) with the forgeworld keeper of secrets as my centrepiece model. Now I am not really sure if I want to take a noise marine detachment which will consist of a chaos lord with A few gadgets , 2 units of noise marines (all upgraded) and a forgefiend. All that comes to 750. Or I can add more daemons to my army which means I will be putting in 2 daemon princes, 15 seekers and a unit of 10 daemonettes which also comes to 750.<br />
<br />
 I am really stuck atm...don't know what to get, I love the idea of noise marines but I have been put off by the guns abit as they don't look that nice (the pix ive seen on the net really) now im not sure if its the positioning or just not very good effort at painting but it didn't look as impressive as it thought it would.<br />
And then theres the daemon side of it , more models and it seems a bit more competitive? I dunno im not like a mega competitive player but do play in a semi competitive environment so not sure what to go for really, please help<br />
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			<title>IG vehicle question.....</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 21:17:26 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>We have a friend that wants to mount a thudgun on his griffin rather than the regular mortar..... 
 
we are allowing it under house rules.... 
we couldnt find anything disallowing it per se.... 
 
1.    Is it legal in regular 40k? 
2    Would you allow it in your (or your opponets) army? 
 
like I...</description>
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<div>We have a friend that wants to mount a thudgun on his griffin rather than the regular mortar.....<br />
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we are allowing it under house rules....<br />
we couldnt find anything disallowing it per se....<br />
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1.    Is it legal in regular 40k?<br />
2    Would you allow it in your (or your opponets) army?<br />
<br />
like I said, our group is allowing this conversion, <br />
but its got me curious....<br />
as  Ive not been able to find an answer in the faqs / rulebooks....<br />
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thanx</div>


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			<title>Ghazkull Quote</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 18:01:23 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[What is the full quote where Ghazkull proclaims himself prophet of the Waaagh? I would check but I don't have access to the book at the moment.]]></description>
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<div>What is the full quote where Ghazkull proclaims himself prophet of the Waaagh? I would check but I don't have access to the book at the moment.</div>


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			<title>Bastion Dimensions?</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 12:07:35 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi, I'm planning to convert/build a bastion for my sisters of battle. Does anyone have the dimensions of the GW bastion as I want to make mine as close to the original to keep things fair. Specifically can anyone tell me:  
 
* the base width, i assume it is a square, and the bastion total height...]]></description>
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<div>Hi, I'm planning to convert/build a bastion for my sisters of battle. Does anyone have the dimensions of the GW bastion as I want to make mine as close to the original to keep things fair. Specifically can anyone tell me: <br />
<ul><li style="">the base width, i assume it is a square, and the bastion total height</li><li style="">the height of the bolter sponsons/firepoints</li><li style="">the height of the battlement walls from the roof/floor</li><li style="">also are the fire points the same on all four facings?</li></ul><br />
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Thanks for any help you can give.</div>


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			<dc:creator>JC1</dc:creator>
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			<title>Has your Eldar army changed already? Only due to the pics and runours?</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 08:36:45 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Question came up due to people stating they would buy this or that just for the model not for gaming. 
 
So here is my go. 
I shall purchase at least one Knight and will likely field it in some games over 2k but not in smaller ones. I simply need the points for a working warhost in those games. 
IF...</description>
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<div>Question came up due to people stating they would buy this or that just for the model not for gaming.<br />
<br />
So here is my go.<br />
I shall purchase at least one Knight and will likely field it in some games over 2k but not in smaller ones. I simply need the points for a working warhost in those games.<br />
IF we get a points reduction or significant boost in capability this might change.<br />
<br />
The flyer has not had enough info and picture up until now. Besides I have a Nightwing, will have a Phoenix and the currently available pictures do not measure up to them.</div>


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			<dc:creator>murgel2006</dc:creator>
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			<title>Does anyone adhere to the old fluff?</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 02:51:31 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[So I'm just wondering if anyone eschews the new fluff and adheres to the older interpretations of fluff. For example; how many of you stick to the rendition of the 3rd edition Necrons and C'tan who were more than angry body snatchers? How many of you still subscribe to old 1st edition fluff where...]]></description>
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<div>So I'm just wondering if anyone eschews the new fluff and adheres to the older interpretations of fluff. For example; how many of you stick to the rendition of the 3rd edition Necrons and C'tan who were more than angry body snatchers? How many of you still subscribe to old 1st edition fluff where the Iron Warriors are Slaanesh aligned, Leman Russ is a IG general, and Lion El'Jonson is spelt Lyyn Elgonsen? Oh how could I also forget an important fluff tidbit; that the Ultramarines are a successor chapter of the Rainbow Marines. <br />
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Also if anyone knows some cool old 1st edition fluff tidbits feel free to shout them out in this thread.</div>


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			<title>Codex Supplements</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 00:43:47 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[So it seems that Codex Supplements for specific factions are returnign, with Iyanden for the upcomign Eldar codex. 
One the one hand, I'm hoping it's used to portray the different craftworlds and chaos legions properly, on the other, it does make me worried there will be no way to play Iyanden...]]></description>
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<div>So it seems that Codex Supplements for specific factions are returnign, with Iyanden for the upcomign Eldar codex.<br />
One the one hand, I'm hoping it's used to portray the different craftworlds and chaos legions properly, on the other, it does make me worried there will be no way to play Iyanden fluffily in the new codex, forcing me to buy both if I wish to continue using my Iyanden force.<br />
So what does everyone think of codex supplements, and do you think we will have more, and how do you think they may affect 40k as a whole?</div>


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			<title>New Space Marine Dex?</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 23:04:44 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Im looking to start a new SM battleforce using the Scythes of the Emereror and I was wondering if there is any estimate on the newest SM dex being released?</description>
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<div>Im looking to start a new SM battleforce using the Scythes of the Emereror and I was wondering if there is any estimate on the newest SM dex being released?</div>


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			<dc:creator>Winterfell</dc:creator>
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			<title>Getting back into wh40k</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 19:06:39 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I am getting back into wh40k and would like some help selecting a new army.  I have read over the rules changes, which for me are drastic (haven't played since 3rd).  I understand I will never get my cheesy Iron Warriors army back from the 3.5 codex.  I am thinking about getting back into Chaos...]]></description>
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<div>I am getting back into wh40k and would like some help selecting a new army.  I have read over the rules changes, which for me are drastic (haven't played since 3rd).  I understand I will never get my cheesy Iron Warriors army back from the 3.5 codex.  I am thinking about getting back into Chaos Space Marines MSU Slaanesh list or Necrons are my two top contenders.  I am leaning to CSM Slaanesh army and converting the DA Dark Vengeance bits.<br />
<br />
I would like the communities thoughts on a good starter army and an army easy to start on a budget.</div>


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			<dc:creator>Raven1</dc:creator>
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			<title>Building your Dark Angels army, what to buy?</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:38:25 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi! i've bought the Dark Vengence limited box when it was released, and thought it was time to take up the Dark Angels now. 
So what DA boxes should you buy too get the most out of each box, when it comes too converting and making each guy unique, and hopefully get some bits over for later :)]]></description>
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<div>Hi! i've bought the Dark Vengence limited box when it was released, and thought it was time to take up the Dark Angels now.<br />
So what DA boxes should you buy too get the most out of each box, when it comes too converting and making each guy unique, and hopefully get some bits over for later :)</div>


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			<dc:creator>storivar09</dc:creator>
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			<title>13th company</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:24:45 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I want to do a 13th company themed army and was wondering if I bought the space wolf battalion and a box of chaos marines how many due reckon I could make out if the two sets</description>
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<div>I want to do a 13th company themed army and was wondering if I bought the space wolf battalion and a box of chaos marines how many due reckon I could make out if the two sets</div>


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			<dc:creator>Craskie12</dc:creator>
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			<title>Quick question about the Dark angels veterans box.</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 16:51:09 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Is the whole upgrade sprue included in the box or is it a seperate upgrade sprue from the one that you can only get online ? 
 
ie this one 
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat860013a&prodId=prod900140a 
 
Cause they do not show the sprues contained within the...]]></description>
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<div>Is the whole upgrade sprue included in the box or is it a seperate upgrade sprue from the one that you can only get online ?<br />
<br />
ie this one<br />
<a href="http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat860013a&amp;prodId=prod900140a" target="_blank">http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod900140a</a><br />
<br />
Cause they do not show the sprues contained within the box.. =( <br />
<a href="http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat860008a&amp;prodId=prod1060236" target="_blank">http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1060236</a></div>


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			<dc:creator>Nkari</dc:creator>
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			<title>Dark Eldar Wishlist</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 12:37:01 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Well, it's far, far off by any chance. But after new codices, and edition chance, some aspects of our current codex makes me a bit sad :) 
 
There are some of changes i would like to see; 
 
Raiders, Venoms: Rapid Deployment; Grants them a rule to passengers fire or disembark if moved at cruising...]]></description>
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<div>Well, it's far, far off by any chance. But after new codices, and edition chance, some aspects of our current codex makes me a bit sad :)<br />
<br />
There are some of changes i would like to see;<br />
<br />
Raiders, Venoms: Rapid Deployment; Grants them a rule to passengers fire or disembark if moved at cruising speed. Avoid Exploded! damage on 5+. No point changes (already expensive, this way at least it does something it's supposed to be good at).<br />
<br />
Venoms: Chariots??.<br />
<br />
Voidraven Bomber: Implosion missiles costs 10 points cheaper. Void lances are blast. Keeps missile setting as it is. Points up, likely 175 points base (So it will be what it supposed to be, extremely good against ground targets but vulnerable to other flyers, as bombers are).<br />
<br />
Razorwing Jetfighter: Heat lances, heavy disintegrator cannons(S7 Heavy 2), or dark lances as main weapon. Vector dancer. Basic missiles changes as Heavy 1 S5, Armorbane. Basically your anti-air&amp;armour combat monster.<br />
<br />
Splinter Weaponary: Change it's Strength to 3. Poisoned 5+.<br />
<br />
Flickerfield: Gives Stealth, or Shrouded if moved flat out.<br />
<br />
Warriors: Point cost Drops to 7.<br />
Trueborn: Tank hunters, Splinter weapons are Poisoned 4+. Ghostplate armor. They are THE rich bastards...<br />
Warriors and Trueborn: Dark lances costs 15, blasters 10. They aren't good as GW thinks they are.<br />
Wyches: Point cost Drops to 9. 5++ Dodge save against overwatch.<br />
Bloodbrides: Dodge Save increased to 3++, 4++ against overwatch.<br />
Incubi: Tormentor stones; Counts as offensive granades.<br />
Hellions: I didn't used them much, so i cannot say anything about that.<br />
Beastmasters: Same with hellions.<br />
Reaver Jetbikes: They already rock. And i don't think they should be nerfed, they pay the price for what they do, and can die in seconds if handled poorly.<br />
Heamonculi, Master Heamonculi: +1 LD. Some changes about wargear... The list is damn too long. System failure. Head explodes.<br />
Grotesque, Wracks: Fnp increased to 4+.<br />
Scourges: Point cost drops to 15.<br />
Mandrakes: Moving Shadows; Opponent can't fire overwatch when assaulted by mandrakes. Phased into void; CC attacks are rending, invul is 4++.<br />
Cronos: +6&quot; range to it's weapons and it's &quot;loving is sharing&quot; ability.<br />
Cronos and Talos: FnP is 4+. Roadblock.<br />
Ravager: 5 points drop, maybe. But still seems fine.<br />
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			<dc:creator>Lath-rael</dc:creator>
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			<title>Titans Doubles Tournament Oct. 2013</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 09:26:28 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hi Guys, 
 
On Saturday 26th October 2013 We are holding our first doubles Tournament at the Wargames Holiday Centre. The armies will be a total of 3,000 points with 3 games being played over the course of the day. We have a very experienced team of referees in the shape of Nick Jenkin, Mark Waple...</description>
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<div>Hi Guys,<br />
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On Saturday 26th October 2013 We are holding our first doubles Tournament at the Wargames Holiday Centre. The armies will be a total of 3,000 points with 3 games being played over the course of the day. We have a very experienced team of referees in the shape of Nick Jenkin, Mark Waple and myself, Mark and I were involved in the original ASMoH events, Mark going on to be a senior referee at the Games Workshop events, while Nick has gone on to organise and run his &quot;VonWar&quot; events!  This will ensure that your day will be without pain and every game should be a good deal of fun.  All the terrain for the tables is custom made and of high quality.<br />
<br />
Tickets will be £30 per team, this includes lunch. Refreshments will also be available throughout the day.<br />
<br />
<br />
Contact: Mark Freeth on <a href="mailto:info@wargameshc.co.uk">info@wargameshc.co.uk</a> to reserve your place and get a full rules pack.<br />
<br />
There, I think that's it!! Any questions just mail me.<br />
<br />
See you there...<br />
<br />
Mark.</div>


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			<dc:creator>OWCriminal</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA['Illegal' Armies]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 06:00:29 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Greeting all. I would like to ask, does anyone here use an army that is either illegal, unofficial or even of their own design, by agreement with their regular opponents, because it allows you to use something unusual or create something that isn't represented by strict use of the current range of...]]></description>
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<div>Greeting all. I would like to ask, does anyone here use an army that is either illegal, unofficial or even of their own design, by agreement with their regular opponents, because it allows you to use something unusual or create something that isn't represented by strict use of the current range of official codex books?<br />
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I for example use a Witch Hunters army. When I say Witch Hunters, I don't mean Sisters of Battle, I mean Witch Hunters. To do this I have taken the descriptions of the Inquisitor in the Grey Knights Codex literally (it says that the entry could represent Inquisitors from any Ordo) and taken the entire section on Inquisitors and Imperial Agents from the Grey Knights book, and added it to the White Dwarf Sisters of Battle list. All this does in my opinion is what GW should hsve done in the first place, rather than taking the Inquisition and Agents out.<br />
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I have also seen several Mechanicus armies about. What rules are used for these? Counts as?<br />
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Thanks.</div>


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