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			<title>Is Draigowing dead or...?</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 17:41:25 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi guys, 
 
 
I'm tempted to start a Draigowing army. Why? 
 
 
+ It's probably the cheapest army you can play. In a world where GW keeps raising prices, that's not a bad thing! 
+ The GK models, and especially the Terminators, are awesome models. 
+ You only have so much time, having to paint that...]]></description>
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<div>Hi guys,<br />
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<br />
I'm tempted to start a Draigowing army. Why?<br />
<br />
<br />
+ It's probably the cheapest army you can play. In a world where GW keeps raising prices, that's not a bad thing!<br />
+ The GK models, and especially the Terminators, are awesome models.<br />
+ You only have so much time, having to paint that few models....great!<br />
<br />
<br />
Now, I did my research and the typical 1750 list I keep seeing is pretty much:<br />
<br />
Draigo<br />
10 Paladins<br />
1 Solodin<br />
2x Dreadknight<br />
<br />
<br />
My questions to you are:<br />
<br />
1) Is Draigowing dead? Or does it still have some miles to go? If so, how do you play it, how do you make it work?<br />
2) How's the above list when it comes to good D.Wings?<br />
3) Anything else I need to know to start...or to NOT start this army?<br />
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<br />
Thanks!</div>


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			<dc:creator>SteelTitan</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[Taking down "opverpowered" units]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 15:05:51 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Almost every army has a unit or two that, by themselves, can change the entire outcome of a battle. Opponents can be frustrated each time they face off against an army fielding one or more of these units. Most people complain about such "overpowered" units, which is understandable when your army...]]></description>
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<div>Almost every army has a unit or two that, by themselves, can change the entire outcome of a battle. Opponents can be frustrated each time they face off against an army fielding one or more of these units. Most people complain about such &quot;overpowered&quot; units, which is understandable when your army gets their face smashed each time you encounter them.<br />
<br />
But, lets take a more &quot;solution&quot; oriented approach. Does anyone have strategies that work a high percentage of the time against ANY &quot;overpowered&quot; unit? <br />
<br />
Some units I have seen players complain about would be:<br />
Heldrake <br />
Eldrad with wraithguard<br />
Dreadknight (and maybe a bunch of other grey knight stuff)<br />
Dark angels terminators being in your face on turn 1<br />
<br />
And the list goes on. <br />
<br />
Does anyone have experience consistently taking down uber-units?</div>


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			<dc:creator>csm</dc:creator>
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			<title>CSM dark apostle tactics</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 13:23:18 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello everyone I've recently started a word bearer and I'm wondering should i use a dark apostle and if I do could anyone tell me some tactics]]></description>
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<div>Hello everyone I've recently started a word bearer and I'm wondering should i use a dark apostle and if I do could anyone tell me some tactics</div>


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			<dc:creator>flying land raider</dc:creator>
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			<title>Dealing with three riptides as codex marines</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 03:42:23 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hello everyone, I am having trouble dealing with three Ion riptides with intercept at 1850 points. 
 
I just cant seem to get the weight of fire that will kill them quick enough. 
 
I have a bunch of options, but the problem is trying to build an all comers, the best I have been able to do is have...</description>
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<div>Hello everyone, I am having trouble dealing with three Ion riptides with intercept at 1850 points.<br />
<br />
I just cant seem to get the weight of fire that will kill them quick enough.<br />
<br />
I have a bunch of options, but the problem is trying to build an all comers, the best I have been able to do is have it focused around vulkan.</div>


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			<dc:creator>lethlis</dc:creator>
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			<title>Are Sniper Drone Teams the best Marker Light Support?</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 02:41:05 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hello all,  
 
As a Tau player, I am always taking a look at optional ways to make my marker light support as efficient as possible.  So I decided to break down each of the common units I have seen who are built to produce marker light support, and I came to a surprising conclusion.   
 
For those...</description>
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<div>Hello all, <br />
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As a Tau player, I am always taking a look at optional ways to make my marker light support as efficient as possible.  So I decided to break down each of the common units I have seen who are built to produce marker light support, and I came to a surprising conclusion.  <br />
<br />
For those who don't bother reading math hammer or theory hammer.<br />
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Lets say we compare this to our other marker light support (not factoring in Forge World.)<br />
<br />
<b>2 x Sniper Drones Teams with 3 Fire Sight Marksmen each</b><br />
Cost: 168, 2 Heavy Support Slots<br />
-This is 5 marker light hits, with a chance to divide them between two units.  <br />
-5 to 10 Sniper Rifle hits<br />
-4+ saves, and Stealth<br />
<br />
<b>15 Path Finders, in two units.</b><br />
Cost: 165 and 2 Fast Attack Slots<br />
-7.5 marker light hits, divided between 2 units.<br />
-Scouts<br />
-5+ saves, so they die to funny looks.<br />
<br />
<b>12 x Marker Light Drone Squadrons</b><br />
Cost: 168, 2 Fast Attack Slots<br />
-4 marker light hits, able to divide it between 2 separate units.<br />
-Jet Packs, and ignore the heavy weapon issues<br />
-4+ saves, Toughness 4<br />
<br />
6 Marker Light Drones with a Commander<br />
Cost: 166+, 1 Fast Attack Slot, 1 HQ slot<br />
-5 marker light hits<br />
-jet packs, and ignore the heavy weapon issues<br />
-4+ Saves, Toughness 4</div>


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			<dc:creator>Citadel97501</dc:creator>
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			<title>Plague marine tactics</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 22:04:15 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello everyone I've recently acquired 7 plague from a friend who went overboard and didn't know his army. He plays emperors children and he bought plague marines. Don't worry he is new to the hobby. Well back on track he gave me the miniatures and I'm wondering what is the best way to use the...]]></description>
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<div>Hello everyone I've recently acquired 7 plague from a friend who went overboard and didn't know his army. He plays emperors children and he bought plague marines. Don't worry he is new to the hobby. Well back on track he gave me the miniatures and I'm wondering what is the best way to use the marines, should I put them in a rhino or make them plod across the battlefield.<br />
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If anyone can help me it would be much appreciated <br />
<br />
Thanks</div>


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			<dc:creator>flying land raider</dc:creator>
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			<title>Need help starting new army</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 18:26:30 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I'm thinking about getting back into Warhammer though I never really "started" playing an army of mine. I've narrowed it down to three choices: space marines,chaos space marines, or Necrons. I am more leaning toward chaos and then Necrons followed by sm. 
 
Originally I wanted to make a berzerker...]]></description>
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<div><font color="#CCCCCC"><span style="font-family: verdana">I'm thinking about getting back into Warhammer though I never really &quot;started&quot; playing an army of mine. I've narrowed it down to three choices: space marines,</span></font><span style="font-family: verdana">chaos space marines</span><font color="#CCCCCC"><span style="font-family: verdana">, or Necrons. I am more leaning toward chaos and then Necrons followed by sm.</span></font><br />
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<font color="#CCCCCC"><span style="font-family: verdana">Originally I wanted to make a berzerker army but felt that only being good at one thing maybe not </span></font><span style="font-family: verdana">the best</span><font color="#CCCCCC"><span style="font-family: verdana"> option. I guess you can say I'm a little perfectionist where I try to get </span></font><font color="#CCCCCC"><span style="font-family: verdana">the best</span></font><font color="#CCCCCC"><span style="font-family: verdana"> I possibly can have. I'm not an extremely competitive person or a sore loser but I do like knowing I have </span></font><font color="#CCCCCC"><span style="font-family: verdana">the best</span></font><font color="#CCCCCC"><span style="font-family: verdana"> for what I need.</span></font><br />
<br />
<font color="#CCCCCC"><span style="font-family: verdana">So I was wondering what you guys thought about having plague marines or other chaos forces in combo with Berzerkers, yes I realize this can't be a world eaters army. I'll justify it by making my own warbands and saying they don't really worship chaos much at all, rather see it as a tool to be used. So they don't worship any one specific God, just use whatever is most useful to their needs.</span></font><br />
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<font color="#CCCCCC"><span style="font-family: verdana">But what are your thoughts? I might make chaos my dedicated cc army if I later </span></font><span style="font-family: verdana">plan</span><font color="#CCCCCC"><span style="font-family: verdana"> on getting sm or Necrons. But would it help or hinder me to maybe take away Berzerkers and add other units for more balance rather than sheer melee force. I know this is a very open question and there is no best army but I'm very new to this and don't even have the up to date codecies.</span></font><br />
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<font color="#CCCCCC"><span style="font-family: verdana">Thank you very much!</span></font></div>


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			<dc:creator>Androxine Vortex</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[Bray'arth Ashmantle]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 20:23:42 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Can he take a Lucius Drop Pod?  I've seen people say he can due to the wording of the rules for the Lucius Pod. 
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA2update28AUG.pdf 
Help me out here?]]></description>
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<div>Can he take a Lucius Drop Pod?  I've seen people say he can due to the wording of the rules for the Lucius Pod.<br />
<a href="http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA2update28AUG.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Download...pdate28AUG.pdf</a><br />
Help me out here?</div>


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			<dc:creator>UberlordGendo</dc:creator>
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			<title>Are regular CSM that bad??</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 17:46:16 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[After playing DoW2 I really like the black legion fluff and look (or word bearers tbh they rock aswell) but it looks like without cults you can't compete. Are regular CSM that bad?? They are pretty cheap, have a few options but it starts to add up when you add marks, banners and spec weapons. 
...]]></description>
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<div>After playing DoW2 I really like the black legion fluff and look (or word bearers tbh they rock aswell) but it looks like without cults you can't compete. Are regular CSM that bad?? They are pretty cheap, have a few options but it starts to add up when you add marks, banners and spec weapons.<br />
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What is your take on regular csm??</div>


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			<dc:creator>Plague Lord</dc:creator>
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			<title>Twin Riptides: Broken, Balanced, or paper tiger?</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 17:45:46 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I was looking at starting tau, but I live the riptide models. So I was thinking about getting two and having them be towers in my army. My question is are the Riptides good, bad or ridiculously  broken? 
 
I would like to hear everyone opinions on them and the best load out, and are they worth...</description>
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<div>I was looking at starting tau, but I live the riptide models. So I was thinking about getting two and having them be towers in my army. My question is are the Riptides good, bad or ridiculously  broken?<br />
<br />
I would like to hear everyone opinions on them and the best load out, and are they worth running 2 in the army? <br />
Also I know there's another thread about Riptides but that seems to just be counters. (And people saying they'd just walk away)<br />
<br />
i want to know if the riptide is a viable choice or if it gets overshadowed by some other elite choice. And how or if people would run 2 (assuming the $$$ isn't an issue.)</div>


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			<dc:creator>Dante blackfur</dc:creator>
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			<title>Dual Riptides - How do u rate them?</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 09:51:27 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[And no im not looking for u TAU players out there...i want to hear from others? If u were facing two Riptides across the field...how'd u go by it?  
 
Essentially is it going to just lead u to punch the other guy?? 
 
 
Oh oh and yesh with Ion Accelerators, Early Warning Overrides and lets say...]]></description>
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<div>And no im not looking for u TAU players out there...i want to hear from others? If u were facing two Riptides across the field...how'd u go by it? <br />
<br />
Essentially is it going to just lead u to punch the other guy??<br />
<br />
<br />
Oh oh and yesh with Ion Accelerators, Early Warning Overrides and lets say standard twin-linked SMS with the drones :)</div>


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			<dc:creator>Mannfred</dc:creator>
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			<title>Blood angles with stormtalon? count as/ alternative list? HALP</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 23:25:12 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi Warseer so I'm trying to put together a blood angles or just assault marine based list I would like to include 2 storm talons and all assault squads(no tac or tanks ), is there any list I could make this work could I proxy storm talons for Baal predators or something of the like?  
thanks in...]]></description>
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<div><font color="#F0F0F0">Hi Warseer so I'm trying to put together a blood angles or just assault marine based list I would like to include 2 storm talons and all assault squads(no tac or tanks ), is there any list I could make this work could I proxy storm talons for Baal predators or something of the like? </font><br />
<font color="#F0F0F0">thanks in advance!</font></div>


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			<dc:creator>illbread</dc:creator>
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			<title>Starting Dark Eldar - how to assemble</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 16:43:47 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I've just started painting my first models (two venoms with dual splinter cannons, three reaver jetbikes with blaster and cultrops). For the record, I play only friendlies. The competition is Nidz with lotsa monsters, Wolves with lotsa power armour and Eldar with lotsa... Eldar.  
 
Now I'll start...]]></description>
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<div>I've just started painting my first models (two venoms with dual splinter cannons, three reaver jetbikes with blaster and cultrops). For the record, I play only friendlies. The competition is Nidz with lotsa monsters, Wolves with lotsa power armour and Eldar with lotsa... Eldar. <br />
<br />
Now I'll start assembling two units of five kabalite warriors. One blaster in each, final? Guess it's not worth considering a sybarite? <br />
<br />
In bigger units though, a leadership bonus could be worth the points I figure. Then how do you equip them. I thought the venom blade seemed nice and cheap. Maybe good for scaring off monstererous creatures. Are there better options? <br />
<br />
I also bought a box of scourges. As they have pretty nice standard weapons, maybe there's a better way of equipping them than the usual blasters? <br />
<br />
Haven't bought any wyches yet. They seem to have a hard time in 6th. Cool options though! Are any of them worth having?</div>


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			<dc:creator>TheBearminator</dc:creator>
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			<title>Leman Russ Battle Tank?</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 21:34:06 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hi,  
I recently got the idea to start a small guard army (no new DKOK :p ).  
I still have a basic Leman Russ Battle Tank lying around here. How should I best field it?  
Wich secondary weapon? And Sponsor weapons? If any, wich ones??</description>
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<div>Hi, <br />
I recently got the idea to start a small guard army (no new DKOK :p ). <br />
I still have a basic Leman Russ Battle Tank lying around here. How should I best field it? <br />
Wich secondary weapon? And Sponsor weapons? If any, wich ones??</div>


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			<dc:creator>Glenn87</dc:creator>
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			<title>Taking down Daemons with Marines in 6th?</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 15:32:18 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi all, 
 
I've got my first game in a looong time on Sunday against a Daemon player.  I'll be using my Ultramarines, as they're the ones I'm painting at the moment... :-) 
 
He's allowing me to use my BA units as fillers, so I have access to loads of armours units from there - more Tac, assault...]]></description>
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<div>Hi all,<br />
<br />
I've got my first game in a looong time on Sunday against a Daemon player.  I'll be using my Ultramarines, as they're the ones I'm painting at the moment... :-)<br />
<br />
He's allowing me to use my BA units as fillers, so I have access to loads of armours units from there - more Tac, assault and Dev squads than I can shake a stick at, plus vindicators, predators and land raiders!<br />
<br />
Given that I've not played much 6th at all, what would you recommend for a daemon take down list?  I've got 2000 to play with, so plenty of room for toys ;-)<br />
<br />
Cheers for the assistance in advance!<br />
<br />
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			<dc:creator>Art Is Resistance</dc:creator>
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