5th ed CSM notes

[IAMNOTHERE]

From an opponents point of view, giving me one must stop unit makes life easy. I'll stick everything into it until it stops twitching.

You need to give me multiple threats that will arrive at the same time to screw me over. That's why pods can work.

How are you getting the blood slaughterer to me? If I see stuff like that I either avoid (tau) or tarpit (blobs).

[Excessus]

Dread are still bad from a strategic point of view. Just the other day I played with dreads for fun, and got into a situation where one FFed twice in a row. Too bad that I wanted to assault the unit that was in front of him...but suddenly couldn't because they would have been shot to pieces! I still won, but the random behavior limited my movement and I want my own models to expand my strategies, not limit them...

[Nurgling Chieftain]

I don't see why the Dreadnough is still so maligned.

It's not the "shooting your own" guys aspect, it's the "doesn't do what you need it to do" aspect. It almost always seems to shoot when you really need it to charge, and charge when you really need it to shoot.

[Brotheroracle]

It's not the "shooting your own" guys aspect, it's the "doesn't do what you need it to do" aspect. It almost always seems to shoot when you really need it to charge, and charge when you really need it to shoot.

This is the truth.

[samiens]

For me its having to manage it so whatever it does will have an ok outcome- its possibly the hardest unit to place in 40k as it has to take up such a position that whether it charges or fire frenzies (or does what you want!) it will have a positive game impact

[Getz]

Last time I used one it marched onto the table out of reserve and immediately fire-frenzied, then Blood raged for the next three turns. Fortunately it was a double DCCW dread, so that wasn't the end of the world but it still ended up assaulting the wrong unit thanks the the stipulation that you must move towards and charge the nearest enemy unit...

[Plague Lord]

I play deathguard and use only sacred number squads even with termies and it works just fine if you can manouvre your units and concentrate fire so that you can take the enemy's army apart in bits then the larger PM squads work wonders. I also play 2 lascannon dreads as my only long range anti tank and they work hmmm fine I guess. They take a lot of hurt but it keeps the enemy from popping my rhinos. But thats just me, I never liked preds or oblits and fluff is imoortant to me. Dreads were pretty nice when the rage gave them double attacks...

[Excessus]

My favorite time was two turns of fire frenzy with bolters into a nearby rhino, then bloodrage into a winged dp who proceeded to wreck it...three turns and I never got to control it...yaaay

[Glenn87]

a Quick question. I've always liked the looks of an Iron Warriors army. Problem is that all of their 'stuff' seems to be in the Heavy Slots.
Anyone has any tips as to what I could field? (I know Vindicators and Obliterators are fluff-wise, but what else would fit their theme/fluff)?

thx!!

[IAMNOTHERE]

Ally in some traitor guard with a battery of basilisks? Back to the old skoolz.

[Glenn87]

Ally in some traitor guard with a battery of basilisks? Back to the old skoolz.

aren't allies rumoured to start at 2K??
I don't have ANYTHING but a Terminator Lord and a 10-man CSM squad. I want to start small at 1-1.5K

[IAMNOTHERE]

Rumours are rumours; you could do a lot worse than rhinos for your troops, defilers for some heavy support.

I play Emperors Children so will probably be shouted down for not playing a netlist.

[Excessus]

aren't allies rumoured to start at 2K??
I don't have ANYTHING but a Terminator Lord and a 10-man CSM squad. I want to start small at 1-1.5K

You are confusing it with the second FOC chart that you unlock over 2k points. Allies are always in, seems to be a part of the core ruleset now(finally I have my traitor guard allies, Alpha Legion wohoo!)...

[Excessus]

aren't allies rumoured to start at 2K??
I don't have ANYTHING but a Terminator Lord and a 10-man CSM squad. I want to start small at 1-1.5K

You are confusing it with the second FOC chart that you unlock over 2k points. Allies are always in, seems to be a part of the core ruleset now(finally I have my traitor guard allies, Alpha Legion wohoo!)...

[IAMNOTHERE]

Already planning my greater daemon, daemonettes and a squad of fiends making an appearance

[Glenn87]

hehe, I think that for Iron Warriors, it would be Traitor Guards with extra tanks.
What about this for 1K points:

90 Chaos Lord

195 10 Chaos Marines: Meltagun, Lascannon
185 10 Chaos Marines: 2 Meltaguns
50 Rhino: Havoc Launcher

225 3 Obliterators
125 Vindicator
125 Vindicator
+------
995

[IAMNOTHERE]

Go for it although I'd probably drop the las cannon and try for a second rhino to protect the troops.

[Glenn87]

Go for it although I'd probably drop the las cannon and try for a second rhino to protect the troops.

why drop the lascannon? aren't Iron Warriors supposed to hide in a bastion, shooting at everything?

[IAMNOTHERE]

That whole squads fire power is wasted because one las cannon needs to fire at a target the rest can't hurt.

[Clarkson]

Rumours are rumours; you could do a lot worse than rhinos for your troops, defilers for some heavy support.

I play Emperors Children so will probably be shouted down for not playing a netlist.

I SHOUT THEE DOWN...

in all seriousness i'm glad that we can take daemons that dont suck again... but it does lead to breaking things.. epi+plagues...