Tactica: Deathwing 5th Edition

[Lion El Jason]

I'm still using something like this:

Belial TLC
Librarian

Deathwing Squad
4x TLC
1x CF
CML
Banner
Medic

Deathwing Squad
4x TLC
1x AC, CF

Deathwing Squad
4x TLC
1x HF, CF

Land Raider Crusader
Land Raider Prometheus
Land Raider

To make 2k add Dreadnought (Multimelta) and drop pod or squeeze in a 4th squad by dropping wargear, etc...

[[Black] Katalyst]

I'm still using something like this:

Belial TLC
Librarian

Deathwing Squad
4x TLC
1x CF
CML
Banner
Medic

Deathwing Squad
4x TLC
1x AC, CF

Deathwing Squad
4x TLC
1x HF, CF

Land Raider Crusader
Land Raider Prometheus
Land Raider

To make 2k add Dreadnought (Multimelta) and drop pod or squeeze in a 4th squad by dropping wargear, etc...

Do you run into any problems with AT? I was thinking about running a LR, LRC, and the one from FW with 4x TL Heavy Bolters but I'm afraid of not having enough anti tank abilities. 4x TLHBs are juicey but the TLLCs are tried and tested for what they do. Even with most hoarde armies there's usually something with them that needs to be obliterated ie: TMCs, Ork Trucks, Wraithlords..... and the list continues.

[Lion El Jason]

I've never had any AT problems. Chain Fists soon sort them out
Drop podding a MM/DCCW dread is also a good AT solution.

I have a feeling that the regular LR would be better than the prometheus since Deathwing have never had issues with anti infantry, but I just really like the thing!

[[Black] Katalyst]

*drooling*

I just finished ordering 4x sets of Deathwing shoulder pads and 3x sets of Dark Angel doors from FW!!!

I had a last minute change of heart on the Landraider. 4x TLHB are nice but I feel the new cover save system really hinders it's effectiveness. I play in a large group with a lot of good players. I realized I wouldn't have many chances to hit my targets out in the open.

[Lion El Jason]

These days I only carry one regular LR around with me. My set up is alwas one regular and either 2 Crusaders or crusader/ Prometheus.

Don't be put off too much by the cover thing, it seems not to have blunted its effect too much and its still better than the TLLCs against MEQs

[NovaScotius]

Hi Guys,

After presenting my first list here, I've done a bit of research and considered some other options. I'm now left with a choice of two lists - Neither one is pure (Don't kill me!), but they're heavily DW themed.

As a recently returned player, I'm yet to play 5th Edition, and I'm unsure which one will provide be the more entertaining to field. Eventually I plan to have enough models to allow tactical flexibility, but for the moment, I'm only going to be able to assemble one list.

And here they are...

List 1:
> Belial, Master of the Deathwing - 130pts
> 4 x Deathwing Terminator Squad, each with an Assault Cannon - 980pts
> 3 x Auto/Las Predator - 390pts
Total = 1500pts

List 2:
> Belial, Master of the Deathwing - 130pts
> 1 x Deathwing Terminator Squad, Apothecary, Assault Cannon - 275pts
> 1 x Deathwing Terminator Squad, Assault Cannon - 245pts
> 2 x Deathwing Terminator Squad, Cyclone Missile Launcher - 470pts
> 3 x Vindicator Siege Tank - 375pts
Total = 1495pts

(NB: All Terminators in both lists are of the Tactical variety!)

Due to the points saved by buying Cyclones instead of Assault Cannons for two of the squads and the cheaper cost of Vindicators, I was able to put an Apothecary into the 'Command' DW Squad. As there are 5 points remaining, I could substitute one of the Vindicators for an Auto/Las Predator.

So then, what do you think to the two lists?

Thanks

NovaScotius

[KaldCB]

I have run your "siege" list, a couple of times, and it's great, i would change one vindicator to whirlwind, then you can take out units in cover, and you get assault cannons and the banner upgrades.

[cowie165]

Apothecary FTW. Great choice to add him.

[bobafett012]

Apothecary FTW. Great choice to add him.

exactly, 30 pts for a model that can save you 46-76 pts(i believe, dex not in front of me atm) each turn of the game!! although for the record i would still like to get new marine apoth's with FnP instead, lol.

[Hellfury]

List 1:
> Belial, Master of the Deathwing - 130pts
> 4 x Deathwing Terminator Squad, each with an Assault Cannon - 980pts
> 3 x Auto/Las Predator - 390pts
Total = 1500pts

List 2:
> Belial, Master of the Deathwing - 130pts
> 1 x Deathwing Terminator Squad, Apothecary, Assault Cannon - 275pts
> 1 x Deathwing Terminator Squad, Assault Cannon - 245pts
> 2 x Deathwing Terminator Squad, Cyclone Missile Launcher - 470pts
> 3 x Vindicator Siege Tank - 375pts
Total = 1495pts

Personally, I would take a mix of both lists.

Apothecaries are of inestimable value. He is a default choice.
Vindicators are gold. I took three to ardboys against three chaos lists. by the beginning of their first turn, no more lash stupidity. Great at 2500 points, a force to be reckoned with in 1500.

I would drop 1 assault cannon from the first list and replace with a heavy flamer, replace the preds with vindies, and add the apoth and 2 chainfists to whichever squad you choose.

If you kit belial out to be CC oriented, then I would put the HF with him. Also I would put the apoth in a squad that isn't attached to a CC oriented belial.

If beleial is more shooty, then the apoth goes with him and some other squad can get stuck with the heavy flamer.

The heavy flamer may seem stupid, but it really does do a good job when used right. I recommend proxying a HF terminator for a few games to get the feel in how to use it before you go ahead and assemble the model, as that armament isn't for everyone's playstyle.

[Lion El Jason]

Heavy Flamers are really only useful if you're going in a transport. Any other option and I think you're better off with a different weapon (Even a storm bolter).
There is something to be said for using HF with a teleporting squad using a homer... but thats beyond the "Pure" Deathwing lists.

[Grazzy]

I put this list up on the last page but everyone missed it. I know it is not quite pure but the preds are so cheap and kick out way more firepower than termies point for point.


1500 points
Belial SB/SoS
Dread + TLLC + ML
5 termies + AC
5 termies + AC
5 termies + AC + apothecary + CF
LR
Pred (autocannon, 2 HB, pintle SB)
Pred (autocannon, 2 HB, pintle SB)

[NovaScotius]

I like the list Grazzy, the only thing that worries me is the amount of anti-tank you have. You might struggle with someone that fields more than one Land Raider/Monolith.

Otherwise, looks good

[Lion El Jason]

AT should be ok, between the TLLCs on the LR and a squad with 4 powerfists in the LR I recon he could deal with 2 land raiders. 2 monoliths and you're going after phase out anyway because Deathwing can never really kill both.

[landingshortly]

I guess I've also fallen for the Dark Angels. Things were leading to each other and I ended up with about 50 terminators, so right now I am actually painting them. Anyway, I was thinking about a straight forward Deathwing list and this is what maybe everybody has come up with at some point, but hey, we evolve, don't we?

HQ
Belial - Storm Bolter, Sword of Silence

TROOPS
4 Squads of Terminators
- 1 Sergeant with Power Sword and Storm Bolter
- 1 Terminator with Power Fist and Assault Cannon
- 3 Terminators with Power Fist and Storm Bolters

SUPPORT
1 Dreadnought with Assault Cannon, Close Combat Weapon and Storm Bolter
1 Landraider with Extra Armor
1 Landraider
[1500 points flat]

I know the list looks very generic and I certainly do plan on adding some depth to it, but where do I start from here? Thanks!

[cowie165]

I know the list looks very generic and I certainly do plan on adding some depth to it, but where do I start from here? Thanks!

Welcome, DA always needs more brothers to fight for the chapter and show how effective leadership will win battles, irrespective of codex.

Respectfully, I encourage you to jump back as many pages as you have time for and read through previous posts. There is LOTS of quality information, with the reasons behind choices, strategy, weapon and squad choices, and more.

[cowie165]

The heavy flamer may seem stupid, but it really does do a good job when used right. I recommend proxying a HF terminator for a few games to get the feel in how to use it before you go ahead and assemble the model, as that armament isn't for everyone's playstyle.

I'm normally chief naysayer of the anti-flamer party, but last weekend I won a game with a 10pt HF. It was DA vs. tyranids, and the HF was on a speeder (I sometime take MM/HF speeders and run them 12" each turn - either shoot at a tank or kentucky fried chicken a bunch of hormagaunts, it just depends on what is in range). Anyway, short story is: the flamer torched 8 hormagaunts all lined up single file trying to claim two objective simultaneously. Result - no cover save, 1 gaunt left just outside the template.

DA win 2 objectives to 1, instead of lose 2:3. Yeehah.

[Maynard]

To Brother Cowie165:

Message Starts:

Congratulations on your most awesome victory over the Tyranid Menace.

Message continues.

A Report on the Validity of Heavy Flamers for use in a Deathwing Army.

Brothers,

Recently I have been running this in my list:

Deathwing Squad 3, 3 lightning claws, 1 PF SB, 1 HF PF

And

Venerable Drop Podding Dread with HF and Plasma Cannon

in both cases the heavy flamers have done extremely well, often scaring people from moving too close, the drop pod one is just to scare the living crap out of any opponent who isn't space marines! And it works, the heavy flamers are much more reliable at extinguishing the life out of the foul xenos than the assault cannon can at such close range, auto hits, ignores cover AP4.... 5 points.

Yours in Hope,
Maynard, Grand Master of the Eradicators

Thought for the day: Hope is nothing without despair.
Message Ends.

[cowie165]

AT should be ok, between the TLLCs on the LR and a squad with 4 powerfists in the LR I recon he could deal with 2 land raiders. 2 monoliths and you're going after phase out anyway because Deathwing can never really kill both.

There's a hellfire dread in the list too (just in case it was overlooked)

[Russell's teapot]

HQ
Belial - Storm Bolter, Sword of Silence

TROOPS
4 Squads of Terminators
- 1 Sergeant with Power Sword and Storm Bolter
- 1 Terminator with Power Fist and Assault Cannon
- 3 Terminators with Power Fist and Storm Bolters

SUPPORT
1 Dreadnought with Assault Cannon, Close Combat Weapon and Storm Bolter
1 Landraider with Extra Armor
1 Landraider
[1500 points flat]

I know the list looks very generic and I certainly do plan on adding some depth to it, but where do I start from here? Thanks!

Hey landingshortly. As as been mentioned, it's worth going through the thread to get a consensus on how the DW works & what'll work for you.

As an aside, I don't make your army 1500pts. On my rough math of 250pt increments:
4 x DW squads = 1000pts
2 x LR = 500pts
Belail & Dread = 250pts

You look 1 DW squad over the points to me...

EDIT: an army of terminators is never generic. Our armies tend to look similar because we only have a few units to work with. It looks good though.

Good luck