Tactica: Deathwing 5th Edition

[KaldCB]

Blood angels can actually do 5 raiders at 1750.

I have 5 godhammers sitting on my desk awaiting paint, and i'm tempted to try it out. 10 mobile twin lascannons should do quite well. just keep them at range.

[Captain Collius]

At 1750, where you can feasibly do the tri raider list without it sucking balls, it is reasonable, but in terms of competitiveness, you'll be in the lower second third (i.e. at a 40 person tournament, you should be outside the top 15). At 1850, where you can get a chaplain and therefore have 3 horribad squads coming out of the raiders, it's ok, but the same applies.

At 2k, it sucks.

For fun games, LGS tournaments (20 people, most likely with a couple of newbies), the tri raider list is a blast. Against anyone who has built a proper, take all comers army list and is intending for tournament play, you really start to see the flaws in having 3 500 point bricks.

I have seen Blood Angel lists do quite well, as they can do 4 raiders at 1850, and just scale up from there. But they get dedicated transport raiders. We don't.

agreed the raiders are great fun in Friendly games.

But they can't put out a lot of fire power.

it is simply better to put out 3 predators and 3 speeders and then maximize your squads.

EDIT:

[Captain Collius]

Just a question here to our member of the Circle how best can we counter mech orks with 2 kff bubbles protecting two battlewagons?

[ErictheGreen]

same way you'd do it if the KFF wasn't there - use the speeders to get side shots. deploy your las preds on the flanks to get flank shots.

Battlewagon holds 15 Orks, unless Gazzy is in there (and with 2 KFF he won't be). A charge from 15 Orks should result in 1-2 dead termis tops. You can the counter charge with impunity.

[grave digger]

Just as a correction:

Battlewagons hold 20 figs, on average that would be 18 Orks, 1 Nob and the Big Mek with Kustom Force Field. Typical. The Orks will generally shoot before they charge (20 pistols or 36 shootas/2 pistols) and then hit you like a ton of bricks. 72 Str. 4 Attacks+4 Str 5 Attacks+4 In 1 Str 9 Power Klaw attacks all hitting on 4's. A battle wagon full of Orks is not a nice surprise. If the chance arises, charge the Orks so that they are only Str. 3, helps a ton.

Diggs

[TheDoctor]

Alright my fellow warseerites, I face a conundrum. I will be going to a local tournament in New Orleans, but its 1500 points. I very rarely play at that points level, so I don't know if deathwing is effective, or what I'll be facing. However, I have thought of 2 different lists, comments and criticism welcome.

HQ
Belial 130 pts
-TH/SS

Troops

Alpha 265 pts
-x5 TH/SS, CML, Apothecary

Bravo 240 pts

Charlie 240 pts

Delta 240 pts
-all these squads are shooty loadout with 1 TH/SS and a chainfist

Fast Attack

RAS 195 pts
-x2 Meltaguns, Meltabombs, Multi-melta attack bike

RAS 190 pts
-x2 Meltaguns, Multi-melta attack bike

Total: 1500

HQ
Belial 130 pts
-TH/SS

Troops

Alpha 265 pts
-x5 TH/SS, Apothecary, CML

Bravo 235 pts
-x5 TH/SS, CML

Charlie 240 pts

Delta 240 pts

Echo 240 pts
-These three have shooty loadouts

Fast Attack
Typhoon with melta 75 pts

Typhoon with melta 75 pts

Total:1500

[aekold666]

I would go with the second list. That many terminators in 1500 is very hard to remove.

[Droma]

If you have preds or a 3rd speeder I'd go the 2nd list and drop squad echo and add more support. If you don't own the models then drop echo and 2 chainfists and add 2 dreads. I really think 4 squads plus support is better than 5 squads at 1500 but I don't think the 2 RAS squads are the proper way to go.

With small store meta's it may still work though it all depends on your store. I know my local gw I could get away with a list like that but if I tried it at the Chicago battle bunker I'd have my ass handed to me. It really depends on what you expect to see and what you have practice running.

[Captain Collius]

2nd what droma said

i'm currently running this list this weekend

HQ: Belial Thunderhammer Storm shield 130

Troops 1 5 Deathwing TH/SS/CML, TH/SS, PF/SB, CF/SB, TLC 240

Troops 2 5 Deathwing TH/SS/CML, TH/SS, PF/SB, CF/SB, TLC 240

Troops 3 5 Deathwing TH/SS, TH/SS/CML, PF/SB, CF/SB/AP, PW/SB/BB 295

Troops 4 5 Deathwing TH/SS, TLC, PW/SB, CF/SB/CML, PF/SB 240

Fast attack typhoon with Multimelta 75

Fast attack typhoon with Multimelta 75

Fast attack typhoon with Multimelta 75

Heavy support Predator Autocannon Lascannon sponsons 130

1500 on the nose

[Droma]

Captain Collius posted a solid list for 1500. Don't completely agree with his squad loadouts but the belial, 4 DW squads w/ cml, apoth, and banner, 3 speeder, 1 pred list is sound.

[Captain Collius]

@Droma: how would you run the squads?

[aekold666]

My gues would be not putting the CML on a SS terminator and exchanging the TLC for a SB/PF terminator.

[Russell's teapot]

I've changed my mind. Stormshield them all up if you're walking.

Leave shooting to the IG. And our support elements.

[ErictheGreen]

I thought you were playing like you got a pair, what happened?

[Captain Collius]

yeah i wanna do this but i am limited by models at this point but i'm gonna proxy it and try it soon

[KaldCB]

I've changed my mind. Stormshield them all up if you're walking.

Leave shooting to the IG. And our support elements.

What made you change your mind?

[grave digger]

I've changed my mind. Stormshield them all up if you're walking.

Leave shooting to the IG. And our support elements.

What! Am I the last to stay pure?

What a world, what a world...

Diggs

[TheDoctor]

I've changed my mind. Stormshield them all up if you're walking.

Leave shooting to the IG. And our support elements.

WHAT?!?! Say it ain't so!

[Zeroth]

What's with the crazy responses guys? If you want to win you can't let fluff cloud your judgement when building lists. He's right, it's a superior choice

[aekold666]

I still think that 3 stormbolters in a squad is a good thing. last night I played against a 3 tervigon list and I was more than happy that I had 3 squads with 3 stormbolters and a 4th squad with all stormbolters. They reaped a very bloody tally of gaunts and removed screens so that other squads could charge the nasties behind them. With only TH/SS I would not have won the game.