If I were to do this I'd have either MM on the dreads, or a TLLC. Both bust armour, lascannons don't miss with the reroll, but are pricey, the MM practically guarentee a destruction if you hit. I think I'd go for the MM, as you only have 2 slow melta weapons in the army (CFs) so you are land raider fodder. And I expect you'll see land raiders in the club environment I think you'll be using this in.
You're pretty stupid, but it's fun, so who cares?
Don't confuse toy soldiers and real life.
I really wouldn't deep strike everything, if that's what you're planning to do?
I'd pod one mm/hf dread, and start the other (with las/ml) on the table. DWA one squad (with apoth preferably). Try not to suicide the deep strikers, but use them to make your opponent think about their deployment, and give you a bit of movement first turn
Hey all! So Wargamescon is coming up at the end of June, and one of the events there is a team tournament. My friend and I are already hashing out ideas, and we are probably going to go with footdar and deathwing. 1000 points per player. Forgeworld/Imperial Armor is allowed in the Team tourney, not in the main event (which I will be bringing Eldar to)
My list:
Belial, TH/SS
3 squads of deathwing, all TH/SS and Cyclones.
Fairly unoriginal, I know, but this leaves me with 165 pts, and I'm at a loss as what to do with it.
My original plan was to take an apothecary and a regular dreadnought, however, comp is weighted more heavily (like 50%).
My new plan is to just take a venerable dreadnought, as I do not think that Mortis Dreadnoughts are part of the deathwing. Also, since my friend will be taking footdar and wraithlords, I thought it might be nice to have another big, durable target on the field. I would probably equip the ven dread with an assault cannon and missile launcher.
Tell me, is this a bad plan, or should I go with the mortis dreadnought?
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Originally Posted by Cthell
Mortis. Always mortis.
Most dreadnoughts should have knowledge of the fallen as they are veteran warriors of the. Chapter. Mortis dreads are also dark angels fluffy. Do eet!
@ RT thank you for confirming my suspiscions. I might change the PC to a mm
ohh i forgot to mention these are the armies i will see
Necrons immortals vargard etc.
Blood angels
Grey Knights-Draigowing
CSM-Thousand sons
and one other meq
@doctor enjoy the Mortis joy
Thanks! What should I equip it with?
Im leaning towards either dual missiles or dual lascannons. I'm really not too impressed with dual autocannons.
The dual missiles would also allow me to take both the company banner and the apothecary upgrade.
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I think 4x twinlinked S7 is always going to be better than 2xS8? Especially when you have all of those CMLs wandering around.
I'd imagine double las is expensive?
Had a rough day at yesterday's tournament with the Ezekiel list went 1-1-1. Was playing book scenarios with special bonus objectives and got over aggressive at trying to get the bonus objectives in my second game instead of focusing on winning the primary (kill points) should have been as easy victory over purifier spam but mistakes on my part lost it for me. My total tournament record with Zeke and the vindicators is now 8W 2L 1D.
No, tournaments really for me until July so will mostly be practicing and refining my tactics.
This. The math is long and lengthy. But there is a reason the standard dread config for c:sm is dual autocannon. It shreds light transports, allowing your cyclones more freedom with target choices.
if they were in the codex, they'd be my choice over the autolas predators every time.
Recently I had the Battle of the Clubs in the Netherlands and took the following;
Belial Th/SS
5 terminators, all TH/SS, banner, apoth, CML
5 terminators, PW/SB, CF/SB, PF/SB/CML, 2 TH/SS
5 terminators, PW/SB, CF/SB, PF/SB/CML, 2 TH/SS
5 terminators, PW/SB, CF/SB, PF/SB/CML, 2 TH/SS
5 terminators, PW/SB, 3 PF/SB, PF/SB/CML
Speeder MM/TML
Speeder MM/TML
Speeder MM/TML
Predator autocannon/dozerblade
Predator autocannon/dozerblade
1750 in total.
First game I played against an ork army with 2 large mobs in battle wagon, 2 small mobs in trucks, 7 nobs in trucks, some lootas and outflanking kommandos. I won 9-2 on kill points due to destroying his transports, forcing him to come at me in pieces. A 20-0 win for me.
Second game was against my kryptonite: Fatecrusher. Kairos fateweaver, bloodthirster, 16 crushers divided over 3 units, 3 units of 5 plaguebearers for objective grabbing. Having played this guy before I know it would be really though. Al his power weapons ignore my beautiful 2+ and I don't have enough stormshields to stop all the attacks. we played dawn of war with home objectives. Long story short, I was defending my home objective, while he made a push for it. Would the game have ended on turn 5 I would managed to hold on to my own objective, but in turn 6 he killed the last terminators. This gave him both objectives and a 20-0 loss for me.
The last game was against codex marines with 4 full tactical squads, captain, 2 rhinos, to HB razors, 3 MM/HF speeders, 2 vindicators and 1 dakka predator. deployment was spearhead and we played for 4 objectives. He deployed an iron ring at the adge of de deployment zone with behind it 20 marines and his captain on a objective. I deployed everything 31" away from the vindicators, denying him one turn of shooting. This battle everything went right. By turn 3 both vindicators where wrecked or weapon destroyed and his speeders where burning wrecks. Highlight of the match where 2 terminators first taking on a 2 full tactical squads and with 1 terminator coming out on top (only the suffer a lascannon to the face) In the end it was 2 objectives against 1 for me, giving me a solid 16-4 victory.
Combined with the results of my teammembers we came in second with 199 points, only 3,6 behind the numer 1. All in all a great day.
What suprised me most was the performance of the two predators. In the first and third battle they did something every turn. Mostly shooting at speeders and trucks, while my opponents ignored them completely. I think that due to the fact that they only have 1 gun they are a pretty low priority for opponents, but they do add cheap (and much needed) firepower.
Bloody Aekold, he's like the Messiah - we laugh at him for ages, but it turns out he's the one that's merked us!
This isn't strictly a Deathwing tactica question, more like dark angels in general question, but since picking up my DA for the first time since 2008 I haven't won a single game with them. I have gone 0-3-2 with them so far. Is the codex just that out dated? My guard and ork armies are almost always winning, making my struggles with DA surprising (at least to myself). Its not like I am a bad player I promise!
My usual army comprises of
Chaplain in terminator armour
three terminator squads with regular load out with the exception of assault cannons
two 10 men tac squads with plasma guns and missile launchers
3 bikes, two with melta guns, one with power fist
devistators, four with heavy bolters
Any ideas as to what I am doing wrong?
using the PA thats usually whats wrong
It also looks like you have a CC beatstick HQ Interrogator-chaplain in terminator armor with no one to take advantage of his rules.
My suggestions
Get a Terminator to make into Belial (scoring terminators are always worth it.)
drop the PA and Devs (they just ain't worth it.)
Replace 1 squad and the devs with AC/HB predators.
replace the other squad with A couple of Typhoon speeders.
Acquire some more TH/SS.
The sad fact is the rest of our codex just ain't worth it
In general, your Troops (or could-be Troops) entries are fine, if a little subpar. The weapons on the Tactical Squads are a little expensive, but that's not your fault. The assault cannons are a little worse than CMLs and more expensive, but they're not terrible. I'm sure both of these choices can be made to work, but you're going to have to make up for it elsewhere. And on that front:
-There isn't much point in spending a lot on non-scoring Terminators when you can take them as scoring for the same cost. Switch the Chaplain for Belial, and suddenly you have up to 7 scoring units instead of 4.
-The bikes are really expensive. I would ditch that power fist right away. In a 3-man squad where you want every single one of those models to be alive, it's still going to be the first guy to die more often than not as you'll probably still want those melta guns. So you probably won't even get to swing with it.
-Heavy bolters are a weak choice on your Devastators, especially when you already have assault cannons on your Terminators. Take missile launchers on either the Terminators or the Devastators.
That should give you a bit of a bump up, without having to change your list a whole lot. But keep in mind that you're playing with a book that, rules-wise, isn't bad. You just pay a roughly 10% tax on your units as compared to the Vanilla book and a lot of entries are less flexible. Unless you play with the best value for the points units in the book, you're going to struggle a little.
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Anyone still using Asscannons on their squads or is it all CML now?
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Assault cannons still have some uses tactically, but from a points efficiency stand point CMLs are just so much better and more flexible due to their range. Add to that the fact he can have a storm shield as well and the argument for taking assault cannons has some pretty lousy footing.
I had a sinking feeling it was something like this. I love deathwing and ravenwing, but there used to be so much more to them than just the double wing build. This is very depressing for me.
I suppose you guys are right though, I am going to have to completely change my list until we get a new codex that can actually be useful. Sad day indeed.
It's kind of a bad time to be planning a new DA list right now. What makes a good list will change in July with 6th Ed, and again (early ?) next year with a new DA codex.
I'd just go and play with your current list for the time being.
Ugh, and just when I started painting some Termies
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hey termies are always going to be useful we are just not sure how yet.
Hello everyone, I've been away from the hobby for 10+ years and bought some of the new (to me) terminators recently.
I plan on expanding this squad into a Deathwing force, but am a little apprehensive with rumors of another edition being released soon. Plan is for a 1,500 point force, all infantry, say 25-30 terminators. Would it be a bad idea to make this many at this time or better to hold off?
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