Tactica: Deathwing 5th Edition

[Khornies & milk]

Thanks for that people, I just wanted to get that last little 'niggle' out of the way. I already have them specialised for shooting except for the last Squad which I still have to buy, and now I know to get the shooty box instead of the c/c one.

cheers.

[Lion El Jason]

Yeah, in pure Deathwing specialising is best, though that does not need to mean no mixing. Remember each assault squad needs a power fist type weapon and TH&SS are not a good option. A heavy weapon and chain fist is best there. Also for the best set up for wound allocation a singel TLC terminator in a shooty squad is needed but then some consider that a bit too much.

I was curious what would make Belial better. I added up a Smurf Master to the same basic gear as Belial and due to the wonderful Smurf rules for termie armor, he would get an extra attack and would only cost 5 more points. Of course this doesn't include Belials special rules, and ability to swap weapons.

Well I guess there's not much I'd change since to make him a propper special character or give him extra stuff would increase his cost too much and him being cheap is his best point for now... Deathwing are hard enough to make lists for with fixed squad sizes as it is!
I would prefer a Str6 Power Weapon rather than a MC one (Of course) and either Master Craft the storm Bolter or give the option for a combi weapon.

Oh, and for the record. It was 1/2" per missile. Shoot all 12 and you had a 6" circle of doom

Nah, 1/2 inch Diameter so it used the old 3" radius marker for all 12 missiles. Everybody did it wrong back in the day though.

[Khornies & milk]

Yeah, in pure Deathwing specialising is best, though that does not need to mean no mixing. Remember each assault squad needs a power fist type weapon and TH&SS are not a good option. A heavy weapon and chain fist is best there. Also for the best set up for wound allocation a singel TLC terminator in a shooty squad is needed but then some consider that a bit too much

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Yea I have a HF/CF Termi in the c/c Squads, and your reasoning on why to have a TLC guy in a shooty Squad was one of the reasons why I asked my question in the first place. I'm happy to leave to shooty Squads ALL shooty as I imagine them giving/laying down fire support for the other elements in the list.

[grave digger]

Nah, 1/2 inch Diameter so it used the old 3" radius marker for all 12 missiles. Everybody did it wrong back in the day though.

Well color me blue and call me Eeyore

Diggs

[swanson4969]

For my assault termies I use my heavy as a lightning claw or th & ss with a cml on top. Also I like the thunder hammer as my power fist option that way the claws go first if he manages to live to a second round.

[randominator]

Are Land Raiders a must-have in Deathwing armies?

[grave digger]

Are Land Raiders a must-have in Deathwing armies?

Assault Deathwing? Yes. Shooty Deathwing? No. Raiders are necessary to get your Terminators into hand to hand. They add a nice punch to shooting but but you can do the same with Dreads and more Terminators.

Diggs

[Iron Father]

I have found something I love more than assaulty termies, and I have dubbed thee "Siege Wing"

I drew up a list today that included 3 vindicators instead of my normal LR(C)s. It is unbelieveable about much fear this induces in your opponents. Its like having a 24" radius of no mans land and deployed properly means you can secure a few objectives without worry of your opponent going near them.

I used it effectively in a game today and it forced my opponent to move around my army and behind impassible terrain. I literally destroyed half his army on turn 2, got a bit over confident and felt a bit sorry for him, so i loosened up my reign of terror and purposely ignored one of his GK squads and allowed him to reroll a 1 on a run roll. This allowed him to enter assault range of one of the vinidis nd he took it out and moved onto one of my objectives and kill the squad guarding it. I wasnt able to recoup that loss

I am seriously thinking about taking multiples of these in each game from now on.

[swanson4969]

Off to the Dark Angels thread then with ye... We are old crusty purists here!

[Iron Father]

Boo to you! The DW can always call in support from the chapter!

[swanson4969]

Yes but that then becomes a Dark Angel army. We here are just Termies. Dreads and Raiders....

[Odd_Motorbike_Guy]

No I agree. Shoo - Get out of here *grins*

I've wanted to try that out for a while, It looks like it would be brilliant fun !

[Ghostfire]

Ok, back on the subject of squad loadouts.

Do you all still use heavy weapons in Assault squads
NOT charging from a landraider? And
if so... what is the loadout of that squad?

I used to put an assault cannon/chainfist term in my all
TLC squads(3 squads). But if I spend anytime at all
running I'm losing that gun for that turn.

BTW...I don't use them often, just in missions were I
would get the most use out of them.

Thanks for any advice,
ghostfire

[Iron Father]

I dont give my assault squad any guns/heavy weapons. Hell, today I lost out on a combat by shooting up a squad before charging in and the squad I shot, ran like littles bishes. Either the points spent on the guns are tied up in rounds of combat, or your running, or you end up making your assault target run away screaming.

But what do I know, Im getting the boot

@OMG

It was great fun! He saw me pull them out, add them into my list, and even deploy, but once he started deploying and went to make his first move I think reality set in. We played Sieze ground/Spear Head, and with 3 of these babies sitting about 6" apart thats an effective 60"x24" area of denial, if my math is correct.

[Odd_Motorbike_Guy]

That's fabulous!

Sit them in cover and laugh!...Hell, they can move and shoot right? DO IT! (makes it 30" effective range!)

Sounds like an absolute blast, and one day I'll borrow my friends Vindicators and give it a try with some shooty Terminators... One day.

[Lion El Jason]

Assault terminators are pointless without land raiders. You can't walk them and you can't Deep Strike them effectivly.
You can play Deathwing without land raiders but you need all shooty squads. You certainly do not want Land Raiders as shooting platforms, get 2 dreadnoughts instead!

As for squad loadout, all Lightning Claw squads need to have at least one power fist type weapon (In case you get charged by a dreadnought or monstrous creature or if you just need to kill a tank) since TH&SS is a really bad weapon option for Deathwing its actually better to have a SB/CF. This is a single storm bolter which may as well be replaced with a heavy weapon. They do get used, I had 3 assault squads in my last game one with each heavy weapon and all 3 were useful over the game. Remember in 5th we are very likely to end up out of combat at various times so we get shooting opportunities. And when you're about to assault 30 gaunts, you'll be happy you flamed them first!

I mentioned a siege list in the first post, its a Deathwing+ list. I know most of us here are Deathwing purists though

[KaldCB]

The sige list looks very good actually, The vindicator works very vell with the rest of the 24" range army, but for us purist it's no good

[Iron Father]

I have a feeling you purists are a bunch of geezers who are set in your ways, this is the new school, embrace it!

[dean]

Rigid mentality? Morally inflexible? Xenophobic (even of our own PA brothers)? Stubborn?





Yep, we're Deathwing alright.
But that is a fluff discussion and should be in "The Inner Circle" thread.

My 2k list that won last week:

Belial, SB/PW
Squad Primus, AC, 2xCF
Squad Secundis, 4xLC, 1xTH/SS
Squad Tertius, HF, 2xCF
Squad Quartus, AC, 2xCF
Squad Qintus, CML, 1xCF
Ven Dread Stephen, AC/DCCW
LR
LRC

2K exactly IIRC

CML didnt do Jack. Squad Sextius is being built with an AC. Need to lose two CFs to make the AC fit.

[Raddman]

Well, truth be told, I used the siege list (three vindi's) last nite vs. an eldar opponent. He was greatly saddened by losing a large squad of wraithguard to ONE shot, losing a full squad of firedragons to ONE shot, and disappointed when one template scattered on top of his Harlies, with many dying. I only have one LR for now, but have 2 more to build. Dont worry, they will see action as well.