Tactica: Deathwing 5th Edition

[KaldCB]

Actually i think a wolf guard unit costing only 235 points would be eaten alive by a 5 th/ss + cyclone unit. Wolf guard have to pay 15 points for each storm shield making them very expensive

As for fearless I don't agree with that at all, almost every time i play against marines i make their units flee at one point during the game, and if you have fast units to follow them off the table they keep on running.

A battle i had not long ago i followed a starting unit of 10 th/ss terminators of the board with a tau drone squad. And they were in charge range of my entire line and would have wiped me the next turn had they not braked.

In assault it may kill a terminator from time to time, but i hardly loose with my terminators in assault anyway but against shooting it's nice to never have to take moral tests, especially against imp psyker battle squads

[samiens]

Given can run 5 storm shields and thunderhammers- possibly with fnp- losing assault shouldn't be too great an issue.... Plus being unbelievably hard to move off an objective, with no chance of falling back is worth its weight in gold

[Royals]

I don't have my book on me. But can you assault after shooting the CML even though it's a heavy? I can't wait to start modeling them. If you put it on a Terminator with a Storm Bolter it's still putting out four shots a turn and against light infantry that's two incredibly accurate blasts.

[KaldCB]

I don't have my book on me. But can you assault after shooting the CML even though it's a heavy? I can't wait to start modeling them. If you put it on a Terminator with a Storm Bolter it's still putting out four shots a turn and against light infantry that's two incredibly accurate blasts.

Yes you can

[Badger[Fr]]

Remember fearless is only a disadvantage for troops with ATSKNF.

How so? It's not like Terminators are likely to die from No Retreat wounds.

Also, despite the TH&SS break (Which is awesome) and the CML cheapness (Which is amazing) Wolf Guard still get better terminators for less points.

A WG squad with 5 TH/SS and a CML costs no less than 345 points. So much for the "better" Terminators...

As for Belial, well we don't call him captain useless for nothing. When your super special characters best use is soaking plasma wounds we're entitled to say he's not amazing.

Belial may be mediocre, but he's cheap. No matter how good Logan is, he still costs twice as much.

There is no denying Assault Deathwing Terminators are strong enough to carry an army on their own. Which is a good thing, given the current state of the DA Codex.

[Lion El Jason]

A WG squad with 5 TH/SS and a CML costs no less than 345 points. So much for the "better" Terminators...

So don't buy TH&SS?

Wolf Guard are cheaper and come with SB & PS which is as good for assault terminators. If you want to see all the discussion on this go back in the thread to when the wolf codex was released, it was all discussed back then and its not really worth explaining it all again now.

[Badger[Fr]]

Wolf Guard are cheaper and come with SB & PS which is as good for assault terminators.

And that's why SM players favour Vanilla Terminators over Assault Terminators, am I right? I'd rather have twice the durability against armour-ignoring weapons and the ability to wound almost anything on a 2+ than a few S4 shots and a loosy PW that is utterly useless against MCs, walkers, or vehicles.

[Volandum]

Say the "only a disadvantage" thing again to BTs whose Terminators run away if they fail a 2+ (Ld9 check) at the drop of a hat.

[SabrX]

Wow, just when I was about to sell my Deathwing off, GW decides to update them with new FAQ.

Hmm, at 2K I could field Belial with TH/SS, 6 Deathwing Troops with CML, 2 Elite Deathwings, and either 1 ASS or 1 Apothecary upgrade.

6 Scoring and 9 Kill Points with decent amount of anti-mech.

[KaldCB]

Think this might be my next list to try out

1750 points

Belial, th/ss
Terminators, 5 th/ss's, cyclone + apoth and banner
Terminators, 5 th/ss's, cyclone
Terminators, 5 th/ss's, cyclone
Terminators, 5 th/ss's, cyclone
Venerable dreadnought, multimelta, heavy flamer, drop pod
Venerable dreadnought, multimelta, heavy flamer, drop pod
Venerable dreadnought, multimelta, heavy flamer, drop pod

10 points left.
A full deep strike army that should survive the return fire from an enemy after the drop while being dangerous in assault and decent in shooting.

Looks fun to play with if nothing else

[Royals]

So, it looks like it's possible to deep strike assault squads now. I guess I'll have to dump some money into buying those now!

[WhatsHisName]

Why deep strike when you can just set up 31 terminators with 6 cyclones and walk forward with your 2+3++ and LOL

[Royals]

Why deep strike when you can just set up 31 terminators with 6 cyclones and walk forward with your 2+3++ and LOL

One word, Objectives

[WhatsHisName]

One word, Objectives

Some more words...

five
turns
six
inch
move
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[KaldCB]

One word, Objectives

If nothing else, an army like that will be very good at objectives with 6 fearless scoring units with 2/3++ saves that can even deep strike to get to the difficult objectives.

I think i would have had some dreads to get some melta weapons to hurt demolisher's and land raiders, but it's not necessary

[WhatsHisName]

3 riflemen dreads would add alot of a walking cyclone list, fitting that into 1750 would be a push, perhaps only 5 units + 3 Dreads would fit though.

[magicmonkey]

hes got 6 scoring thuinder hammer units. screw objectives not in his half.

now to try them out. hows this sound.

belial, thss
deathwing squad,ac,ps,thss, 2pfsb lr
deathwing squads,2 lcs chapter banner, 2 thss apoth, hfpfds
deathwing squad,ac,ps,thss,2 pfsbfootslog
dreadnought,mm
2 aclc preds
lrc with mm

[Royals]

hes got 6 scoring thuinder hammer units. screw objectives not in his half.

Your opponent will say,"He's got six units that can't shoot in his half, screw him."

Then he'll contest your objective and camp his or just shoot you to death.

[Grunge]

So, is the 15 terminators and 3 LRCs build dead?

How about the Sgt + Chainfist + heavy weap. + 2 regulars squad?

Whats the best DW unit we can field now?

1 TH/SS Cyclone + 2TH/SS + 2 LCs?

Discuss!

[KaldCB]

Your opponent will say,"He's got six units that can't shoot in his half, screw him."

Then he'll contest your objective and camp his or just shoot you to death.

Okey, let's say you play 1750 points and you take this

Belial + apoth and banner
librarian, terminator armour combi weapon
6x5 th/ss terminators with cyclone

You do have 12 mobile missile shots so it's not that bad at shooting. If you deploy 3 squads and dwa 2 squads close first turn, with the command squad with the two characters being one of them, an opponent will not have that much time to take them down.

I don't pretend that it will be unbeatable, but i think it will be strong, and allot of the top tournament mech meta list are not designed to fight this kind of army.

So, is the 15 terminators and 3 LRCs build dead?

How about the Sgt + Chainfist + heavy weap. + 2 regulars squad?

Whats the best DW unit we can field now?

1 TH/SS Cyclone + 2TH/SS + 2 LCs?

Discuss!

I dont think the land raider army is dead, as the storm shields and power of the machine spirit have got much better, but with so much melta and dark lances flying around, you will still struggle against many builds.

As for optimal squad, i think that depends on what you want from it.
What I want from my squads is that they survive, so I think im going to change to only TH/SS terminators with one cyclone in each squad.
You will beat most units in assault, survive shooting(and assault) while having some decent shooting against both vehicles and hordes.