Whats the top S you can get with this two gifts?
IMO Manbane says clearly that 6. But some local DE (surprise!) claim they can get S7 with a throwing star. Charioters cry all day.
Whats the right answer?
Whats the top S you can get with this two gifts?
IMO Manbane says clearly that 6. But some local DE (surprise!) claim they can get S7 with a throwing star. Charioters cry all day.
Whats the right answer?
Well manbane + rending stars can get you to S7, but IIRC chariots and war machines are immune to poison and therefore you could only get a max strength of 5 against such targets. Thats the way I play it for the sake of not getting my head kicked in
War Machines are immune to poison, but Chariots certainly aren't - they used to be.
Wasn't the maximum strength 6, regardless of modifiers?
Well, Manbane coating the Rending start wound give it strength 6 against the chariots t5. Then the extra +1str because of the rending stars themselves so str7.
Now Gav Thorpe has already stated this is not how he intended the rule to work...but he doesn't work for GW anymore and its not an official ruling.
The main question is...when do you apply the strength of the rending star itself? Is it done first (Assassin would have str 5 and the Manbane would make it 6) or after as my first example.
Yes S6 is the maximum
EDIT - Rending star is *user*'s strength +1 - i.e. applied to S3 and not after Manbane
Last edited by DeathlessDraich; 15-12-2008 at 10:44.
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Manbane says that the USERS STR is 1 higher then the targets T upto a max of str 6.
Rending stars have USERS STR + 1.
RAW, against T5 opponents the assassin will have str 7 with his throwing stars.
Untill a faq is released you'll be able to obliterate chariots with manbane and rending stars.
Manbane does not use the term User's strength - it contains the phrase "modified strength".
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I don't have the book with me at the moment, so I can't quote it.Originally Posted by DeathlessDraich
Manbane does not use the term User's strength - it contains the phrase "modified strength".
But your statement doesn't change anything about the fact that he'll have str 7 vs T 5 opponents.
Manbane alters the str value (of the user...), throwing stars use Users str +1.
(And Assassins have basic str 4, not 3)
Manbane does not alter the strength value of the user - I don't have the book with me either, but "their strength" should be read as "the weapons' strength" and not the model's strength - after all it is the weapons and not the model that is coated with Manbane.
Except that Manbane says that it won't take your strength above 6. It's pretty clear that S7 should be impossible.
Personally, I don't think Manbane and Rending Stars should stack at all, but I don't want to get into that arguement at all, so it's probably best if you just assume I'm insane.
Oh. In case people are interested this is the Q&A where Gav commented on how it's supposed to work.
Khorne, he hates sorcerers because his dad was a sorcerer and abbandoned him and his mother when he was a little kid, ripping wings of insects and cutting his wrist just to see the blood flow while his dad was reading book and taking well coocked meat, that traumatised child Khorne, making unable to stand sorcerers...
Don't sig that!
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Indeed, while Dark Elf players desperate for that S7 will often say it is clear that it changes the Assassin's strength, the wording is not so clear:
"A model with a weapon coated in Manbane always counts their Strength as one higher than their target's Toughness..."
It all rests on what you interpret "their" to be referring to; it could be the Assassin or the weapon itself. So, when an Assassin coats a weapon in Manbane, does that somehow make the Assassin's own strength higher, or does it make the weapon itself stronger?
The answer should be obvious to anyone looking at the question from an unbiased standpoint
Actually ... a female DE Assassin would love to be coated with Manbane.
EvC - I bet you don't play with DE but with HE.
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Thx for the exact wording.
It 's clear that "A MODEL... counts their str as one higher then the opponents T..."
Rending stars: str as user (in this case one higher then opponents T...) + 1
Manbane also states that the MODELS str cannot go over str 6.
There's no limit on the possible str value of rending stars, a WEAPON. it' s str value is as user (max str 6 in this case) +1.
Ergo, str 7 is possible with manbane and rending stars vs T 5+ opponents.
PS.: I play lizardmen (see avatar - signature) ...
Yes, it's perfectly clear if you remove the words from the quote that mean there are two possibilities.
"...a weapon coated in Manbane always counts their Strength as one higher than their target's Toughness"
See, I can do it too
Again, it comes down to whether you believe it is the Assassin being coated in Manbane, or their weapons. If you really want to go with the interpretation that sounds retarded, go ahead
What would the str value of that "weapon" be then if your opponent had T5?
Str 6 right?
Rending stars add +1 to that.
No. The S value of that weapon would be 6. Rending Stars would increase the strength of the assassin to 5, but the S value of the weapon actually used would be one higher than the toughness, i.e. 6. Once again, the Assassin is not the one coated in Manbane!
No, the assassin is not coated in manbane.
But the rule does not say the str of the weapon is affected, the rule says the str of the model with the weapon coated in manbane is affected.
Therefor your making the assassin have str 6. Rendering stars give the ranged attacks of the assassin +1 str. Str 7. Remember, the rules say the model counts thier strength as one higher then the target's toughess. Then Rendering Star adds +1 to it's users str, bring this up to a maximin of 7.
It doesn't matter that it's the weapon being coated, the rule says it's the model with the weapon that has their str changed. Also, I'm no a DE player, I play lizzies. I face a ton of DE at my local club though.
On another note, is a female DE Assassin coated in manbane classed as a weapon?
Last edited by Necromancy Black; 15-12-2008 at 21:36.
It is one interepretation the the rule refers to the S of the model, or it could be the S of the weapon itself. It is not clear- it could be telling us that they count their weapons' strength as one more than the target's toughness. There's absolutely no way for us to know
...oh wait, there IS a way for us to know! Gav Thorpe himself answers the question in his blog, linked to on this very page. Here it is for those who have missed it:
http://mechanicalhamster.wordpress.c...-on-the-rules/
Now, you can tell me I'm wrong all you like, but once you get to the stage where you're arguing that:
a) When an assassin's weapon is coated in Manbane, it somehow makes the Assassin really strong, rather than the weapon AND
b) That Gav Thorpe (THE GUY WHO WROTE THE ARMY BOOK) is wrong
Then you probably want to reconsider your position
i think its b
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