Do you not find it strange a Cannon can, by drawing line of sight, pick out a character on foot even though the character is behind a squad. As a matter of fact I find it strange a cannon can sniper down a single model.
Is there any rule clarification on this? Any FAQ or ammendments?
Even if the character is visible, I can not see the cannon crew lighting the flint and then moving the cannon to aim at the character as the character moves in battle.
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Hi
So are the rules. (maybe not the most sportsman-like conduct, but not wrong either)
Honestly, if you keep your characters separate while facing any enemy with non BS-WarMachines they deserve to be squashed by a cannonball.
Put your characters into units, and they can do what they should do: Lead the troops...
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Festus
If you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all!Originally Posted by T10
Okay, so cannons can snipe.
Destiny favours the bold
Characters are protected against being targeted by shooting under certain circumstances (see the chapter on characters). Though the mechanics for most artillery appear to circumvent this, the restriction on targeting characters is no less valid.
Enforcing this is an entiely different matter, though, but it is not impossible: If your opponent is lining up his shots to pass through your character, you can call him on it.
A: "You are targeting my character. That's not allowed as he is within 5" of that regiment and further away from your stone thrower."
B: "Uh, yeah, but I'm targeting the unit behind him."
A: "Your selected trajectory wil result in scoring a partial hit on ONE model at best. Please reconsider your target selection."
-T10
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Not true. It's perfectly legal to aim at the character with Stonethrowers and cannons etc.. It's right there on page 100.
Hi
You are wrong here, T10, as the commentary on WMs shows (as do the rules, which do not know targeting restrictions apart from LoS for non BS WMs):
More about it here:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/chronic...ar-machines/1/
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Festus
If you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all!
You could always sock your opponent in the jaw, and then point out that it doesn't say that you can't do that in the rules. That might demonstrate the point effectively.
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If he is a significant distance behind the unit then no you cant overguess, but if he is standing right behind them and the cannon aims for the unit so be it if he gets hit.
B: Wrong. The rulebook and the articly by Gav Thorp specificaly say war machines can be aimed directly at characters.
Of course, Gav is simply re-inventing rules here (again).
Targeting restrictions on characters is still a rule. Gav just says it's ok to disregard it.
-T10
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Only applies to BS type weaponry
Page 100 of the rulebook says otherwise.
It is obvious that charcters can be targeted. It is stupid to use the "they can't see rule" as it isn't present in other parts of the game either. They game is played from the point of view of the gamer, the rest is just calling on it when it suits your situation.
Though it may appear that I am arguing the rules on this (well, I do), I don't plan to make a big issue of it during a game.
I'll simply refrain from taking advantage of this "option" as appropriate.
If I have the pleasure of playing against an opponent that resorts to such tactics, I'll return the favor. I'm not stupid.
-T10
Will Orc for food!
Hi
AFAIK noone said that you are stupid...
...and it is only fair if you return the favour.
The positive aspect of that rule is that it forces characters to stay in units and not go frollicking on their own. If they choose to leave the protection of their mates it is at their own risk.
This is good in my book.
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Festus
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Personally, I don't really see the point of hiding characters behind units (unless they are those cowardly Skaven).
Leaders should be placed in the front ranks of units, and as for comet-calling heavens wizards (who would deserve to get a cannonball in their head anyway), they can also be hidden behind forests, hills or buildings.
Right. It's not a bug but a feature of cannons and other template weapons. It's part of the design of the game. Cannons are one of the best equalizers in the game.
The unexamined game isn't worth playing.
Well, that makes sense, but then that's the point of the 5" rule and line of sight, isn't it? I know this is departing from the original question, but since that has been resolved, isn't it a little off that you can only do this with cannons and stone throwers? Why shouldn't you do it with bows or bolt throwers?
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Oh dear let's not get into yet another long discussion between logic and GW games rules
Indeed, it's the whole point of the "Look out Sir Rule".
Given good gunners, cannons can hit specific targets over a mile away. Read up on some of the gunnery of the late 1700s and early 1800s.
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