There've been a few Threads of late talking about how the Black Legion would be better off without Abbadon. I'm not a Chaos fanboy, so I can't weigh in on the subject myself, but one of the arguments is that he failed at all 13 Black Crusades.
I don't seem to recall him having commanded every single crusade, or that this last one was an absolute failure.
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Every Crusade was of Abbadons archutechture although he did not personally lead each crusade the Arx world incident is believe it or not classed as a black crusade full blown black crusades are the 1st the 10th and the 13th as i recall the rest have been raids and scattered attacks designed to test imperial defences mainly around the cadian gate the 13th black crusade was no failure rest assured and Abaddon is still firmly in control it gave chaos a foothold and removed many of their most hated enemies Eldrad Utharn being one of them Typhus has now set up perminant residence on a daemon world outside the eye so expect abaddon to mount yet another major attack only thing thats stoppin him is that his planetkiller had **** bricks kicked outta it hope i helped
He might have a foothold but he's not going anywere not that the Imperial Navy has allmost full control of the space-landes around Cadia. And he can forget reinforcement for the same reason.
Originally Posted by precinctomega
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It's cleary written in the 40K Rulebook!
Abaddon has led thirteen Crusades himself.
Others have led Black Crusades but Abaddon's are clearly stated to be the most effective.
So you have Abaddon's 13 B.C.'s and then everyone elses.
Sorryforpickingonyoubutitisverydifficulttoreadthre adswithoutanypunctuationEvery Crusade was of Abbadons archutechture although he did not personally lead each crusade the Arx world incident is believe it or not classed as a black crusade full blown black crusades are the 1st the 10th and the 13th as i recall the rest have been raids and scattered attacks designed to test imperial defences mainly around the cadian gate the 13th black crusade was no failure rest assured and Abaddon is still firmly in control it gave chaos a foothold and removed many of their most hated enemies Eldrad Utharn being one of them Typhus has now set up perminant residence on a daemon world outside the eye so expect abaddon to mount yet another major attack only thing thats stoppin him is that his planetkiller had **** bricks kicked outta it hope i helped
I believe one Black Crusade was led by a Daemon Prince N'Kari (think that's it), however if what is earlier said is true, it is not counted as a major one.
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In Codex Chaos it clearly states that abaddon has NOT led all of the Black Crusades the gothic war is one of three crusades he has led.The only punitive attack he did lead was on Arx where for reasons only known to abaddon he killed a whole colony of Ratlings and sacrificed them to whatever god he was sharing a bed with at the time.Hmmm most proberly khorne. (hehe is that betta punctuated i do try to please)
As for the foothold CHAOS has a bloody great foothold in the Cadian Sector the battles that still rage on the surface of the planet are testament to this. And the fact that Typhus has his own daemon world is a reason to say that CHAOS individually or in a pantheon has a bloody good foothold imperial navy or no bloody imperial navy. The imperium got pwned to a draw deal wiv it i have lol
To further comment on the fact Abaddon doesnt need to go anywhere.HE can just grind cadia down he knows fully well that the space marine chapters are galivanting around space trying to hold off the depredations of both the new Tyranid Threat and the Fledgling Tau empire plus the Orks are bein a well big pain in the Emperors ass. If I was Abaddon id be sittin back on my ass on the planetkiller laughin my ass off at the imperiums apparent misfortune of havin to fight a war on three fronts. OH and lets not forget the threat of the necrontyr hehe i know i play as marines but even i can see when we i.e the imperium are in a spot of bother.
The Orks, I can imagine, but how does he know about the 'nids and the Tau? Sources?
As I see it, GW has put a nice stalemate on the situation: Chaos can pretty much do whatever they want on the planets they have taken/are still battling on. There, they have the numbers and the drive to do as much damage to the Imperium as they can. However, that would be it. With the Navy controlling the spacelanes, the heretics are trapped in their individual battlezones, unable to escape or receive reinforcements (warp summoning doesn't count really).
Chaos has now footholds outside the EoT, yes. But will new BCs be possible? Will they be able to hold their ground and keep the pressure on the Imperium? Thanks to GW, time will not tell.
The Orks, I can imagine, but how does he know about the 'nids and the Tau? Sources?
As I see it, GW has put a nice stalemate on the situation: Chaos can pretty much do whatever they want on the planets they have taken/are still battling on. There, they have the numbers and the drive to do as much damage to the Imperium as they can. However, that would be it. With the Navy controlling the spacelanes, the heretics are trapped in their individual battlezones, unable to escape or receive reinforcements (warp summoning doesn't count really).
Chaos has now footholds outside the EoT, yes. But will new BCs be possible? Will they be able to hold their ground and keep the pressure on the Imperium? Thanks to GW, time will not tell.
Hmmmm HELLLLOOOOO!!! Necrontyr when those babies awaken in force it'll be every bloody battlefleet on divert for wherever the metal nasties are rampaging leaving the door open for BC 14 Time will tell. Remember Abaddon i.e Warmasters clone son= pretty clever chap hes waiting his time biding for the route to earth to be so gaping wide that he can just slip by thats not if the Necrontyr get there first.And the Nids well they are hungry as as long as humans insist on getting in the way lol
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I think you are making too much assumptions there.
Abbadon is rumored to be Horus' clone kid, and even so he isn't omniscient. The Chaos Gods could provide him with some intelligence, but they are fickle, and they don't like losers. I have my own theories on that, though, but they don't belong here.
When the Necrons wake in force, it will be trouble for anyone, not just the Imperium. Their grudge is against all living things. And remember, they are as opposed (if not even more) to Chaos as Imperial forces.
Nids are similar: they'll eat whatever comes in front of them. Their Shadow in the Warp could wreak havoc on Chaos if they decide to show up in the western front. Thankfully for them, Nids seem to concentrate in the east... but I wouldn't be too surprised if a splinter fleet decides to go eat some warp-spawned meat.
So there. Things look bad for everyone near the EoT, I'd say.
Last edited by Goblinardo; 27-12-2005 at 00:44.
Point taken the C'tan could pretty much bend the chaos gods over and bugger em to feckery anyways. its a cruel universe and as u say assumptions can be made ah we are but at the subtle whims of the GW development staff.
I wouldn't say the C'tan can waste the Chaos Gods, nor viceversa: both operate in different planes of reality, so they can't truly interact. What the Star Gods can do is starve the Big Four by killing all life in the galaxy.
But anyway, I said a couple of posts ago that thanks to GW, time will not tell how all of this will turn out, so...
the Necrontyr threat will never be as it was before.. first of all, Nightbringer almost died in his tomb before being awoken. The C'Tan are "amazed" at the sheer population of orks and humans. The Talismans of Vaul are still out there (although not exactly accessable) and the Eldar are still around. The Tau are just a speed bump for the C'Tan, not really a viable threat.
But the issue is that it's unlikely that the Necron force would ever be to the scale it was before-the numbers are (in purportion) few to before, not to mention only 4 C'Tan: 1 is untrustworthy, 1 is weakened, 1 is still sleeping, and 1 has lost his marbles.
The largest threat to the galaxy is 'nids. However they won't even touch our tomb worlds so who knows
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Dudes, there is no Necrontyr threat, they were turned into the Necrons remember?
And the C'tan can only destroy the chaos gods by killing all life or seperating the materium from the immaterium so much that they gain no power from the materium. The chaos gods could destroy the C'tan by imprisoning them in the warp, which is far easier than killing everything and seperating reality and the warp.
Yes the Imperium controls the space lanes, but the problem with this is, if their bases get attacked, and Abbadon starts minor engagements with Imperial ships many of them are gonna start running out of ammo as well as unrepaired battle damage. The tactic presumably the Imperium needs to go for now, is use the Naval superiority and get control over the space round planets, and start invasions using the SMs.
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I've yet to see anything that says Abaddon hasn't led all 13 of the crusades, to some degree or another. Not all of them have been massive invasions, though three of them were what we could class as 'major', the 13th being one of them.
There are Tyranids near the EOT, according to the current Tyranid Codex. They were blown off-course from the main fleet in the warp. Interesting to see what the result would be, shadow in the warp-wise...
Abaddon and his minions have made footholds in real space, and have either sacked or conquered most of the Cadian sector. The downside is that he's out of momentum, his forces are cut off from each other and isolated, incapable of reinforcment, repair, or co-ordination, and Imperial reinforcements are arriving. Planets aren't much use if you're confined to them.
Abaddon doesn't, and never has, worshipped any one Chaos god more than another. The Arx statio was destroyed as a preliminary move to the Gothic War. Ornsworld, the Ratling homeworld, was sacked in order to capture an ancient device that had been hidden there (the eye of night).
Last edited by ryng_sting; 27-12-2005 at 09:17.
he led 13 crusades all done.no more to discuss
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