not square enough: you mean like boxy? too angular?
not square enough: you mean like boxy? too angular?
Yeah, like it should be more boxy. Not taller, just fewer angles than it has now. It has slanting edges all over the place, maybe tone that down a bit. Like four corners instead of eight.
EDIT: But won't the big turret your going to add make this hatch impossible to open? And on the topic of hatches, have you thought about adding a (smaller) hatch for the driver on the front of the tank? I mean further down and forwards than the one we are currently discussing.
Last edited by Azroth; 16-07-2009 at 22:39.
I see. Well then, have at it. I still think that the hatch should be more square, not almost octagon. Do you agree with this?
Anyway, keep up the good work. This is goodnight for me, but I'll definitely keep an eye on this thread.
Yeah, I realized that afterwards, kinda tired lol. The original hatch operated similar to the abrams, you push up, and it rotates to the side. I'm going to go back and redesign this one to do the same.
And yeah, I can see it need a slightly squarer shape, I'm gonna see what I can do, since it looks wierd being squared off in the back.
The rear hinges are great. I like that the hatch wraps the not so gothic arch thing. The forward hatch is nice as well, I'm just curious what the turret will look like. I hope that they don't conflict when the hatch would open. Progressing wonderfully though!
I'm gonna keep working on the front hatch as the turret will almost certainly interfere with it(which is why I'm going to steal the abrams hatch design heavily...). As for the turret, right now that only exists in my head, but I'm imagining something akin to the millenium falcon (without the bridge sticking out the side), but more angular. Thats a really bad description of it, but thats the easiest way I now how to put it into words.
I see where you're going with it. That should look really good with the rest of the tank.
If you're worried about the number of rivets, either put lots on (that people can then shave off) or supply the tank with a sheet of rivets people can slice off and glue on.
Personally I think the sponson housings could do with being a little taller (yes, I know they'll interfere with the turret rotation). If your market for this is as a proxy for a Leman Russ, you should expect that people will want to put recognisable GW weapons in there, and the Russ sponson ones are a bit big.
As others have said, it's very hard to get a sense of scale from the pics, but the weapon housings all look a little on the small side.
Speaking of weapons, it would be nice to see your designs for them.
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yeah, I keep meaning to do a scale shot. The best I can offer you atm (until tomorrow morning, Im about to hit the hay) is that the big hole on the top surface is exactly 1.5" in diameter, just under the diameter of a 40mm base.
As for weapons, I'm going to be doing those later, people won't have to worry about it, as I intend on providing all weapon options, and making them all recognizable as to what they are supposed to represent (although obviously I'm going to be putting myown spin on all of them, as I am extremely critical of most of GW's work in relation to the imperium and find fault with most/all of it).
That's exciting news. Although your description of the turret at this point is very vague, I can certainly imagine it in my head.
I'm also looking forward to see where you are going with the weapons. Oh, and don't listen to all the sponson nay-sayers. I think the current sponson design is spot on, I love the fact that they are as low and integrated as they are. That is one of the key features that really makes this tank wonderful and unique in my opinion.
Very good idea.
If you want to sell this beautiful model to Imperial Guard threadheads and players of other gaming systems probably it's better to cast the model with flat areas. Adding rivets to a tank should be easy (even for a conversion-scared 40K player). Filing off so many rivets from the tank, on the other hand, could be a nightmarish experience both for 40K and non-40K players...
I'm really impressed, by the way. It's a very good work.
I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it
I think you should do it with the rivets, as I think it looks great as it is. Besides, removing rivets isn't exactly, even for conversion-scared 40K players.
And if you do think removing rivets is hard, invest in one of these: http://www.micromark.com/4mm-PLASTIC...ISEL,7584.html
There's both a 4mm and a 2mm version, and they're handy as hell.
So, in short, do the rivets. Rivets are cool. Your tank looks very good so far with lots of rivets.
I think you should have kept the little arches on the tracks, It makes it look a little more like a bane blade, but It seems to have lost a bit of the Gothic feel. The shape and lines of the tank give it a more modern tank kind of feel than the leman russ, but the box arches dispel the gothic nature of the imperium. its a small detail But I think if its goign to fit in with the warhammer universe, the arches should fit the regular Gothic style. It would still keep the realism of the modern tank feel. I really like the sponsons tho, Very stylish and subtle, how you integrate them with the rest of the tank but at the same time, still sponsons. How would you fit the weapons onto them? Side ways?
I ain't touching this rivet argument just yet (its keeping my thread bumped ) all what I'm going to say is that the finished design will have rivets, though most likely not as many as it does now).
As for the arches, I like to have repeating design features, if I had kept the gothic arches on the track skirting, I would have had to repeat that detail elsewhere, likewise I would also have to find another location to repeat the box arch detail on the back (I like the box arch way better than the gothic arch on the back). I am going to achieve the gothic feel, this I am sure of, but it will be done without gothic arches(and I think I am well on the way to achieving it).
As for sponsons, when the kits are produced, the "interior" of the sponson will be a single large cylinder. There will be a box-shaped hole on one side, into which the sponson weapon will slide(I.E. the weapon will be perpendicular to the axis of rotation). If you choose not to use the sponson weapon option, then you just rotate the cylinder so the opposite side is showing (and I might put some minor surface detail on there, like a vision slit or something).
She looks fantastic dude. Good luck with completing her.
With regard to IP, I'm siding on the "you're way safe" side, since this isn't anything like a GW tank. Course, the flip side is that tournie organisers then say it's not a GW model and you can't bring it to an event, which just removes any chance of participant creativity!
Still, no reason why people can't accidentally measure some cuoplas and turret pieces up and provide those messages to you in private.
I'll look forward to seeing her completed, since this interests me not only in terms of being an IG tank, but also appeals to my 3D modelling interests too.
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Anyway, I redid the hatch, and I'm a lot happier with it now.
And from the other side
Still feels like something is missing though. I think it needs some sort of handle or locking mechanism... I just cant figure out what or how (since any form of respectable looking handle will undoubtedly have to made as a seperate piece, and I'm trying to limit the number of fiddly bits, since I find that to be the most infuriating aspect of fine scale military modeling).
Very nice indeed. Exactly what I was talking about. As soon as you got rid of the octagon shape, the hatch was spot on.
Do you really feel like you need a handle? I don't think it really needs it, but it's totally ok if it gets it. And maybe reduce the size of the four rivets to the size that you have on the rest of the tank, and bump up the number of them to ten or so.
Rivets are what's going to keep this thread alive after all.
I have to agree with Azroth on shrinking the rivets on the hatch. It does look great though. If you really want a handle on it you could put a recessed handle opposite the hinge on the front side, then you keep the profile, but have a handle and a more unique hatch than now. It's coming along great!