Mostly metal models increasing than decreasing. i'm planning on buy a Lemartes before it increases by like 5dollars
Mostly metal models increasing than decreasing. i'm planning on buy a Lemartes before it increases by like 5dollars
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Orks is to Tyranids as California is to the Gold rush.
Times I've been called Slingerslam instead of slingersam: 4
From my experience
I used to play a lot maybe 7-10 years ago, (issue 244 was my first white dwarf) but as I was a teenager at the time with limited financial resources I could not to continue the hobby. I just could not afford the increasing prices and decreasing quality of the publications such as codexes and half the white dwarf magazine being devoted to the latest lord of the rings licensed money spinner. (although I did like the models)
Every now and then I get a small urge to play again or make a new army, I think back to when I bought my first box of Catachan jungle fighters, 20 models for 12 pounds, yesterday I loked at the GW website and the same product would cost 31 pounds. YES almost a THREE FOLD PRICE INCREASE.
Try explaining to any new player or returning gamer that 20 plastic men are worth 31 pounds.
Also I love battlefleet gothic and still play it now as it is far more suitable to play with people who havent played a table top game before, but its sad to see how quickly that this game was sidelined and dumped into specialist games, I can only assume because you only had to purchase a few models to play. Now I source all my models from ebay.
This says it all
http://theminiaturespage.com/news/434048/
I did and stand by this, what i was alluding too was that the GW Finecast range hasn't been released and all we have seen is via photos and yet some here and i'll be fair on other forums are giving GW one hell of a beating over the range, those folks are pathological whingers that nothing will please them.Originally Posted by logan054
I thought you just said in another topic "give GW a break"
Also GW is at the moment perfectly within their right to charge these mark-ups and abhorrent price rises, why because there is nothing the Governmnet or the ACCC can do, and the Government and the ACCC has no plans in the future to do anything about it.
It doesn't affect me, i buy on EBay and save a fortune, also i have tracked down several other online retailers that ship GW product to Australia for about 50% of GW shelf price and that is including postage. I saw this as an opportunity, unfortunately some didn't and some won't.
To be honest regardless of the quality the price rise on it is what has set most people off (i rightly so), I can't say i will be buying any of it, gone are the days of impulse buying a character to paint at those prices. Still I think when you see GW ranting and raving about the the "new" product range which is meant to be better and all you see is pictures that show moulding problems you can only really expect people to pick on it.
While they certainly are within their rights it doesn't make it acceptable, I guess its much like all the ranting and personal attacks about Matt Ward, people are within their right to do this as well.
Certainly dosen't effect me either, I only but from ebay or just buy paints in the shop, I am surprised you managed to find such good prices that can ship to Aus with trade embargo.
well, seeing the price rise with citadel finecast is really put into perspective when you see that mantic have just moved some of their miniatures in plastic resin and not only have maintained the same price but DOUBLED the number of figures per box.. http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home...0-Figures.html
Yes, this just says it all. In what way is a price raise motivated by these fine casts models? Its just stupid from start to finish. The materials are cheaper and they already have the forms for it. This is just an arrogant scam, nothing else. I dont care how many letters the CEO writes about how they "are developing" etc. Its simply not true. This raising of prices is to benefit stockholders. They could develop the game twice as fast and it would not bring down thier earnings that much.
The problem its not a 2-3% raise its 20% raise that is happeneing it is getting out of hand. I was planning on starting a tallarn army our of catachens by doing some greenstuff work but not a chance now
http://www.darksphere.co.uk/?PHPSESS...jd782g75u8v7a4
is the new prices they implemented yesterday. Very disapointing
Asalam alakum(A-Salam-A-lak-um) means Peace be upon you (Y)
Orks is to Tyranids as California is to the Gold rush.
Times I've been called Slingerslam instead of slingersam: 4
I just cancelled my Warriors of Chaos project. I was contemplating ordering them from maelstrom before that window closed, but in the end, I decided to expand my cryx from 25 to 50 points and buy myself a new touch screen ereader with the left over money.
I've seen all the price rises today, in euros, and IT'S INSANE. They have gone too far this time.
I don't get it, I've been collecting GW and various things for years and their prices haven't gone up anymore than a loaf of bread of a gallon of fuel. Also, who cares if the characters are up by a quid or two? You save £15 on 3 Ushabti on the old cost, call me an optimist, but that's a 30% price cut...
And as for looking at hordes or warmachine, like hell am I paying £30+ for 4 metal models that barely consitutes a skirmishing force, a guy in my local indie store said "you only need to spend about £200 to start warmachine" mhmm.
People can whinge about it all they want, all hobbys are expensive, my dad spends more on golf in a month than I've spent on minis in my whole life (hell of a lot).
I can walk into any gw on a saturday and it's no quieter than it was 5 years ago, I don't see the machine slowing down, of course mistakes have been made but nothing that I have no doubt they will overcome, how many years have people been saying "this price rise is ridiculous", "GW are losing customers", "they've done it this time"?
Yes, i'll call you a blind optimist. Only the ushabtis and the Treekins have gone down in price, not a 30%, something less. The rest of the products have gone up between 10 and 30%, even those things that are not made in finecash.
If you don't see the machine slowing down...then you're blind, or have bad memory. Numbers speak for themselves.
Really? because there has been a ~25% price rise every year for the last ten years (and that's not including models being repacked in smaller quantities for the same price, as the fantasy Orcs were). I know the UK is suffering under 5% inflation at the moment, but if general prices had kept pace with GW's as you suggest then you would be paying over £5 for a loaf of bread.
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We would say the same if our daddies were rich. Dont be angry and the boy. Certainly the prices have raised quite a lot over inflation, but i think fuel is now double than 10 years ago too.
I don't own a car for a reason
You cant compare the price of fuel or bread or other commodoties that are in huge and increasing demand from across the world to the supply of plastic/metal models.
The funny thing in all this is when you go into a GW store to play a game the staff don't know where you bought your figures (unless you tell them).
So i go onto EBay find my supplier and i order 4 boxes of Chaos Space Marines Terminators for $160.00au plus $22.00Au postage making the whole order $182.00Au while my local GW Store has that lot for $296.00 thus saving me 48% on shelf price and the more i order the more i save on ticketed prices.
So i buy them, build them and paint them and then go into my GW store to play with them, they are none the wiser.
why not? if fuel raises why wouldnt minis? Although its true fuel raises by demand while im not sure GW minis have raised in demand that much
You know, this kinda hits on the key problem of the GW business model, and the fact that I wonder if the guys in charge have ever even attended basic classes.why not? if fuel raises why wouldnt minis? Although its true fuel raises by demand while im not sure GW minis have raised in demand that much
If supply > demand for a product, you lower prices.
If supply < demand for a product, then you can raise prices.
They always, ALWAYS respond to a dip in demand for their miniatures by raising prices on them, figuring their core market is "price inelastic" - no matter what GW charges, people will pay them because they must have GW minis. Just like people must have gas to drive, so people pay the $4-6 per gallon at the pump, so GW figures that people must have their minis.
This is incorrect reasoning, to put it mildly.
To put it more correctly, they have their heads so far up their - well, so far up there that when they sneeze it comes out their noses.
You can find GW's prices year over year on the wayback machine at archive.org. Take the price of an average unit (squad or regiment box type thing) and divide that into their gross revenue, year over year. You'll see a very, very sharp decline in unit sales.
Their pricing has:
a) driven away customers so less people are playing/buying
b) reduced the amount that each customer purchases
All the while, their rules constantly devalue their own product more and more. With every codex, the points costs of things go down. With each edition, the normal "full size game" points value goes up. So you have price raises that compound year after year compounded again by changes to their games.
Their use of plastics means they have high up front capital costs but low per unit costs. That's the type of manufacturing you want for volume production. Yet they are intentionally choosing to go with reduced volume at higher prices. Their pricing strategy is in direct opposition to their operational strategy.
Then add in the social aspect of their games. People play games with other people. People get interested in the newest releases and building an army when they have a community or network of like minded individuals around them.
But their pricing strategy is focused on selling less units to less people for higher prices. So every person that quits rather than paying the new prices contributes to the demise of the local GW community. When that falls below the critical mass, the community loses cohesion and the social impetus to play their games vanishes. It used to be that I could show up at any of 5 different retail locations (1 GW, 4 indie) on any evening of the week and would get a game of 40k in. That's all gone now. People have been priced out to the point that the community crumbled.
The social nature of a game you play with other people and their manufacturing setup for high volume (low per unit cost) of production are heavily clashing with their pricing strategy. They've had to close stores like made, lay off tons and tons of people and cut corners whenever possible to get back into profitability. And their high prices still continue to erode their customer base, so they have no choice but to keep raising them to keep revenue up. Internal GW emails that refer to the price increases as annual events that will keep occurring do so with a reason. Expect a similar price increase this time next year.
And remember the rule of 72. If you divide an percentage rate into 72, that's how many years it will take for the price to double. So if you used inflation at 3%, prices would double every 24 years. Even at 4%, it'd take 18 years. At higher levels, like what the UK is experiencing now, it's still in the 12-14 year range. But with GW doing 10%, 20% and even 30% price increases, expect the prices you pay to double very, very shortly.
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