Unfortunately, Savage Orcs fall squarely into that category, so apparently GW has hit that point of insanity.Originally Posted by loveless
I actually bought a box of them, but it was only because they were on a 40% discount. They're beautiful models (I'm currently in the process of painting them), but there's no way they're worth the normal retail price.
"Ember of Dreams"
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Savage Orcs are $29 for 10, or $2.90 a model. They're also 25mm bases, which puts my personal level of pricing tolerance a bit higher for them. Mind you, I still think they're far too expensive, while quite nice models. Basic discounting can them to around the $2.20/model area, but it's still rough. It's a pity, as I rather like them.
Speaking of Orcs, though, I will say that selling the standard Orc Boyz - which are ancient beyond mortal reckoning - at $29 for 10 is pants-on-head bonkers.
...and a little help comes in a little glass vial in a gun pressed against her anatomy...
You can always file off your nipples, it's easily done.
In the US the free shipping limit went from 30 dollars to 50 dollars. I suspect the new paint sets will be between those two amounts.
Well...there goes their chances of me ordering anything direct again. Good work, GW!
...and a little help comes in a little glass vial in a gun pressed against her anatomy...
You can always file off your nipples, it's easily done.
Why would you order anything from GW direct, unless it was direct order only?
A couple weeks ago I added up my cost per model, just because I was curious. My Mantic models came to $0.33 each. Yeah, that's not a typo. I can get a unit of ten models for less than the price of one space marine. I kid you not. There's just no way for GW to validate their pricing structure, when Mantic can offer products at 1/10 of the price, and still expand rapidly.
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Hehe, saw a ME3 vs. Land Raider comparison a while back and just had to laugh a little bit. If the big centerpiece models in an army cost $60CAD it wouldn't be so bad... $80, however, is ME3 N7 Edition territory
I've said it before, but it amuses me so I'll say it again: I find it hilarious that I can justify buying pre-heresy Forgeworld models at retail cost, when I don't even really play 40k anymore, and yet I can't really justify buying anything more than the odd army book for Fantasy, the game I actually do enjoy playing and can easily get a solid 25% or more discount on. How messed up is that
Only if dinner and the movie were both of a high quality...
I've been playing 40K and to some degree Fantasy off and on for 14 years. GW seems to do everything in their power to piss of their customer base, yet have been relatively immune to the negative effects until recently.
1) The barrier of entry into the game is way too high. You cannot get a remotely competitive army for less than $300 and if you are going to play tournaments or a typical game, expect to pay $700+. That is a gaming system with one game just to enter the game and a gaming system with 6 games. Most people will use the video game system for more hours and only a few will feet more value out of the table top game. The initial sticker shock when compared to comparable items is not on par. At least Warmachine has a low barrier to entry so you can start playing for cheap.
2) GW codex power creep relative to the other armies means that players need at least two armies in order to be competitive. My Chaos forces have been so bad at times ( start of 3rd and currently) that I have chosen to stop playing than to deal with the poor rules. If I were to stay in the game, I would need to buy another army in order not want to kill myself after a few months of getting my face pushed in by army of the month.
3) GW likes to also rotate which units are any good with in an edition or most recent codex. Vehicles sucked in 2nd and 4 the, yet were great in 3 rd and 5th. Basically, players have to buy new models to retool their army fairly regularly.
4) Squad boxes don't have useful weapon options ( melta & plasma), but have to be bought separately. Nuff said.
5) Prices go up every year by large margins, quality goes down some times ( finecaste).
What seems to a several hundred dollar game is actually several thousand dollars for a company that still appears to not care too much about it's players.
Basically, what seems to be a
I also sometimes order directly from GW, mostly with a new release. Especially the magic spell cards. It's delivered very quickly. For all my other stuff I use Maelstrom, which takes a bit longer to get processed in comparison with GW.
I agree that GW prices are not cheap. I don't agree that you should compare it with Mantic prices. I don't think Mantic really offers value for money, which sounds absurd when you look at the price per model as you pointed out. But still that's my opinion.
I went into my local GW and bought 2 boxes of Greatswords, a Finecast Empire captian the Plastic Nurgle Lord some new Glue and a couple of brushes and spent about 85 pounds. Ive spent about 6 hours today on building them and will spend many more hours painting and playing with them. While I was out I also went to the cinema, then to have dinner with a friend followed by a couple of drinks and a taxi home. That was the same amount of money spent.
GW isnt cheap... Its an indulgence, but Ive never understood why people moan about the prices all the time. If you dont want to pay... dont.
People complain about the price of gasoline, milk, eggs, and cable, too - but most people still end up paying for them. Should they not be entitled to say they feel the price is unfair?GW isnt cheap... Its an indulgence, but Ive never understood why people moan about the prices all the time. If you dont want to pay... dont.
GW gets a special place of annoyance in my heart due to some rather outlandish price increases year after year. Plastic Grave Guard were $25/10 when they released. Now they're $41.25/10. Orc Boyz were $35/19 for ages then swapped over to $29/10 without so much as a recut earlier this year. Every LotR infantry box received a crazy price increase per model earlier this year as well...though I suppose that means I could charge more on eBay for the 24-man boxes I still have NIB...
Plastic isn't that expensive of a material from what I recall. The molds are expensive, but the material isn't - this was why plastic models were typically cheaper than their metal equivalents (or more immune to price increases). One year GW decided to pump up their prices...and now it's become a nearly annual thing for the plastic to get more expensive. I'm honestly not sure why a Rhino costs $33 when I seem to recall it being a fair bit cheaper not all that long ago. For some reason, the price of that Rhino chassis rockets to $49.50 if I want a Predator, Vindicator, or Whirlwind. Land Raiders are $66 for some reason (I think the last one i bought was "only" $50) and while I used to be able to grab a metal Terminator character for $15 or less, I'm now going to be shelling out somewhere in the neighborhood of $25 for a resin one (and 2-3 bubbled/miscast versions of that model by the time I'm done dealing with customer service).
It's all a bit silly - every time GW moves to a more cost-stable material, they tack on a price increase...and then increase the price again anyway, building further barriers to entry. Couple this with GW's "bigger is better" approach to army size and it gets dang difficult to convince anyone to get into one of their games. Drop the prices or drop the standard game size (without tacking on a price increase) and I'd complain less - as it stands, there's not a lot of fresh faces showing up in gaming groups.
Really, though, why should they show up to play Fantasy/40K when other companies are pumping out cheap miniatures (Mantic, Reaper, etc.) and others are pumping out miniatures of similar price to GW's for substantially smaller games (Privateer, Wyrd, etc.)? My cash is going to get me more at nearly every other game system if I want to get to a standard army size. Meanwhile, GW is still trying to make me pay over $4/model for 20mm-based wound counters that never actually get to swing in combat or shoot a weapon. Woo -_-;
...and a little help comes in a little glass vial in a gun pressed against her anatomy...
You can always file off your nipples, it's easily done.
I share your feelings. It's sad to see my gaming group has gone from 8 active players, to 3 active players, with no new faces, despite several attempts to recruit friends and other people into the hobby. And the reason is always the same: "FOr that price? No, thanks".
My LGS has just had some new space wolf stuff in including new finecast re-issues, now they also have the exact same characters in metal still, on the same rack.
My point?
metal ones = £8 (logan and njal) finecast= £15 (same again but njal has been mispacked as corteaz in EVERY instance)
That is why people are having a major disconnect with GW's prices it's obvious that it just jumps suddenly and by a large amount for seemingly no other reason than 'because' and that's just one example.
"every year spring has sprung, but why oh why has it never tangled and broken like a well used slinky?"
Price is and always will be an issue games workshop will never escape from. So many competitors just do the smae or better for cheaper. Games workshop need to realize this before it goes way further out of hand pricing than is already
I think there's been a price increase on the starter paint sets. I think these were £18.50 for models plus paints, but they're now £22.50. I think this is insane on GW's part. A set like this is the ideal way to get someone started, so they really should be making an effort to keep the price low so as not to scare people off - yet they've now bumped the price over £20.
It's not so much that I find this sort of price personally off-putting, it's just that I want GW to be successful because if they do well there's a better chance of them expanding, and designing more fun stuff that I want to buy. However, decisions like this appear bafflingly incompetent. They need to keep entry costs low to hook new customers.
Apparently, in the dying days of 2011, I started a blog-thingy to encourage me to do more hobby stuff.
Did their individual paints increase in price? I thought they were $3.00-$3.50, yet the US site lists them for $3.70?
They've been 3.70 for a while.
Games Workshop doesn’t necessarily need advertisements – they can, and for a long time did, thrive on word-of-mouth from veteran players to newbies.
However, with the ever increasing prices the base of veterans has dwindled steadily. And without the veterans recruiting new players and showing them the ropes, the game is slowly dying.
Told you so... Several years ago, in fact...
In fact, this is one of the few areas where I, to some extent, agree with Games Workshop. Advertising the game doesn’t really matter as much since you need to recruit at least two new players, at the same time and together, in order to make it work. After all, this is a social hobby and without someone to play with, what use is the game?
That’s why I think lowering the cost of the game would help. Games Workshop needs to regain the goodwill it used to have and recruit a new generation of veterans. And none of that is going to happen with the current prices...
And if you had spent the same amount on, say Mantic or WarMachine, you would have gotten much more bang for your buck...I went into my local GW and bought 2 boxes of Greatswords, a Finecast Empire captian the Plastic Nurgle Lord some new Glue and a couple of brushes and spent about 85 pounds. Ive spent about 6 hours today on building them and will spend many more hours painting and playing with them. While I was out I also went to the cinema, then to have dinner with a friend followed by a couple of drinks and a taxi home. That was the same amount of money spent.
GW isnt cheap... Its an indulgence, but Ive never understood why people moan about the prices all the time. If you dont want to pay... dont.
My annoyance comes from seeing a company, and game, that I love being driven straight into the ground.
I started playing back in the early days of second edition 40K and absolutely loved the game. Quickly got hooked on Epic and Fantasy as well. Blood Bowl was an absolute blast. Space Hulk was pure genius. So was Warhammer Quest. And GorkaMorka was a quite funny.
None of those games exists now. The current incarnation of 40K and Fantasy are mere shadows of themselves, the very core of the game play hollowed out and distorted in an endless cycle of greed and ever increasing army sizes. The specialist games are long dead and buried, receiving hardly any support.
The thing is, I really do want to play. I remember, perhaps filtered through rosy lenses, the fun I had in my youth. I would dearly like to find that kind of fun again but, alas, Games Workshop has robbed me of that. All those I used to play with have quit, the club closed its doors years ago due to a lack of members, and, even though I’ve now got a regular job, I’m feeling it increasingly difficult, even outright impossible, to convince myself that it’s worth it.
That’s why I moan. If I can even summon the strength to do so...
Truth be told, these days I’ve all but given up and simply just sigh and shake my head when I see yet another price hike. Apparently, me and Games Workshop parted ways a long time ago...
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40K can be played on a small enough scale to be affordable. IMO, a starter set with (easy-assembly) 10 Tactical Marines, 10 Chaosmarines, mini-rulebook and scenario booklet for £30 would have gone a long way towards drawing in new players who were afraid of start-up costs. As for Fantasy, well, it is expensive nowadays. I miss Battle For Skull Pass when it was £40.
The problem is that while a game like WarMachine has rules that actually work with the starter box (though it only starts to truly shine once you add a bit of infantry), 40K just doesn’t work at that level. The rules simply doesn’t support skirmish level operations.
Furthermore, the cost of expanding a WarMachine starter box to a full, viable army is not nearly as much as that of either 40K or Fantasy.
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And I've never understood why this strange point keeps coming up. "If you don't like it, don't pay, simple" is like reading someone saying they hated the new album from their favourite band because almost every track was lousy, and being told, "If you don't like the songs, just skip them." Being able to get around a problem doesn't make it any less of a problem.GW isnt cheap... Its an indulgence, but Ive never understood why people moan about the prices all the time. If you dont want to pay... dont.
The reason I complain remains the same: GW is the only thing in my life (outside of petrol) which has seen prices rise at this constant absurd rate. It is one of various things I indulge in, but it's the only indulgence which costs me double/triple the price for the exact same thing.
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