Games Workshop Pricing Feedback Thread

[strewart]

I was looking at some of the new Forge World stuff, this is just crazy.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuf...DESTROYER.html

vs

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...d=prod1600062a

The Forge World Rapier Laser Destroyer is about $10 (USD) cheaper than the Finecast Thunderfire cannon...and imo the FW model looks much much better.

Then I see the new Apothecary set from FW. Two excellent Apothecary models for $32. $16 for a single model is still kind of pricey (to me), but they do look really nice. On the other hand GW redid their, very old at this point, Apothecary model in Finecast and are charging $16 for a single pose model.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuf...ECARY_SET.html
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...d=prod1600014a

The difference has to be even MORE pronounced if you are in Australia or Canada. I have no idea what GW is trying to charge Australia for the Thunderfire Cannon, but going by the current exchange rate, I think you can get the Rapier Laser Destroyer for about $47.

Haha yes for a long time now Forgeworld has actually been a cheaper option for Australians in many cases. The Thunderfire Cannon is currently $94 Aus, so the forgeworld option is half the cost. HALF for an apparently superior finer detailed collectors model over the mass produced version. The FW carmine dragon is also cheaper than the vast majority of GW dragon models in Australia even the plastic ones.

I know people have emailed/phoned GW several times asking about prices and discrepencies in the past. Has anyone asked why FW is cheaper for Australians than GW? Would be funny to hear their excuse.

[Gertjan]

You're better off not asking, they just might up the shipping for down under to bring the FW prices in line with their normal AU prices

[Dr Zoidberg]

Yeah, don't bring it to their attention. I've a Krieg army to build! Can't do that on Aussie prices!

[Galfinnan]

There is a £7 price difference between the cannons in the UK and it looks like the the FW one comes with 2 crew and I think is a much nicer miniature. Pretty shocking really. I didn't return the warrior priest I spoke of earlier for the simple reason of distance from the store and time. I don't often journey into the city centre and it will be some time before I do so again. I have resolved that I will open anything else I buy that is finecast in the store before I leave the store. I'm not going to buy them mail order as I don't want to get involved in mail order ping pong. Once the FC Chaplain in terminator armour is released I may journey in and buy that (even at £13) as it is the last figure I need to complete my Deathwing force. I do see quite a lot of these on ebay now and the prices are getting higher, saw a nice enough painted one go for near £40, so it might work out cheaper to buy the FC one.

[Mastodon]

Whats the import taxes for ordering Forgeworld stuff? I know on paper a straight conversion is cheaper, but after shipping and all the import fees is it still the same?

[AlexHolker]

Whats the import taxes for ordering Forgeworld stuff? I know on paper a straight conversion is cheaper, but after shipping and all the import fees is it still the same?

Australia has no import duties on scale miniatures, and only 10% sales tax if you import more than a thousand dollars worth of goods in a year.

[FerociousBeast]

Ha, thanks (I think ). Honestly, I love Warhammer, that's why I'm still here despite all this. I just hate seeing GW screw it over. It's gotten to the point now where I -want- to see them push it past breaking point, so that the backlash losses will either finally convince them to change tactics or allow someone else to take over.

Well put

This has been my thought since about two or three price hikes ago. I've been in a holding pattern with 40k for the past few years, waiting for GW to fail so someone reasonable can buy it and bring prices back down to sustainable levels. (And move Ward back over to the LOTR dept while they're at it.)

[C-Coen]

(And move Ward back over to the LOTR dept while they're at it.)

Oh, there's no need to do that... really, please don't do that to us! We're having a hard enough time already.

[Trasvi]

Australia has no import duties on scale miniatures, and only 10% sales tax if you import more than a thousand dollars worth of goods in a year.

To add to this.... I've imported more than $1000 a few years, but never been slapped with any GST. Perhaps they only pick up on it for businesses or singular orders over $1000?
Shipping from forgeworld is free over 250 pounds, which is easy enough to do on your own - or people here typically get together as a club to order in a bunch of stuff at at time.

[Reinholt]

For laughs...

At a 20% annual price increase, the Space Marine Commander is currently $20 USD. In 10 years, he would cost $124. Given that wages are roughly stagnant but should pick up, I'll assume those grow at 2% annual. In that, the commander goes from being .06% of post-tax income for someone earning $50k per year with a 30% tax rate to .3% of total income. In other words, the numbers really move up in comparison to inflation.

For real laughs, carry it out another 10 years, and you get a $768 space marine commander.

Similar exercises for a $750 army give you the same army costing $4,644 in 10 years, or the far more laughable $28,753 in 20 years.

Whoops. If anyone wants to know why my view has consistently been that while GW is stable right now, they are long-term doomed without a change of business model and strategy, just look at that.

$768 for a single model. $28,753 for an army.

[Ebon]

Just an illustration here. When Third Ed was released (1998), the current multipose tactical Marine squad was released. At the time, a box with a full tactical squad (including flamer and missile launcher) cost £10. Now, the sprue has been recut at least once since then but I have no idea how much that would cost so I'm ignoring it. When adjusted for inflation, that same box of Marines should cost £14.30. Actual cost from GW's website? £23.

I couldn't even start to do a proper comparison for Fantasy since the number of models in a box has been changed so many times but, just as an illustration, "regiment boxes" were released at about the same time which purported to give you a full regiment with metal parts for command models and a movement tray, all for a tenner. Numbers varied between 12 (Chaos Warriors) and twenty (Clanrats). Granted, the current models are much better than the ones back then (the only models from then still in service are TK skellies, IIRC, and some (Clanrats) were just awful) but still, you've gone from sixteen Empire state troops with metal command parts and a movement tray for a tenner to ten troops, no metal or tray for £15.50.

[Melkanador]

Well, one got to see it positive: you can sell your miniatures for more money than you bought them for.

It´s working at least for me as I´m reducing my armies for each system besides BB to 1 (instead 5-6 they used to be).

[Mastodon]

For laughs...

At a 20% annual price increase, the Space Marine Commander is currently $20 USD. In 10 years, he would cost $124. Given that wages are roughly stagnant but should pick up, I'll assume those grow at 2% annual. In that, the commander goes from being .06% of post-tax income for someone earning $50k per year with a 30% tax rate to .3% of total income. In other words, the numbers really move up in comparison to inflation.

For real laughs, carry it out another 10 years, and you get a $768 space marine commander.

Similar exercises for a $750 army give you the same army costing $4,644 in 10 years, or the far more laughable $28,753 in 20 years.

Whoops. If anyone wants to know why my view has consistently been that while GW is stable right now, they are long-term doomed without a change of business model and strategy, just look at that.

$768 for a single model. $28,753 for an army.

Yes because its been confirmed theres a 20% price rise on everything in writing from games workshop right? You certainly wouldnt have made this post based on an unsubstantiated rumour from another thread right?

[AlexHolker]

Granted, the current models are much better than the ones back then (the only models from then still in service are TK skellies, IIRC, and some (Clanrats) were just awful) but still, you've gone from sixteen Empire state troops with metal command parts and a movement tray for a tenner to ten troops, no metal or tray for £15.50.

That one's even worse - they went from 16 Empire State Troops that look decent to 10 Empire State Troops that don't even look completely human.

[ColShaw]

Yes because its been confirmed theres a 20% price rise on everything in writing from games workshop right? You certainly wouldnt have made this post based on an unsubstantiated rumour from another thread right?

I think it's more an example of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

[Lord Dan]

Yes because its been confirmed theres a 20% price rise on everything in writing from games workshop right? You certainly wouldnt have made this post based on an unsubstantiated rumour from another thread right?

Well, he did open his post with "For laughs..." so I'm not sure you should be reading too much into it. Clearly no-one thinks GW will exist as a company if they're charging $700+ for a single man-sized model.

[Ebon]

That one's even worse - they went from 16 Empire State Troops that look decent to 10 Empire State Troops that don't even look completely human.

Not sure I'd go that far. I just dislike the new ones because they're a pain to rank up properly and have so much unnecessary clutter on them (details added just for the sake of putting them there; skulls, hourglasses, etc).

[Bunnahabhain]

I just looked again at GW prices, and the finecast quality issues....

So toady I spent more on gaming then I have done for a year, and spent ~£50. I didn't get a unit or two of GW stuff, I got a whole Army, without QC issues, but with rules support from Spartan games. GW prices have gone well beyond the point that I'm prepared to pay for them. Price rises, falling rules quality, assaults on the background and quality control problems, all of which are self inflicted. The management are either idiots, or are planning to collapse the company.

[AlexHolker]

Not sure I'd go that far. I just dislike the new ones because they're a pain to rank up properly and have so much unnecessary clutter on them (details added just for the sake of putting them there; skulls, hourglasses, etc).

I would. Look at that guy on the right and tell me he's a homo sapiens sapiens.

[Ebon]

I would. Look at that guy on the right and tell me he's a homo sapiens sapiens.

Perhaps home sapiens superior. He reminds me of Beast from the X-Men.