Personally given how much I've loved most of the plastic characters I'm ok with nine pounds, but I have to admit the book prices are really starting to bump up against my value for money barrier.
Personally given how much I've loved most of the plastic characters I'm ok with nine pounds, but I have to admit the book prices are really starting to bump up against my value for money barrier.
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£8 for an individual plastic mini was already outrageous. Yes, I know people used to pay that for metals but that's half the problem, GW charging metal prices for plastic/restic minis.
Really, this just exemplifies the whole problem with GW: Their response to everything is to raise prices. New codex/army book released? Jack the prices up. Converting models from metal to plastic? Jack the prices up. Converting from metal to a vastly inferior material? Jack the prices up. New boxing of old minis? Jack the prices up. New box of less minis? Jack the prices up (on a per-model basis anyway). Anyone remember that scene in Goodfellas where Henry is talking about how unreasonable the mob are and he presents a list of excuses, all of which end with "F you, pay me"? That reminds me a lot of GW's attitude, the belief that we should feel blessed just having the opportunity to give them our money. Granted, GW don't actually kneecap you if you don't buy their products (yet) but it's a similar mindset of entitlement.
I realise that GW is a business and they need to make money to survive but there comes a point where the constant price rises cross over into just plain abusing their customer base.
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Wasn't this Dark Sphere link posted earlier?
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One of the very few things I still buy from GW (and even then from discount sites) includes the army books, as I like to stay current with the rules (the only other things being Black Library, Forge World, and maybe three or four other things a year that are sufficiently cool). That was alright at £15 a book, but £27.50 for a hardback army book - as they all will be from now on - is just flippin' ridiculous.
I can buy an entire game system from other companies for around the same price, asking that much for one army book for Warhammer/40K is... well... words fail me. We all know that the main systems get changed every 4 years and army books re-released every 4-6 years (Tau, Wood Elves and a few other unfortunates excepted); so you're looking at a tax of something like £150-200 per year just to keep up with the rules for both games!!! Even from discount sites! That's without buying any models... and without taking into account I don't even like the new direction the latest rules have been taking!
It's just astonishing. I'd look to eBay instead, but who's going to buy a book for £27.50 and sell it on eBay for £15? No-one, at least not reliably. I still retain enough of a bond with GW to feel uncomfortable saying this, but no more "buying every army book regardless" - it's simply too much, and simply not worth it. Just the ones for the armies I own, from now on, and still no new models. I'm not going to claim they're "forcing" me to download their books as torrents (no-one is "forced" into that, they just choose to do it, knowing that it's not legal) but it starts to look mighty tempting, doesn't it?
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I missed that, thanks. Stormraven is fifty pounds then, glad I already have one for my FSM. Not a whole lot of price rises for Eldar and Dark eldar, what there is is msotly 4%. Not oging to affect me much then.
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One of the worse money for quality product I got from GW are their range of paint brushes. I acquired from their mail order a whole bunch of brushes and they were without a doubt the worse brushes I have ever paid for for their price range. Trust me when I say that they are not terrible brushes but no way would I had paid for these if I went to an outlet and saw them first hand.
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An extra twenty quid for the SM and CSM battleforces? Are they ***** insane? I mean, they've already dumped the idea that the battleforces should all be the same price but whacking an extra twenty on those is just loony.
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That's a frightening trend. I bought the O&G book when it was released for 26€, around 20 pounds, I think. Now they cost more than that in pounds and the purchase was only a year ago!
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£27.50 for an army book? £9 for a plastic, man-sized model? GW is going out in a blaze of glory!
I've been an apologist of GW in the past but even I think some of the price rises are obscene!
That said, is 9 quid for a character figure that bad? Nobody in their right mind pays the sticker price - Dark Sphere sell them at 75% of RRP - that's £6.75. Tax man takes 20% of that so you're really paying £5.40 for it. If the retailer is making say 5% profit, which you can't begrudge them, then GW is only really selling them for a fiver - which doesn't seem that bad to me.
I still can't justify their other prices - some are just unbelievable! The terrain prices have shot up - which is a shame because I buy more of this than anything else - GW being the best value option (in my opinion). I guess no longer though - anyone recommend similar (quality and pre-rise value) terrain from an alternative manufacturer?
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Looking at the spreadsheet it does look like last years - Blackreach is currently £61.50 and so can't be going up to that from £56(ish).
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Yes, it is that bad. Three reasons: A) it is not my job as a customer to find excuses to cover for GW's prices. I daresay that, if I were dedicated enough, I could come up with some justification for the switch to Failcash (as GW has offered) but that's not going to change the fact that the switch was made due to sheer greed. B) The actual cost of producing the mini is pennies. No, I don't begrudge giftsforgeeks taking 5% or so profit but if GW is charging them a fiver, they're making at least four pounds of pure profit. C) This is a single mini made in plastic. The unit champion from the current Empire state troops box costs (at the current price on GW's website) roughly £1.55 but a mini of similar size, made in the exact same material and packaged on it's own costs £9? That's not defendable. That's just blatantly ripping customers off.
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I agree about finecast - I've had nothing but disasters with that stuff! The cost of those kits, for the sheer lack of quality is a pure rip-off!
I guess value for money is subjective, and perhaps my barrier is set a bit higher. That said, I have a monthly budget and the price rises will simply mean I buy less, but spend the same. Although I find more of my purchases being via ebay which can't help GW.
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I have to say that I really enjoyed the plastic characters I bought because I find they are magnificently designed.
I still think that yes, it is that bad.
Exemplum gratum, I got a newsletter from Black Scorpion Miniatures earlier informing me that they had their new releases up. That same 9 quid will buy me 4-5 finely detailed individual high-quality resin miniatures from Black Scorpion. And I'm fairly sure the taxman pays them a visit as well.
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Just looking at their website now - and yes, some very nice stuff there. I just might have to buys me some !
On the other hand, however, I bought the Asharah figure from Raging Heroes and it cost me over a tenner (It's lovely though!).
I don't doubt we are being over charged for the single figures from GW - look at the chapel kit, which is available at sub 12 quid (pre-rise) - you get vastly more plastic for not an awful lot more money.
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Of course, you're not just paying the cost of the materials, models need to be manufactured, as all as designed.
Nonetheless its quite expensive but value for money is highly subjective- it still falls in that bracket for me and I have zero interest in other systems
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Sure but the same holds true for the Empire state troops champion I used as a comparison.
Fair enough, value for money is going to be somewhat subjective but the posts here (and remember, for every poster, there's probably a hundred GW customers with the same opinion who don't post) indicate that it's not a fringe opinion.Nonetheless its quite expensive but value for money is highly subjective- it still falls in that bracket for me and I have zero interest in other systems
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How dare you people say £8-10 for a plastic model is bad, look at the huge price these companies charge.
http://www.frontrank.com/lev4_2_2_7_...ls_&_Staff.asp
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/prod...oducts_id=1395
http://store.warlordgames.com/roman-aquilifer-617-p.asp
http://www.victrixlimited.com/online...roducts_id=175
Wait a second...they look less than £9...must be a site error.
This post makes me wish I had an interest in historical minis.
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On a positive though expensive I will say the plastics are beautiful models, especially the wight king.
But the prices for historicals means I can still wargame and for the price if most 10 man plastic boxes I can get .24-30 metals, or 60 plastics.......that's blinking crazy.
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