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For £100 you could get a rulebook, a starter set, some extra minis and the needed painting supplies for any number of games (Malifaux, Infinity, Freebooter's Fate, Dystopian Wars, Uncharted Seas, Eden, Cutlass...).
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A game for £100?, easy
Prussian army box + black powder £98
That was easy.
Hobbies in general, walking, cycling, train spotting, plane spotting, bird spotting, or are we assuming a modern hobby must be something else?.
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Anyways, those cheaper options don't really exist for Warhammer. Most stuff on ebay either goes for the same price or more than I can get it from an independent retailer, occasionally a job lot will go for a pretty descent discount... but then you are paying for models that have often been poorly posed and put together. I would say that if you got everything for your army using the previous methods you will save roughly 25% off the GW list price, which totalwargamer have been running at weekends for months on end now.
Certainly:Perhaps you could name a few modern hobbies which can be started reasonably within the £100 bracket. I can't, so I obviously have expensive hobbies ^^.
Sea Fishing you can get all the gear you need to experience pretty much 100% of the hobby (IMHO) for under £100, you can also do inland fishing for under £100 but need a license. Starter kits can be picked up for £50 and they really DO have everything you need to start and carry on for years bar breakage.
Football (we'll use this as a catch all for the many sports you can do with bare minimum outlay... hell you can pick up a half descent mountain-bike for £100 second hand if your half lucky)
Playing guitar or any number of other instruments, a second hand starter drum kit or base can easily be got for a ton.
I'm only in brighton Only really just getting started back into the hobby though, gonna check out the Brighton warlords club soon enough.I am having the same problem at the moment trying to get my mates to convert from 40k! I share your lament! Shame you don't live local! ^^
Anyways, it "shouldn't" be a hard sell to these guys. These are people who enjoy a bit of MTG, regularly sit down for a game of talisman and used to play 40k (mixed between them), but they all think that the prices are a joke currently for a lot of stuff, with raises? Hmmmmmm
For £100 you cannot realistically start this game at all
Lets go with WFB
Lets assume you don't want to play either high elves or skaven (a fair assumption), you are shopping at discount retailers and you have a place to play with a table and scenery, so you have to buy:
One hardback rulebook £40
One armybook £20
One battalion box set (best bang for your buck for filling out the core of your army) £60
Now we are already over budget and really we've only just got started
2 Character models one caster one hero £20
Couple of bits from your special £50
Something from rare £30
Ok, yay we have an army.. except it is really quite small and you can't change much (this is also assuming you know enough about the game to be able to select and design this starter force which isn't a given and lack of knowledge can be.. pricey), but it is an actual playable and proper start to the game except...
Paints, clippers, glue etc...
OK, so lets say you buy a citadel hobby starter set so..
But that doesn't have all the paints you need to get started so another
£10 sundry paints, glazes and washes
Oh and you can't play without movement trays
So £270 pounds for what I would consider is realistically the barest start to this game for one person, double expenditure for a couple of mates to start the game together BEFORE prices go up.
When it costs more for ten plastic guys that you put together yourself off sprues then it does for a DVD player, then somebody is taking the piss.
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This is a games workshop pricing thread, so if your point was other manufacturers of similar games (albeit with a much, much lower model count) are able to place there product at a pricing point that allows a sub £100 startup cost, then point well made. This doesn't lend support to GW policy however, quite the opposite. It doesn't totally compare though as I said; much lower model count.
It comes to something when it cost me less for the gear that keeps me safe, snug and warm + breathing 30m under the surface of the ocean in freezing temperatures.
You can also look at smaller scales. £100 in 15 mm gets you a whole heck of a lot, and modern 15 mm miniatures are actually very nicely detailed. A friend of mine has started doing what he calls HO-Hammer. Basically a few years back he got so annoyed with GW he sold off his armies (1 Fantasy and 2 40K armies). He then replaced them with 15 mm figures and has complete armies (meaning every option) for every fantasy army and is about half done with the 40K armies. So far he is still working off the money he managed to make off from selling his old GW stuff. Although on the face of it it might seem limiting since you may not find another gamer in the same scale - but when you can afford to buy two whole armies for the price of a GW rulebook...then it is much easier to get someone else to join in. Heck, £100 will get you 4 or 5 Mighty Armies army boxes.
Like you say, it'd cut me off from the gaming scene.You can also look at smaller scales. £100 in 15 mm gets you a whole heck of a lot, and modern 15 mm miniatures are actually very nicely detailed. A friend of mine has started doing what he calls HO-Hammer. Basically a few years back he got so annoyed with GW he sold off his armies (1 Fantasy and 2 40K armies). He then replaced them with 15 mm figures and has complete armies (meaning every option) for every fantasy army and is about half done with the 40K armies. So far he is still working off the money he managed to make off from selling his old GW stuff. Although on the face of it it might seem limiting since you may not find another gamer in the same scale - but when you can afford to buy two whole armies for the price of a GW rulebook...then it is much easier to get someone else to join in. Heck, £100 will get you 4 or 5 Mighty Armies army boxes.
Personally I think GW need to watch it, 3D printers are becoming more accessible and people remember.
All of these 'Its too expensive to start' posts are interesting to me since I've had a massive upswing in secondary school age kids starting this year. As some of you know I run my own independent shop in the UK, and my prices are roughly the same as GW. I just round down the £1.50's etc, so a starter bundle in my shop is about £3 cheaper than the shop 10 miles away.
Just today, I had a father, mother and son come in. Mum immediately walks up to me and says he's interested in starting Space Wolves, and that they've looked on the internet and were thinking about a battleforce, then just asked me what else he needed to play with the school club. (Another side note, I've had at least 4 kids in from the same school, that teacher is doing a fine job for my figure sheets.)
They left with the codex, a hobby starter set, battleforce, case and enough extra paint to do the sand scheme. Total cost £150+ and Mum didnt bat an eyelid. To be honest I probably could have got them to leave with more.
What was also interesting was that Mum and Dad were very in favour of doing this since 'It gets him off that bloody xbox'. I dont know if theres a bit of cultural shift between America and the UK, but its certainly something I've noticed more and more. Something to 'get them off world of warcraft' or 'off facebook'.
I've also posted about the pocket money thing before, but in my experience these kids are just bought something once a week/fortnight. I regularly get kids dropping £50 because gran had come to visit too.
Price rise is tonight, isn't it?
EDIT: Yeah I see your point about GW being cheaper than some hobbies, my mountain bike gear has cost me more than any of my GW armies and my motorbike easily cost more than everything I have bought from GW in the last 5+ years.
I thought the Dark Elder flier was aud$84?
Oh Wayland, please hurry up with ROW!
Back when that Sonic game was first made, some of their costs were lower, some higher, with likely a net effect of being lower overall, but they were selling a fraction of the number of units they could push out today. When you take all the factors into account, this idea that the games industry are suffering under the economic lash is entirely fictional, they make as much profit as they ever have, perhaps more, and while he PR department might trot out "high production costs" as an excuse for releasing "Sonic 12 - The Sonic-ening" and simultaneously canning an innovative new IP, the reality is that the people who own the gaming companies are what's changed, and the types of professional financiers who sit on the boards these days can't see beyond the next quarterly review.
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Boomerlinski: just a quick point, I play football (soccer) for 2 teams with a cost of about £12 per week plus travel. Then you have to add on specialist kit (im a keeper) that needs replacing semi-regularly. Football isn't a cheap hobby for me- and in fact I dare say most hobbies where you take things a bit seriously can actually cost in the region if a gw game, whether the cost is hire, replacing gear, start up costs or a mixture.
Ultimately its entirely subjective as to whether any hobby is worth the expense.
Just a final, more general, point on kids playing 40k- whenever I see kids playing its with a few hundred points, rather than full 1500+ point armies, just like I did back in 2nd ed. I rather think our views of start up costs are prejudiced by what we know of the game and what we consider to be a 'functional' game size- not constraints that apply to everyone (I actually really enjoy smaller games for what its worth- its a different beast to my normal tourney style)
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The costs I originally listed were for starting WFB and assembling and painting a small 1250 point force with little variation, the football equivalent of having a kick around most Sundays in a pair of cheap shorts and some cheap astro turf boots.
Now if I was to parallel your example across you would have two armies of 4k points worth and a whole stock of modelling supplies. Oh and your main army would be wood elves.. after all you play keeper
If you really want to compare like for like, you'd compare GW to other wargaming systems.
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