Which is, in this case, anyone who has been playing for more than a year. This isn't terribly surprising, as I'd guess GW forgets about customers after the 3-month mark.Originally Posted by Darnok
Which is, in this case, anyone who has been playing for more than a year. This isn't terribly surprising, as I'd guess GW forgets about customers after the 3-month mark.
Y'know, I think we may have hit on something here. Make the FC Witch Elves SO expensive that then they can advertise the plastic Witch Elves as being "only" Goldsword prices. It's brilliant!
"Ember of Dreams"
http://www.amazon.com/Ember-Dreams-C...0408773&sr=1-1
I imagine by the time the placcy WEs come out the Goldsword prices will have gone up. A little suprised they didn't in this years price rises, but even insanity has it's (annual) limits I suppose.
Member of J.A.D.E.DTrying to convince Warseer that GW are anything less than perfect is like trying to teach a horde of zombies that lettuce is a perfectly acceptable alternative to brains.
Lest we forget
You guys only just noticed this? I think its also a case of not expecting much return from them, still, might be better to just leave them along until the get redone in plastic..
Last edited by logan054; 12-06-2012 at 23:10.
Didn't they increase them to the next full Euro? They're 33€ now, from 32,50. Could be a Euro zone thing, though.
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Plastic witch elves/black guard/executioners are needed. Despite being a Finecast fanboy there's no way I'm buying those units in Finecast. This is why I'm doing two armies right now. I know I'll end up hitting bottlenecks in the existence of plastic models. Despite hating metal I'd sooner eBay some metal regiments then spend that much.n
Interesting - I don't think the £ price changed, I expect GW are getting ready for the euro collapse
EDIT: When did fagellents go to £16? Weren't they at £15.50 recently?
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Lest we forget
In Australia we pay GW retail $110AUD for a Landraider....
If i were to use a dispel scroll on GW's anti-trade-to-Australia policy and buy from waylands online UK discount store,
get it sent to my sisters place in the UK and get her to forward it on to me it would cost $58AUD with ALL shipping inc.
GWHQ might as well spit in Australian and NZ wargamers faces.
I don't think anyone outside Australia or New Zealand should be complaining about normal GW prices or any price rises at all.
Just because your prices are really bad doesn't mean ours aren't bad as well, and certainly shouldn't mean that you get the monopoly on complaining about it.
Yeah, prices have still doubled and more than doubled on most things for the rest of the world the last 2-3 years. Just because one person got charged 2 arms and a leg, doesn't mean the guy charged an arm and a leg doesn't get to complain.
Can you find some specific examples of things which have 'more than doubled' EDIT: In the last 2-3 years? When I first started playing (2002) my army was High Elves and I purchased them at $40 AUD for a plastic core box. Now they're at $55...
In fact now that everything is in plastic, all the special/rare units cost the same or less than they did 10 years ago in metal.
I think the worst offenders would be some of the kits that have gone to boxes of 10 down from 16/19/20, but I still think that 'more than doubled' is an overstatement, especially as applied to the majority of the range.
Last edited by Trasvi; 13-06-2012 at 05:20.
Mate, we've got multiple hotels on Mayfair.
You don't realise how many people in Australia and NZ buy from the US or UK?
Why buy from the US or UK?
Is $74.25USD compared to $110AUD for a Landraider justifiable when the US/AUD exchange rates are less than $0.01 difference?
Yes, your prices are absolutely terrible...
Still its comforting knowing that at the very least, 1,263 Aussies and Kiwis that have managed to find this group feel exactly the same way. https://www.facebook.com/groups/109577025797447/
Some repacked regiments have had hefty price increases, in WHF, 40K and LotR. I'll leave the exact numbers for others to dig up, as I currently can't be bothered.
For the "more than doubled" category you just have to look at some of the finecasted character models. The Empire range has some examples, but my current favourites are the Lizardmen. The Skinkshaman with feather-cloak is €13 now, and was €5,45 at its release in 2005. +139%. This single Chameleonskink is now available at €10,50, and you could get him for €3,50 in 2005. +200%.
These are extreme examples, but they are not that rare.
As you brought up 2002 as the year you started Warhammer I'll use the June issue (lovely edition, might I add) of White Dwarf from that year as a shopping guide:
2002 New Hordes of Chaos Army Book - $19.99
2012 All New Army Books - $45.50
2002 Necron Flayed Ones - $6.99 for two ($3.50 per model)
2012 Necron Flayed Ones - $45.00 for five ($9 per model)
2002 Warhammer Fantasy Rulebook - $30
2012 Warhammer Fantasy Rulebook - $74.25
2002 Codex: Space Marines - $15
2012 Codex: Space Marines - $41.25
2002 LOTR Starter Set - $39.00
2012 LOTR Starter Set - $82.50
2002 White Dwarf - $4.99
2012 White Dwarf - $10.00
Honorable Mentions (didn't quite make 50%)
2002 Regiment Boxes - $25 for 20 models
2012 Unit boxes - $24.75 for 10 models
2002 Skaven Gutter Runners - $5.99 for two ($3 per model)
2012 Skaven Gutter Runners - $15 for three ($5 per model-same sculpts)
You just said you don't even pay the Australian prices, so why are we supposed to feel sorry for you? You wouldn't have a right to say we can't complain if you were paying AUS prices, and you certainly don't if you're not.
Wow. Didn't realise it was quite that bad.
However I did mean to write in my post "in the last 2-3 years" (as a reply to shimmergloom's claim). Whilst a number of finecast elite infantry and finecast characters might have made the list, again I doubt that it is the entire range, or even a majority.
We can only get plastic kits and a small portion of finecast from overseas.
Because the amount of times I've been in a GW store and heard new genuinely interested people being talked up by gw staff then see or hear the price tag of the 40K and Fantasy Starter Box of $165! then theres glue, paints. and everything else.
GW are killing this hobby in Australia.
heres a part of an activist member in australia on his blog
Though I don't go in for Company Bashing, I got very close last May, when it seemed like The Company was doing everything in their power to squeeze more money out of their Hobbyists (heck, at one point I was planning a revolution). On May 18th of last year, at the height of the Internet furor over price hikes, Finecast (and its further price hikes), and the restriction of UK-based, world-wide online retailers, Games Workshop CEO Mark Wells sent out a letter to hobbyists. If you missed it, the full letter can be viewed on Beasts of War.
There are many things I could take issue with in this letter, but the greatest and most glaring of them is the following, taken verbatim from the letter that Mark Wells, CEO of Games Workshop, sent out to a hobbyist:
...the simple fact is that European internet traders will not invest any money in growing the hobby in your country.For all my lack of Games Workshop bashing, that was a statement that rankled me. Though there may well be some free-riding internet retailers, there are also SCADS more internet retailers who support themselves by selling models so that they can spend the rest of their days writing hobby articles or creating cool conversions for other hobbyists to use. Some of these online retailers who invest a goodly portion of their time into growing the hobby online took the statement as what it was: a direct slap in the face...
Their model is to minimise their costs and free-ride on the investment of Games Workshop and local independent shops in creating a customer base.
and the whole blog can be found here. http://natfka.blogspot.com.au/2012/0...obby.html#more
The CEO of GW could not care less about australians or new Zealanders.
SlippyFist I agree with all of your points. I do not, however, feel that GW's atrocious pricing down under in any way mitigates the atrocious pricing elsewhere in the world. To paraphrase Shimmergloom, above: just because you're paying two arms and a leg doesn't mean those paying 1 arm and a leg don't get to complain.
I've been done with buying anything significant from GW since the trade embargo thingy to Australia happened. I still buy army books and the occasional model but I haven't started any new projects.
However even army books are getting too expensive, I bought the Empire book about two weeks ago when I went to buy some paints, without looking at the price and it rang up at 70 AU, when I had a bit of sticker shock the employee launched into a hardback full colour shilling of epic proportions. I'm pretty sure it was $5 more than the VC book I bought earlier in the year, not to mention $35 more then the old style books used to be.
I still picked the book up but I don't know if ill be buying any others (probably the Chaos book because its my primary army, and lets bet its closer to $80, I remember the 7th chaos book being 42 at release compared to 35-38 for the other books)
I am not wealthy, but I'm doing OK but I think I just reached my price barrier. 70 is an amount I have to think about, 70 might impact my other entertainment purchases and as its the one hobby I now enjoy in isolation it is at the bottom of my entertainment priority list. 70 is a good dinner with friends or a date with the GF or a day one release video game that I can play online against my friends or a pretty good night at the pub.
I can no longer play with my friends as they were never hard core (they bought one or two things a year generally) and they dropped out due to the cost, in addition there are less and less WHFB tourneys in my area (from about 7 a year to around 3) due to 8th and the embargo and now that I can buy a shrink wrapped three month old AAA video game with free shipping for less than a single human sized mini I have almost no reason to put paint on plastic.
I think I'm completely done now after chaos no more books or paints, I'm really sad about it as I've been playing for 21 years but I can no longer justify it.
Last edited by ninnanuam; 13-06-2012 at 05:48.
I've said time and again: this is a fallacious argument due to the vast disparity in average wages between the countries involved. In Australia, we get paid (on average) 50% more than people in the states.
Prices in the US as a % of average wage are very close to AUS prices as a % of average wage.
Imagine we wind back the exchange rates to the point they were at 10 years ago, where 1 AUD bought only 0.5 USD. Then it would be people in the US claiming that Aussies had it so good, so cheap, and be ordering from Australia.
Only it wasn't a big issue back then, as a) purchasing from the internet wasn't mainstream, and b) prices weren't high enough to make people want to look elsewhere.
I think the only thing that we can take from this is that regional pricing is not efficient or effective when customers are aware of what other regions are paying and are easily able to access those other regions. It just especially hurts given that in recent memory, access to those other regions was possible.
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