Well the LotR plastics have gone from 24 models for £18 (?) to 12 for £15 so that's a straight 67% - in less than one year and the repackaged orc boyz went from 20 models to 10 for a price reduction of 50p, so about a 90% increase there.Originally Posted by Trasvi
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Ok i'll admit defeat. :/
if people want to complain about whatever price they're paying, wherever they are.... theres not really much that can stop that.
The reason this rattled my cage is theres so much more GW could do to boost sales in Aus. but we're having to face facts here numbers of gamers aren't climbing here and its due to the prices.
This is my 10th year in the hobby and I totaly agree with everything ninnanuam has just said.but I just don't want to admit to myself that if prices keep going up, i won't be able to stay in the hobby anymore.
Me and my mates have allready started thinking of switching over to mantic purely for the price, or just doing mordheim but I don't want to stop fantasy and 40k. Therefore i have to and pretty much all the gamers i know buy a majority of an army overseas.
for instance on ebay from the states, you can get 4 boxes of Dark eldar wyches and 4 raiders for around $250AUD,
At local GW retail price that would equate to $440AUD.
pretty soon they'll put a stop to trading between US and AUS....
You do realise that the two points in bold are not mutually exclusive? You can still play Warhammer (and to some extent 40K) using non-GW miniatures.
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To an extent yeah, but it rules out ever playing at GW stores (my friend was told he had to stop his game immediately because he was using LOTR wargs as SW fenrisian wolves before they released them).
and most tournaments I've been to are WYSIWYG regarding to 40k... but yeah only a few certain models were opposed in fantasy tourneys.
Well, I have great sympathy for the non-european gamer, but if you're playing at a GW shop, then I am afraid you'll just have to suck it up and pay the prices. The only two solutions are either make your own gaming area in your own (or a friends) house, or find a non-dogmatic gaming club.
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Army books about 3 years ago were $22 for say empire or O&G. Now they are $45.50. So yes that is greater than a 100% increase.Can you find some specific examples of things which have 'more than doubled' EDIT: In the last 2-3 years? When I first started playing (2002) my army was High Elves and I purchased them at $40 AUD for a plastic core box. Now they're at $55...
In fact now that everything is in plastic, all the special/rare units cost the same or less than they did 10 years ago in metal.
I think the worst offenders would be some of the kits that have gone to boxes of 10 down from 16/19/20, but I still think that 'more than doubled' is an overstatement, especially as applied to the majority of the range.
And units don't cost cheaper now in plastic than they use to in metal. Black orcs for instance were $35 for 10 when I first bought them in 2005 and then went up to $40 that summer in the first of the now infamous yearly price rises that I can remember. Now they are $41.25 for 10 plastics. An 18% increase in price and a far cheaper material. Same with Bestigors or Greatswords, or Temple guard, etc.
And don't even mention things like witch elves which went from $35 for 10 to $66 for 10 finecast. An 88.5% increase.
Even giants were just as much in plastic as they were in metal almost immediately upon release. From $50 in metal to $45 in plastic the very next day. And now they are $53.75.
For every savings from going from metal to plastic, there are fare more increases in price. And even those savings have disappeared after numerous price increases and many of the savings are only because GW raised the prices so much beforehand that you are tricked into thinking you have saved money. Just like in 1-2 years people will be tricked into thinking plastic black guard or witch elves are a 'great' savings at $50 for boxes of 10, because they had raised the finecast/metal prices up so much beforehand. I expect finecast to be $35 for 5 by the time the plastics come out, so people will be tricked into thinking they are getting a massive $20 per unit savings. Just like people are tricked now into thinking that $52 is a great bargain for 3 finecast kroxigors.
To be honest I've been buying GW products on and off for 23 years and i remeber when the skeleton army box set had 8 horse men a chariot and 30 infantry for 10 pounds. This was my first army when I was 13 the whole army cost me 23 pounds with lead hero figures 5 for 3 pounds blister pack. In comparison back then a can of coke was 20p from a vending machine, now with inflation its about 1 pound a 5x price rise. so by that logic the same army would have cost me 115 pounds. Now I would think that if you could get a similar army these days for 115 pounds that would be fine but I think with the exception of buying island of blood a few times you would really struggle. About the only thing that has gone up within inflation is the GW books my first hard back rogue trader book cost me £15-£20 which was a lot back then now the new 6th will be around £50 not that bad a rise for 22 years of inflation.
Actually, going with an average rate of inflation of 2.5% per anno, things should be 1.76 times as expensive as they have been 23 years ago, not five times.
EDIT: I found this link in another thread:
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/educa...h/default.aspx
And to my surprise the inflation in England seems to have been higher than the 2.5% I suggested. The BoE states that inflation over the last 23 was an average of 3.4%, which means things should be 2.2 times as expensive. Still a far cry from five times, though.
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Don't forget to deduct things like VAT and what not in order to find the actual sales price before determining the inflation adjusted price.
With that in mind - it isn't too bad in the Eurozone countries (not great...but not nearly as bad as a lot of other countries). However, with the idea of not as bad as other countries - well, we get charged extra just to keep the prices closer in line to the price + VAT which is payed over there...I guess on an issue of fairness (well, more on an issue to stifle global trade, but I presume on an issue of fairness being the public reasoning).
all I know is undead wise you got about 5 times as much stuff for half the price of a box of ten skeletons today
The average rate of UK inflation since 1993 has been approximately 2%.
The average rate of GW price rise in the same period (on products still available) is 6%, with things ranging from very small increases to more than triple the price of their original release.
So no, sorry, the arguments of "It's not -that- bad" or "It's just inflation" don't hold any water with me.
When did GW release something? Was it plastic or metal? Who sculpted it? Come find out:Fantasy, 40K, LOTR, BFG, Blood Bowl, Epic, Inquisitor, Man O' War, Mordheim, Necromunda & Warmaster
I did a similar comparison a while back between assembling a Marine company with Rhinos in plastic from the Rogue Trader plastics and now (Just tactical Marine squads to keep things reasonably simple), after factoring in for inflation the modern plastics come out a bit over twice as expensive and using Rogue Trader boxes you still ended up with 20 Marines and 2 Rhinos spare.
Whilst you can argue that the modern multipart plastics are much better than the RTB01 Beakies and, nostalgia aside that'd be perfectly true, I'd counter that however by saying that the RTB01 Marines were perfectly decent sculpts for their time and, like modern GW plastics as good as if not better than what a lot of other people were putting out in metal so it's not unreasonable to say that considering the constraints of the time the quality of the older plastics in comparison to what else was out there is roughly comparable to now so I'd expect the pricing to be about comparable, instead it more than doubled.
According to the BoE inflation calculator it was 2.8%....
....but the difference is still easily wide enough that this is still completely accurate. For me it is less the inflation from 1993 that is the problem, but the inflation since 2001 - 20 Empire state troops for £10, now, just over a decade later, 10 state troops for £15.50, over 300% price rise.
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I still think we should raid the GW warehouses in Memphis and throw their stuff in the Mississippi in protest of charging us VAT prices without actually collecting the Tax...maybe we could all dress up as Space Marines when we do it as well...
Empire Engineer on Mechanical Steed: Last year was $20, this year its $40. For one model.
Yah....well....can you find 3 or more examples from one line which 'more than tripled'...in the last 6 months?
Yah....well....can you find 3 or more examples from one line which 'more than tripled'...in the last 6 months?
Blood Knights.
Can anyone imagine the PR disaster GW would have on their hands if they only had a pre-order, white dwarf selling party on the 23rd for 40k? After all the hype you only get to ORDER a book, not even walk out of the store with one. That spells disaster in any language.
Hype? I must have missed that.
There was the youtube video (which I have not bothered to watch) but apart from that I haven't seen any. I'm actually interested to see what sort of turn out they get on the 23rd with less than a month of publicity.
Blood Knights debuted at $75 (USD) if I remember right and are now $99. If I can divide $99 by 3 and get 3 sets of $75, I'm stopping in at the bank over lunch.
...and a little help comes in a little glass vial in a gun pressed against her anatomy...
You can always file off your nipples, it's easily done.
It will be interesting to see how much the new starter set and book for 40k will be...
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Also profanity from your opponents can be a good sign too.
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