Games Workshop Pricing Feedback Thread

[f2k]

Except that outside of the main rule books for Warmachine & Hoardes you don't need to buy/own the faction books. With Flames of War you only need the Expansion book for the period you want to play in. Privateer Press & Battlefront also release cheeper soft back copies of their books as well.

So how is having the option of buying an optional book in hard cover or soft cover comparable to needing to buy an essential book (to play the army) that is only available in hard cover. Hey at least gwPLC have finaly started releasing their books in full colour (8-10 years after everyone else).

In WarMachine and Hordes you would be a fool for not buying, at least, your own faction book as that contains the full list. If you want to be competitive you should probably also buy and memorize all the other faction books (although it might be argued that, to a certain degree, this goes for all games). And you need to buy the expansions as well if you want to keep up to date...

In Flames of War you need the big hardback rulebook as well as one of the other books. But, in truth, if you want to be able to play you'll probably need most of them. In my area, at least, players are rotating through the various periods and theatres at a frightening pace...

For WarMachine you could get away with the cheaper softcover books, yes. For Flames of War, no. The full rulebook as well as the major period-books are hardback only with smaller softcovers filling the gaps...

For Fantasy you need the big hardback rulebook and a hardback army book. So how's that different?

[Commissar Vaughn]

With FOW you dont actually need any of the theatre books, just the rule book, as theres enough free lists that can be downloaded around.

However your point is valid: anyone who wants to buy any of them will probably end up with all of them due to being rabid ww2 history nuts . Personally I stick to mid war North Africa, with a dabbling in early war, but most of our group seems interested in mid to late war, all theatres and at least one is a looney who seems intent on collecting every possible army from every possible theatre and period...

I think that its not so much an indicator that these hobbies can be expensive, or require a large initial outlay..more that wargamers seem to have more money than sense where little toy soldiers are concerned!

[f2k]

With FOW you dont actually need any of the theatre books, just the rule book, as theres enough free lists that can be downloaded around.

True. Battlefront even have official briefings in PDF on their website. But, it should be noted, these are all rather limited in scope...

However your point is valid: anyone who wants to buy any of them will probably end up with all of them due to being rabid ww2 history nuts . Personally I stick to mid war North Africa, with a dabbling in early war, but most of our group seems interested in mid to late war, all theatres and at least one is a looney who seems intent on collecting every possible army from every possible theatre and period...

Been there, done that...

For a very long time I would buy every White Dwarf, rulebook, expansion, codex, and army book that Games Workshop released. But that’s a long time ago...

I was slowly collecting all the books for Flames of War. But since that game seems to have died a sudden death around here. Bought the Hellfire and Back book though. I’m a turtle-player at heart and the new fortification lists piqued my interest...

I had all the books to the first edition of WarMachine and Hordes. But I’ve all but given up on the second edition. Partly because that game too seems dead around here and partly because, having recently been made redundant at work, money are a bit of an issue...

I think that its not so much an indicator that these hobbies can be expensive, or require a large initial outlay..more that wargamers seem to have more money than sense where little toy soldiers are concerned!

True. However. I do think that Games Workshop is rapidly approaching (and have possibly even passed) the point where even the most die-hard fan is finding it hard to justify the expense.

[Shimmergloom]

Is the ogre book really going to be $56 US?

wtf?

[EmperorNorton]

No, it isn't.
So far we only know the prices in € (assuming they are indeed correct) and somebody has used the current exchance rate to add the prices in £ and $.
The actual price will probably be in line with the current price for the new armybooks.

It's really nice to see the reaction to the € prices, though.

[Shimmergloom]

ah ok. I know GW has no sense, but a futher $14+ price rise after an already 12+ price rise in the switch to hardcover(books were $25 back then) followed by a $4+ price raise, would be crazy even for them.

I wouldn't put it past them. It just would be more crazy than what I expect.

[Hellebore]

Is the ogre book really going to be $56 US?

wtf?

If they don't put the price up it will be $62 AUD... that's how much core rule books used to cost.

Hellebore

[Reflex]

If they don't put the price up it will be $62 AUD... that's how much core rule books used to cost.

Hellebore

I thought they were expspensive then! Id hate to think what past me would think of the hobby now. I think Past me thanks Present me for not buying anything anymore. My wallet cant take the beating.

[Okuto]

what wheres the source for a 56 US dollar army book?!

[shelfunit.]

I think it's just euro prices being directly converted - I (hope) expect the Ogre book to be in line pricewise with the TK book.

[paddyalexander]

In WarMachine and Hordes you would be a fool for not buying, at least, your own faction book as that contains the full list. If you want to be competitive you should probably also buy and memorize all the other faction books (although it might be argued that, to a certain degree, this goes for all games). And you need to buy the expansions as well if you want to keep up to date...

Why would you need the books for the full list when there are FREE army list builders available on the internet & for smart phones. If you want all the rules you can buy the faction card decks. If you want to know the rules of your opponents models you can ask to look at his cards at anytime durring a game. The new rules from Wrath were released in No Quarter magazine as well as the full rules for most of the models. And even if you want to buy all the books because you feel you need them to be competitive, they are available in both hard cover & soft cover. I own all of the books because I think they are beautifull and the progressing background stories are enjoyable.

In Flames of War you need the big hardback rulebook as well as one of the other books. But, in truth, if you want to be able to play you'll probably need most of them. In my area, at least, players are rotating through the various periods and theatres at a frightening pace...

For WarMachine you could get away with the cheaper softcover books, yes. For Flames of War, no. The full rulebook as well as the major period-books are hardback only with smaller softcovers filling the gaps...

For Fantasy you need the big hardback rulebook and a hardback army book. So how's that different?

The army book for FoW is available in hardback, softback & in mini-book form from a starter set that costs just a little more than the Hardback book. And all of the expension books are available in both hard & softback to the best of my knowlage, all the ones I've picked up had the option. Saying you need all of the expansions to play the game is like saying you need all of the 40k codecies or WHFB army books to play the game.

The difference here is that all the extras that you've mentioned are optional. In FoW & Warmachine you don't need to own every expansion or armybook to play the game. Warmachine & Hoardes only needs the rule book & the expansion if you want to use Battle Engines or the Merc officers (if you didn't pick up the NQs that had the rules for those new unit types in them).

The point I was trying to make is that other companies that release Hardback rule & army books also release cheeper softback versions. You want to play FoW?, all it takes is two softback books. Warmachine, Hoardes, Malifaux, Infinity, Dystopian Wars, Uncharted Seas & Firestorm Armada is one softback book.

The difference is that gwPLC are moving towards hardback books only with no option to buy a softcover version.

[Dragonblade]

I recently went into a GW store to buy a box of cadians. To my dismay, the manager was repricing all the old stock, and i noticed that i would now be paying £18, instead of the old £15.50. The manager just insists it's just buisness and i ended up buying the cadians, much to my angered fathers pleads.
I recently noticed a post in a thread moaning about the price of cadians, from august 2009, i checked the date with a white dwarf and yup, they were £12...

so does anyone know how much did they used to be before £12 then?

[Tymell]

Their original release in 2003 was £15 for a box of 20, 75p a model. They're now £18 for a box of 10, £1.80 a model. A 140% increase, or an 11.5% rise per year (allowing, I think, for compounding).

[Tymell]

(apologies for double post, but different topic)

Well, the new Ogre Kingdoms stuff has gone up, so the prices for the old models have been updated...and I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm actually very pleasantly surprised.

Greasus Goldtooth: £36 - same
Skrag the Slaughterer: £36 - same
Hunter: £30.75 - £22.50 (sabretusks £10.00)
Tyrant: £30.75 - £22.50
Butcher: £20.50 - same
Bulls: £22.50 for 6 - £23.00 for 6
Ironguts: £22.50 for 4 - £23.00 for 6
Gnoblars: £20.50 for 24 - same
Gnoblar Trappers: £8.70 for 4 - £12.00 for 4
Leadbelchers: £20.50 for 4 - £23.00
Scraplauncher: £30.75 - £20.50
Yhetee: £13.80 for 1 - £30.00 for 3
Maneater: £15.50 - same
Gorger: £13.80 - £15.50

So 5 things have remained at the same price, one has risen quite sharply, 5 have risen by a very small amount (the bulls and ironguts have rounded up by 50p, the leadbelchers by £2.50, gorger by £1.70, and I think the hunter used to come with sabretusks included, so that's effectively gone up by £1.75) and three (the tyrant, yhetees and scraplauncher) have actually gone down in price

That's not to say I think all the prices are fine, and I don't know how long they'll stay where they are, but still credit where it's due, this is a nice surprise.

[EmperorNorton]

It's a bit different for the € prices, where Greasus and Skrag have gone up from an already mind-boggling 45,50€ to 50€ each.
The Tyrant has gone down 2,50€ whereas the Maneaters have gone up 0,75€.
It's a pleasant surprise that the plastic kits have stayed the same and the price reductions on Yhetees and the Scrapauncher are quite considerable.

However, it shouldn't be forgotten that point costs of existing units appear to have been cut by around 25% so that you'll need quite a few more models for a full army now than you did before.

[strewart]

I honestly don't know what they USED to cost, but in Aus prices most of the characters are $61 each, which I find very high for one ogre sized model. I think the Tyrant was about $55, so only a small rise, but honestly... With the prices as they have been lately, we shouldn't be pleasantly surprised with only small rises across the board, the high price has just become higher aside from the 3 exceptions.

[Darnok]

I was pleased to see that the characters got a bit cheaper (apart from the special characters, which I wouldn't want for free ), and got almost truly excited about the massive drop in prices for the Sabretusks: from 23,50 € for two to 13 € for two!

[Little Joe]

I think the new ogre prices are quite good actually, appart from finecast that is. The battalion only lost half a box worth of models and is still very good at a reasonable price.
The new units are okay pricewise.

Count me surprised, but happy crazy rises seem to have stopped.

[EmperorNorton]

I was pleased to see that the characters got a bit cheaper (apart from the special characters, which I wouldn't want for free ), and got almost truly excited about the massive drop in prices for the Sabretusks: from 23,50 € for two to 13 € for two!

Colour me surprised, because I wouldn't want the Sabretusks for free...

[Darnok]

I didn't comment on the sculpts on purpose.

But with the addition of Sabretusk packs to the army list it is a good thing to see the models for them getting some kind of sensible price at last. Wether you like the models or not is another matter...