Games Workshop Pricing Feedback Thread

[Dragonblade]

Had a look at the Ogre Kingdoms items up for preorder... the prices are absolutely insane! $25 - $38 USD for single minis is ridiculous... who is buying this stuff?

The people who can't resist buying it, alot have tryed new games warmachine, hordes etc... but are finding warhammer fb and 40k more appealing, i know alot of them. You also have high incomes and younger children whose parents buy it them (i have met loads with an extensive collection of the high priced failcast models). missed any out?

and altough i agree, with you, insanely ridcoulous prices there will always be people buying it, Even if that number does shrink... the decline of GW will be i imagine slow.

[New Cult King]

It's just like how Lamborghini could sell a car here for $180000, instead of $450000, but if they did, the market would be flooded with them, and they would loose their exclusive car status.

Pretty sure GW WANTS the market to be flooded with their minis and games.

[Spectrar Ghost]

Pretty sure GW WANTS the market to be flooded with their minis and games.

Well, sure. As long as they could at the same time claim to be a luxury good that is price insensitive. They want to be Cheez Whiz and caviar simuntaneously.

[Tymell]

Well, sure. As long as they could at the same time claim to be a luxury good that is price insensitive. They want to be Cheez Whiz and caviar simuntaneously.

Exactly, this is precisely the problem I have with their outlook: they want to have their cake and eat it. If you want to be a top-of-the-range, super quality luxury product then fine, but you can't be "the one" that most people have at the same time.

It's also why I don't have such a problem with Forge World: they -are- a luxury brand that only some people use, and even then usually just for occasional things, very rarely for whole armies. That's their niche and they fit it. Games Workshop seem to want to be both.

[Gir]

Had a look at the Ogre Kingdoms items up for preorder... the prices are absolutely insane! $25 - $38 USD for single minis is ridiculous... who is buying this stuff?

People who can afford it.

[strewart]

People who can afford it.

More like... People who can justify that cost to themselves.

I could afford to buy an OK army. Hell I could buy a 2000 point OK army today at the stupid GW Aus prices, it would not affect my other spending in the foreseeable future and my savings account would recover in a month or two. However, there is no way in hell I am going to because it seems like very poor value for money to me and I won't buy at these prices. If it was a fair bit lower, I probably would since they have some very very nice models.

[f2k]

People who can afford it.

I can afford it, but I'm not going to buy it. There are games out there that offers much better value for my money...

[iamfanboy]

People who can afford it.

Gir, you seem to be an unabashed defender of GW, so I want to ask you a serious question:

At what point would GW miniatures be no longer good value for money to you?

Would it be when a standard infantry figure, such as Imperial Guard, made of plastic costs $5 AUD?

...Wait, it already comes way too close to that. My bad.

what about when GW standard infantry, like Imperial Guard, costs $8 AUD each?

In other words, when putting together even a basic troops choice of IG costs over $200 AUD, will that be too much for you? When having two troops choices costs close to $500?

Or will it have to be higher?


Remember, in this debate, we were all on your side at one point. We all felt that GW offered good value for its money, even though it was more expensive.

Even though many of us can still afford it, though, we no longer feel that way. They crossed the line; not necessarily with prices in most of our cases, but with prices coupled with other decisions (in my case, it was how they decided to write an awful, awful Chaos Codex that made half the units useless after TWO great Codexes where almost every unit was usable on the battlefield.)

So, ask yourself, at what point?

And don't forget that question, so you know when GW crosses that line.

[Dragonblade]

Gir, you seem to be an unabashed defender of GW, so I want to ask you a serious question:

At what point would GW miniatures be no longer good value for money to you?

Would it be when a standard infantry figure, such as Imperial Guard, made of plastic costs $5 AUD?

...Wait, it already comes way too close to that. My bad.

what about when GW standard infantry, like Imperial Guard, costs $8 AUD each?

In other words, when putting together even a basic troops choice of IG costs over $200 AUD, will that be too much for you? When having two troops choices costs close to $500?

Or will it have to be higher?


Remember, in this debate, we were all on your side at one point. We all felt that GW offered good value for its money, even though it was more expensive.

Even though many of us can still afford it, though, we no longer feel that way. They crossed the line; not necessarily with prices in most of our cases, but with prices coupled with other decisions (in my case, it was how they decided to write an awful, awful Chaos Codex that made half the units useless after TWO great Codexes where almost every unit was usable on the battlefield.)

So, ask yourself, at what point?

And don't forget that question, so you know when GW crosses that line.

you hit the nail on the head there Iamfanboy

[Tymell]

"As you are now, we once were. As we are, so will you be."

[Gir]

Gir, you seem to be an unabashed defender of GW, so I want to ask you a serious question:

At what point would GW miniatures be no longer good value for money to you?

Would it be when a standard infantry figure, such as Imperial Guard, made of plastic costs $5 AUD?

...Wait, it already comes way too close to that. My bad.

what about when GW standard infantry, like Imperial Guard, costs $8 AUD each?

In other words, when putting together even a basic troops choice of IG costs over $200 AUD, will that be too much for you? When having two troops choices costs close to $500?

Or will it have to be higher?


Remember, in this debate, we were all on your side at one point. We all felt that GW offered good value for its money, even though it was more expensive.

Even though many of us can still afford it, though, we no longer feel that way. They crossed the line; not necessarily with prices in most of our cases, but with prices coupled with other decisions (in my case, it was how they decided to write an awful, awful Chaos Codex that made half the units useless after TWO great Codexes where almost every unit was usable on the battlefield.)

So, ask yourself, at what point?

And don't forget that question, so you know when GW crosses that line.

It's impossible to tell, but as long as I can keep living my life to it's current standard, then they won't have crossed the line. So basically, when price rise > pay rise.

[magath]

Gir, you seem to be an unabashed defender of GW, so I want to ask you a serious question:

At what point would GW miniatures be no longer good value for money to you?

Would it be when a standard infantry figure, such as Imperial Guard, made of plastic costs $5 AUD?

...Wait, it already comes way too close to that. My bad.

what about when GW standard infantry, like Imperial Guard, costs $8 AUD each?

In other words, when putting together even a basic troops choice of IG costs over $200 AUD, will that be too much for you? When having two troops choices costs close to $500?

Or will it have to be higher?


Remember, in this debate, we were all on your side at one point. We all felt that GW offered good value for its money, even though it was more expensive.

Even though many of us can still afford it, though, we no longer feel that way. They crossed the line; not necessarily with prices in most of our cases, but with prices coupled with other decisions (in my case, it was how they decided to write an awful, awful Chaos Codex that made half the units useless after TWO great Codexes where almost every unit was usable on the battlefield.)

So, ask yourself, at what point?

And don't forget that question, so you know when GW crosses that line.

What an excellent post, nails the issue.

My question to you, iamfanboy (and anyone else who'd like to chip in) is this. Leaving aside the chaos codex issue, was it a general feeling of "this is not good value" or were there some items you felt specifically were not good value before you felt this way about the majority?

As an example, I've always wanted a massive Tau army, but whats put me off is simply the price of the crisis suit. It's just not good value for what you get. Its also the same reason I havn't fielded transports for years, simply because buying transport models (to me) is not good value. Now with the latest price increase, a significant drop in my wages and the redonculous pricing of models like the grey knight infantry, I'm in a position where I feel most of it does not represent good value compared to what else I could get for the same amount.

[Sgt John Keel]

I'm in a position where I feel most of it does not represent good value compared to what else I could get for the same amount.

And there we have it. In essence, the only reason anyone buys GW* is because they have nothing better to do with the money.

Personally, I feel that the Ogre character prices are poor value even within GW's own sphere of goods, and this is coming from one who thought that the Blood Knights weren't totally outrageous (before they became finecast, that is). I'm extremely reluctant to pay more than SEK180/£18 (that would be £15 in GW prices) for a character model of that size.

*Or anything.

[strewart]

My question to you, iamfanboy (and anyone else who'd like to chip in) is this. Leaving aside the chaos codex issue, was it a general feeling of "this is not good value" or were there some items you felt specifically were not good value before you felt this way about the majority?

The goldswords started it, changing infantry boxes to 10 instead of 20 but only reducing price by a little was also very annoying, dumbing down the rules over time hasn't helped, a few badly made codices/army books has been annoying. But while they all significantly reduced my spending, the one thing that completely stopped my spending was disallowing UK indies from shipping overseas. It was completely dumb and personally insulting to think that they could do that and expect us all to happily just start paying double what we had been paying from overseas without complaining.

As it is, I still love the background of both WHFB and 40k, and I still play with what I have (only with a couple of friends using a few house rules), plus have a lot still to assemble and paint, but I won't buy anything else.

[eldargal]

I think the UK prices are fine (though I really hope the Ogre release is a sign of GW deciding to lay off the price rises), but I wouldn't pay antipodean prices despite being able to afford them.

The greatswords are worth it, magnificient kit, but I agree entirely on the stupidity of the embargo vs reducing antipodean prices to encourage people to buy locally.

[rodmillard]

Goldswords for me. I was all set to start an Empire army when the current army book came out, but held off for the second plastic wave... at which point I threw in the towel. I stuck to LotR for a couple of years, then came back to warhammer (ironically) when Mantic brought out their undead range and made a new Warhammer army affordable again. I now buy the occasional character model if I can't find one I like from alternative manufacturers, and I have 40K projects on a very slow burn which need a few more models here and there. But basically my hobby spend has gone from 90% GW and 10% everything else, to 10% GW...

[Commissar Vaughn]

I cant quite remember what pushed me out: it was quite a while ago (3 years or more..I forget)...I think it was when Leman Russ and Falcon grav tanks went over from £18-20+

I aint bought anything bar the occasional pot of Devlan Mud since.

Nowadays I buy stuff from Renegade, Warlord, the Perrys, Front Rank, Miniature Figurines, Lancashire Games, Battlefront(occasionally), Old Glory, Scarab...

I just get a great amount of plastic and metal for my money...

[shelfunit.]

As with many here - Goldswords. A vastly over rated kit were they even at core troop prices. There may be a fair amount of different heads/arms etc, but they can really only be made in one pose if you want them to rank up and at over £25 for 10, well, more money than sense just about sums it up.

[Vidzero]

It's impossible to tell, but as long as I can keep living my life to it's current standard, then they won't have crossed the line. So basically, when price rise > pay rise.

This response is disgusting. You are basically a slave to GW and this is exactly what they want.

Until we collectively put our foot down and demand changes its just going to continue.

And Eldargal I've got news for you, you are already paying antipodean prices you just can't admit it to yourself because you continue to hold out that small glimmer of hope that GW will one day do the right thing.

Well they won't, not until we all rally together and tell them we are not your slaves GW, we demand fair prices for our loyalty.

Someone should start a movement or something...

And what does every good movement need?

That's right... a manifesto.

Someone should write a "Tabletop Manifesto" all the disenchanted gamers can get behind.

[Chaos and Evil]

Someone should write a "Tabletop Manifesto" all the disenchanted gamers can get behind.

At 28mm scale, Mantic Games already did that for me.


I quit playing WFB due to cost (Goldswords), and the strategy-heavy/tactics-lite focus of the army book releases during 7th edition, capped with the 8th edition rulebook that cemented that change.