The Griffon is a prime example of that. Previous incarnations of the same monster suddenly look like quails in comparison.
The price issue is one thing, because I find it quite obvious myself that these things are done bigger and bigger so they can ask for more money. But storing and transporting these huge "miniatures" also becomes a problem. For gaming purposes they are highly impractical. But why should GW care about that...
EmperorNorton's Overabundance of Projects Log
Minis bought: 363 - - - - - Minis painted: 373
Minis bought: 407 - - - - - Minis painted: 66
Yeah, that's another thing. Compare the volume (as in the space it occupies) of a 3rd or 4th edition of 40K / 5th or 6th edition of WFB army with the volume of a modern army. I have no idea how people transport their armies to the store or club without a car (which is not a problem in the US, but can be in Europe). Even then, you need multiple cases to house a single 2000 pt army. Sure, the VC phantom throne thingy looks awesome on the table or the shelf, but how do you transport it without damaging it? How do you place it inside a case in such a way as to allow other models to fit there too? Then there's models such as the Griffon or the Flyrant that posses enormous wings which make it tricky to cut the foam to make them fit.
It's not a matter of price per se, but still, it forces you to invest in additional carry cases.
In terms of transport I simply stock up on the Xmas cases each year to prepare for upcoming armies n' what not.
I'm a sucker for the big things though and always will be. I've always thought the steam tank is too small and the Stegadon never impressed me. But these last 2-3 years of big shinys for both 40k and Fantasy have been awesome for -my-hobby.
I have nothing against big models, as a matter of fact, I love 'em! I bought a Confrontation Tarascus simply because it was huge and awesome and unlike anything I had so far. It's good that GW is coming out with large kits such as the VC Throne, the TK Sphinx, or the Arachnarok, or even the Stormraven. It's not good, however, that GW is coming out with low-point units that are artificially enlarged in model size simply to make them more expensive to buy. Take the Wraiths - they could've kept the old size, fit 5 into the box, and sold them for $40 or so. Instead, they asked the CAD guys to blow them up, and put 3 to a box for $50. 15 smaller wraiths (which has no bearing on their effectiveness as a unit) for $120, or 15 larger ones for $250. Same unit, twice the price, and twice the profit. See what my gripe is?
I understand why you want them smaller and the price to match their points - that makes absolute sense. But > I < would much rather larger scale models, regardless of their points or in-game effectiveness, because for me it's about the look, the pose and the style over the playing content (even though amusingly I'm far more of a gamer than I am a painter :P)
And honestly, if there's more people in the hobby who like things the same as me than people who like things like yourself, then GW is more likely to lean towards those spenders.
I plan on adding between 6 and 10 wraiths to my growing Necron force - but if they looked naff, I wouldn't of bothered (although the old ones were SO bad I couldn't see them NOT making an improvement - I mean the artwork for them is fricking awesome).
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I don't mind model-size creep so long as it isn't accompanied by army-size creep.
WHFB puts out giant monsters and wagons while still asking for $50 USD worth of expensive wound counters on every infantry unit. I'd rather spend $50 on a griffon than $50 on halberdiers to fill out ranks - primarily because the griffon might actually do something in the game, while the halberdiers are just going to get removed as casualties get taken (while the front two ranks might get to attack at some point). Also, I'd rather build and paint the griffon than paint state troops, but then I find state troops to be ridiculously over-detailed for the points per model.
40K, in my opinion, can handle a larger cost ($$$) per model than WHFB due to none of the models just acting as wound counters. We do, instead, have to deal with nearly compulsory transports at this point which drive up the cost, but eventually those models pile out and actively participate. I take far less issue with spending $50 on 5 terminators than I do with spending $41.25 on 10 Greatswords - primarily because 5 terminators can be scary in their own right while 10 Greatswords are typically a laughable unit size in all but the smallest of WHFB matches. While the wraiths are certainly on the pricey side, they're huge and effective, which makes me not mind the price. 3 wraiths can be a useful unit in nearly any army size...meanwhile monstrous cavalry/infantry in WHFB typically want more than the 3 models that come in a box (maybe this has changed lately, but I seem to recall a lot of 4-6 unit sizes).
The short version, I suppose, is that I find the massive stuff to work better in 40K, and pricing as a whole to be better in 40K due to the way that game is played. Outside of Finecast, there isn't a lot that goes overboard on price. I might argue that no vehicle should pass the $60 mark, and I might also prefer to see the average battletank going down to $40-45 instead of $45-50, but I'm not feeling cheated anywhere just yet.
Fantasy is a different story - though I've preached the Fantasy Pricing Gospel According to Loveless more than enough times in this forum already.
The unit-sales has been dropping steadily for some years now. Seems that Games Workshop is now way past the optimal point and are charging too much to sustain their marked.
The average army-size is simply way too big to support 28 mm. figures, both as an army on a standard 4’ x’ 6’ table (particularly when playing with horde-armies) and as price tag.
I know that the overheads have gone up and GW have to make a profit, but sometimes I do think they do try their luck sometimes. Don't get me wrong they release top quality models but it is getting so much more expensive to do this hobby
The (Rat)Men of (Under)Talabheim! - A Painting Log
Angron's hobbies include crochet and flower pressing - but he does them with barbed wire and his face, respectively.
How does it stay in the air? Oh, it's powered by pure handwavium
Quick, let me take my (Mat) Ward save!
Well colour me pleased: http://www.thecombatcompany.com.au/a...hammer-40k.asp
These guys have a pretty hefty discount on the new Necron stuff, making them almost palatable in Aussie Dollars. I might have to get some now
Those who know don't care any more, and those who care don't know.
So I got the email blast from GW about empire stuff on the website. So following the link I see on their page that they want $41 USD for the engineer on the mechanical steed. Um, I am fairly sure that when I bought it two years ago it was $20ish (it was a class "F" or "J" item or whatever the highest blister price point was) which was still a lot, but to double in price in two years? How do they reckon an older model should go up that much?
Or is my memory just misfiring again?
Has anyone heard rumours btw of a GW price rise this year?