Tactica Imperial Guard

[FraustyTheSnowman]

Chimeras trump the hell out of raiders. Granted, if your opponent doesn't use any raiders (or venom), this point isn't very valid....but other than WWP I'm not thinking foot DEldar are much to worry about.

[hangnail]

Wouldn't griffons be amazing in this setting? S6 to ignore FNP, rolling 2 dice to penetrate AV on Raiders, accurate bombardment from out of sight, hull heavy flamer just in case...

[MyNameDidntFit]

Unrelatedly, I tested out the FW Scanner (the one that had 40k approved rules released in a PDF a while back) over the weekend and think that it's going to be a very tough decision between it and a second CCS in a lot of my lists. His rolls worked out at exactly average (3 successful 4+ rolls over 6 turns) and were the cause of a great deal of destruction from my plasma/melta squads with those re-rolls.

Whether he's worth replacing the 2nd HQ slot really depends on your army. If you're running a gunline or anything else with large blobs he wont be worth it (FRF!SRF! works out basically the same as re-rolls to hit and has a better success chance) due to the CCS' other orders and additional WS4 firepower. In an army of Vets or something, though... I don't know, I just like the idea of hitting with virtually all of my plasma shots

Which brings me to my next point, so I got a little screwed over in my upcoming campaign and I got selected to defend the Hive city (which is good) but I am either up against Dark Eldar (very bad) or Tau (blah). Hydras have become a must, as are flamers. Our first game is 1,500 points of planet strike (me defending) any advice for playing against Dark Eldar? I have actually only played the new DE once and ran them off the board in three turns... but it was a new player. How would you recommend dealing with them as well as taking into account the vast amounts of cover on the board.

Lots of medium strength firepower--autocannons, heavy flamers, grenade launchers, etc.--backed up by one of my favourite units; the...

Wouldn't griffons be amazing in this setting? S6 to ignore FNP, rolling 2 dice to penetrate AV on Raiders, accurate bombardment from out of sight, hull heavy flamer just in case...

Yes. Griffons. S6 AP4 will go through virtually anything the DE will take (there are large MCs and such, but my local gaming groups' *cough*perverted bastard*cough*... Dark Eldar player... never takes them) and they're more accurate than most units in the Guard.

I love them.

[laudarkul]

Our first game is 1,500 points of planet strike (me defending) any advice for playing against Dark Eldar? I have actually only played the new DE once and ran them off the board in three turns... but it was a new player. How would you recommend dealing with them as well as taking into account the vast amounts of cover on the board.

I would go for AC HWS and maybe some infantry blobbs coupled with 2-3 Hydra's and 1-2 Plasma/Melta Vet Chimeras. I play recently against a DE army (ok at 1850 pts) and I find that Venoms are useless against blobs in cover; AC's just eat their vehicles easily and being twin-linked (Hydra's or BiD) it's almost scaring for them and 20-30's infantry blobs squads with commies can take some 50 attacks from witches and survive and then slowly grind those beasties down. And since you'll have plenty of cover your chances or surviving will be bigger. Just my impressions...

[Commissar Merces]

Well the campaign manager informed me that I am actually against tau so that chances things

As we are going to be fighting in a Hive for most of the campaign (joy) I think I have to invest in a couple griffons and some hydras as their vehicles are skimmers. I usually run an infantry heavy list (about 100 men in normal size battles) so I think I will stick with that plan. I could use a hellhound as well I suppose.

[ColShaw]

Griffons are good, pretty much no matter what you're playing against (okay, not so good against Draigowing or Deathwing, but that's about it).

[Commissar Merces]

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...r-Planetstrike

Link to my army list

[blurrymadness]

Chimeras trump the hell out of raiders. Granted, if your opponent doesn't use any raiders (or venom), this point isn't very valid....but other than WWP I'm not thinking foot DEldar are much to worry about.

I think Raiders are an excellent transport still. Being highly mobile, open topped, and coming with AT weapons that effect even AV14 somewhat reliably is a good set of skills even if it's... perfectly poppable :P

Griffons are good, pretty much no matter what you're playing against (okay, not so good against Draigowing or Deathwing, but that's about it).

True; is Draigowing fearless too? I imagine Plague Marines + Oblits fit on here as neither die easily to S6 low-ROF fire and are fearless. I love pinning checks personally. My meta-game has been including more and more armies that aren't fearless 100% of the time and it's a beautiful thing to cause pinning when you wreck a transport, cause LD tests right after, etc.. If they take LD OHH mama it'd be fun to troll with an army of snipers and mortars.

[ColShaw]

True; is Draigowing fearless too?

Nope; but you won't kill any of them, so it hardly matters.

[Rhaivaen]

Pardon my ignorance, but what does "Draigowing" stand for?

[stereynolds]

Pardon my ignorance, but what does "Draigowing" stand for?

Grey Knight list usually comprising of:

Kaldor Drago
10 Paladins (2 Wound Terminators granted FNP by upgrades) all tricked out for wound allocation sillyness
1 Solo Paladin for objective camping usually held in reserve
As many Psyfleman (Dreanoguhts - each has 2 TL autocannons that fire at strength 8) as you can fit with the remainder of your points upto 6

[Rhaivaen]

Cheers, thanks for the answer

[Ariobarzanes]

@Rhaivaen: an army based on Draigo a.k.a Chuck Norris and a retinue of paladins; and a link for your joy. http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2011/...ctica-101.html

In my opion the pinnacle of rules abuse.

[stereynolds]

@Rhaivaen: an army based on Draigo a.k.a Chuck Norris and a retinue of paladins; and a link for your joy. http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2011/...ctica-101.html

Thats a REALLY poor example of a draigowing though.

[ColShaw]

It's fun fighting a Paladin army with IG because you can outnumber them 8 or 9 to 1. Then you watch them actually try to kill enough of your Guardsmen to matter... and they can't!

[FraustyTheSnowman]

blurry...as a DE player I love raiders (and venom), and not knocking them at all. Was just trying to make a suggestion to someone who asked earlier about how to take on DE as a guard player. Chimera are cheaper, better armored, armored in a manner that voids the benefit of lance weapons, and have weapons that work well against raiders.

Yeah, plague marines should be on the list of things that don't care about griffons. I play deathguard (or did before I got fed up with the current chaos codex), and seeing mid str crappy ap template weapons is very nice.

[blurrymadness]

I remember when i first started off with 6 Grotzookas I got tired of them because my primary opponent at the time was a Death Guard army. 12 templates *might* get 2 or 3 guys, but felt like they took ages to roll, count the hits etc.. and all to get the effect of a few big shootas ya know? lol, I imagine now I'd feel differently again... but they're so zoggin' tough I lack the incentive to care.

@ColShaw
But you just have to get a successful wound to cause pinning, (and that's *before* FnP IIRC) so it's not *that* unlikely that if you had a Sniper/Mortar styled army that you'd be able to cause 2-3 pinning checks (or more) a turn. I'd say ratlings almost guarantee it; if expensive to try out.

[MyNameDidntFit]

@ColShaw
But you just have to get a successful wound to cause pinning, (and that's *before* FnP IIRC) so it's not *that* unlikely that if you had a Sniper/Mortar styled army that you'd be able to cause 2-3 pinning checks (or more) a turn. I'd say ratlings almost guarantee it; if expensive to try out.

I agree with this. An army with 12 Ratlings is guaranteed at least one wound per turn (by averages, obviously). I mean, it's really not going to be the most efficient (or even close to it) method, but it could definitely work.

[blurrymadness]

I agree with this. An army with 12 Ratlings is guaranteed at least one wound per turn (by averages, obviously). I mean, it's really not going to be the most efficient (or even close to it) method, but it could definitely work.

Lol by all means an army based on Snipers and Mortars would probably suck unless built.. *REALLY* well, but as a troll army against draigo.. maybe with some weaken resolve just to be sure.. it'd be fun.

[razormasticator]

Griffons are good, pretty much no matter what you're playing against (okay, not so good against Draigowing or Deathwing, but that's about it).

Music too my ears, as I just got 2 of these off of Bartertown.