Wait, so won't it almost always be smarter for the genestealer player to flip "3" blips because that becomes 18 actions and can go other directions...
Which is my other question. If the genestealer players ops to reveal the blips, can the genestealers make actions the turn they flip (Since I know you can't move the blip than reveal)? Otherwise they are very open to kill...
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Originally Posted by Mannimarco
Well that's where all the strategy comes in. It may be more beneficial to have the marine player worry about what number is under the blip, but if you're just want to run straight at him then yeah, it probably is better to reveal it.
Plus, blips take up less space than 3 'stealers. Obvious, but I've seen someone get 15 'stealers out of a 3x3 room.
Hellebore, the reason a 180degree turn is not allowed is so that you can't turn right round if a 'stealer is sneaking up on you. As it stands, it takes 2 CPs and 2 'stealer actions for a Marine to turn right round. If a 180degree turn was a 2AP action, it would only take him 1 'stealer action.
iluvatar18, the Marine player should be doing all his planning in the 'stealer turn (as well as having a general strategy to begin with). That way, you spend those 3 mins moving models, not thinking about where they should be.
Good a sensible explanation. I hadn't thought about actions being performed in the stealers' turn, nor the fact that an action is an action irrespective of the number of APs used. Thus a space marine MUST spend two ACTIONS to turn around.Plus, blips take up less space than 3 'stealers. Obvious, but I've seen someone get 15 'stealers out of a 3x3 room.
Hellebore, the reason a 180degree turn is not allowed is so that you can't turn right round if a 'stealer is sneaking up on you. As it stands, it takes 2 CPs and 2 'stealer actions for a Marine to turn right round. If a 180degree turn was a 2AP action, it would only take him 1 'stealer action.
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Lurking question.
If I read it right, the genestealer player can not activate a blip placed as a reinforcement that turn, if a terminator is within 6 squares of said entry point. However that blip can be activated the following turn even if there is still a terminator within 6 squares? Also any blips that happen to already be at an entry point may come on to the board as normal regardless of terminator presence?
Flamer can move and turn and fire all in the same turn. A flamer cannot however, move (or turn) and fire as part of the same action.
And yes...correct to the Lurking question.
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Here's my interpretations of the rules questions so far. These are based on my readings of the 3rd ed rule books, and experience of the previous two versions!
Flamers: The flamer can move and fire in the same action phase, but not the same action (as mattjgilbert said). A flamer marine could move (1 AP) and then fire (2 APs), spending 3 APs. It could not Move and Fire for 2APs in the wasy a storm bolter can move and fire for 1AP. This is demonstrated in the WD battle report of suicide mission, where action and command points are spent to run the flamer marine forward so he can flame the objective room in the Marine's action phase.
Overwatch: I found nothing that said you could not set overwatch, or Guard, in the stealer phase if you had sufficient command points. It's part of the list of actions, therefore can be performed. It costing 2CMD points is neither here nor there. You could also use 2CMD points to fire a flamer in responce to a stealer move. The rules allow one action in responce to a genestealer action, not 1CMD point per action.
turning: can't beat AndrewGPaul's answer!
Lurking: this one is interesting, will have to check. in previous editions, being in 6 squares essentially 'sealed' the entry point. Will have to look at the rules more closely on Sat!
I think a stealer player can convert a blip off the board, and move stealers on rather than a blip?
Also, blips don't have a facing, so pay no APs to turn meaning that they move faster/more mobile even than regular stealers in some cases.
The lurking rule has not changed. "Sealing" an enty area was a new action introduced in one of the supplements (Deathwing possibly). Lurking was always for 1 turn only and then the stealer player was free to move.
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But how can the marine turn at all if the stealer is sneaking up on him? Doesn't he need LOS to react during the stealers move? Or are you just talking about him turning around in his next marine turn and needing to use 1 more point than a stealer would?
Also, the 2nd mission in the book uses that sealing rule. Both my friend and I failed hard at that one but I managed to redeem myself in the rescue mission!
I'd need to check the rules. IIRC, you can spend CPs on a Marine if a 'stealer ends an action in LOS of a Marine. However, the Marine on which the CPs are spent need not be the one with LOS.
Alternatively, it could just be an oddity in rules layout.
I believe this question has already been asked. But no answer.
When the stealer player gets his initial blips (2 in the case of suicide mission) and in his first turn he places them at whatever entrnace point he wants, does he get to move them that turn?
And does he get his reinforcment blips in the first turn as well? (again 2 in the case of suicide mission)
And do these get to move in the first turn as well? Or do they have to wait at an entrance for a turn?
I didn't have a lot of time to look over the game last night (never played the original, only space crusade which was different and cant remember that now anyway.)
I have a couple of questions which I didn't immediately understand,
On over watch, why shoot a door if it closes? Am I reading that right?
With the flamer, what counts as being hit? From the pictures i see its a round template. Is it any moving space (square) touched by the template or all spaces in that section. When moving around a burning room, same question (squares touched or whole room).
It might be clear in the rule book, but I read it late last night after footy training and was tired so might not have read it right.
I'll have a pop at these.
With the overwatch one it's to do with a marine reacting to movement in his field of view but otherwise annoying.
With the flamer it's everything in the section is hit. So if you fire it at a 3 square room you get a lot but if you fire it at a 2 square corridor you get a little.
Doesn't the marine have to have line of sight to the stealer performing the action to react to it with a CP? If so, you may not turn at all to try and face a stealer sneaking on you as you can not see him.
Also, just to be clear, the nid player does get reinforcements on the first turn? Or does he only have the amount of blips that he "begins the game with?" For example, in Mission 1 will the nid player have two or four blips on his very first turn?
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I think a Marine needs LOS to the 'stealer to spend CPs, but those CPs can be spent on any Marine, not necessarily the one watching the 'stealer move.
As for Overwatch, the 'stealer must be in LOS at the end of its action - if it closes a door, no shot, IIRC.
Regarding reinforcement blips, I'd need to read the rules again before answering that one. Does the mission report in the lated WD (US #356 IIRC) imply one way or the other?
yes a marine must have line of sight to a stealer performing an action to react to it, this was explained better in 1st edition.
You start the mission with 2 blips and then you get 2 in your reinforcements phase, so you would have 4 blips on you first turn.
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@reeper: yes you are completely right. white dwarf #357 (uk) shows this.
@andrewgpaul if a door closes you shot the door this explained in the rules.
@iamnothere how is it annoying i mean thats one less door you have to spend 1 ap opening.
@sleby why you need to turn i dont know you auto turn if you win the fight so there no point.
@shadow hunter yes you are reading that right its because the genestealer has done something and think of overwatch as making a marine REALLY twitchy.
@boxjuggler you may puposely lurk but only 3 blips at a time. you cant move onto the board if there is a terminator within 6 squares until your next turn. no if the blip is on a purple arrow already it CANNOT move onto the board.
@rev genestealers get free turning anyway
a marine may do any action during the genestealer player turn.
and remember folks you can ALWAYS move diagonally
Because you kill the stealer if you're already facing him and win the fight.
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No mention that the Space Marine performing the action has to be the one who witnessed the Genestealer's action.
Where in the rules?
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