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    Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    Just wondering who the oldest non-dreadnought, non-Primarch space marine is?

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    Re: Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    dante but not by much. i think logan is almost at old.

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    Re: Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    Dante is considerably older than Logan Grimnar--1100 years vs. 700 years, meaning a 400 year difference. Dante is also not the oldest living Blood Angel; that goes to Cleutin, who was Dante's sergeant when he was a scout. For that matter, Logan Grimnar isn't the oldest living Space Wolf either, Ulrik the Slayer is older.

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    Re: Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    Veteran Sgt Cleutin of the Blood Angels, the Bearer of the Shroud of Sanguinius.
    He was the Sgt in charge of Dante's Scout squad.

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    Re: Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    The problem with Cleutin is that until fairly recently, Blood Angels scouts weren't neophytes, and so it would have been possible for the sergeant of a scout squad to be older than the scouts themselves.

    Unless of course Cleutin is specifically mentioned as being older than Dante (like Cassius and Calgar); I forget...?
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    Re: Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    Luther...
    Created in M30.
    In stasis since +/- 015.M31, but since he's technically still alive, that'd make him the oldest not-in-the-warp marine.

    Also, C:AoD specifically states that "Cleutin was the Sergeant in charge of Commander Dante's Scout squad when Dante joined the Chapter."
    The same codex also states that space marines initiates first become scouts and only after some experience as scouts that they move on to full space marines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Damocles View Post
    The problem with Cleutin is that until fairly recently, Blood Angels scouts weren't neophytes, and so it would have been possible for the sergeant of a scout squad to be older than the scouts themselves.
    ??? In the 2nd Edition AOD codex, BA scouts were neophytes just like the scouts of most other chapters. I don't think either of the subsequent BA codices (the 3rd Ed. minidex or the current WD-article-dex) has contradicted this. What's your source?

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    Re: Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    The 3rd edition minidex included a line about Blood Angel scouts being the most fiery individuals in the chapter, which the majority of Blood Angel players interpreted to mean that they aren't neophytes. Personally I always regarded it as a throwaway line to make the unit sound cool, like the line in the Blood Angels IA article about the special practices of the Blood Angels assault reserve company which were in fact 100% codex.

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    Re: Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    The 3rd ed. Codex: Blood Angels had scouts as being, 'chosen from firey individuals within the chapter' (pg.3).

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    Or was 3rd ed. a retcon which has subsequently been retconned?

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    Oh, hmm.. well I guess one of the more recent codices DOES contradict Angels of Death. I stand corrected. I prefer the AOD fluff where they are the same as other chapter's scouts, though.

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    Re: Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    To be fair, the current list has them as newbies, as does Swallow's car crash of a series.

    Although I'm not particularly inclined to take either of those as great sources of background...

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    Re: Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    Acording to the darkangels codex the scout sargent of the deathwing to origianly start daubing their armour bone white is still kicking around telling the story to new initiates, I gues that makes him pretty old
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Damocles View Post
    Although I'm not particularly inclined to take either of those as great sources of background...
    Agreed... I'll stick with AOD as the most authoritative source of BA info, personally.

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    Re: Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    Age means little over all in the 40K. Asmodai is really freaking old (In the since that he was alive in like...M.37 or M.38, something like that) But he's supposed to still be alive in the M.41. The reason? Warp travel is a bitch.
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    Re: Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    Almost every origional Chaos Marine is more than 10k years old (technically).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnyfrej View Post
    Almost every origional Chaos Marine is more than 10k years old (technically).

    The members of the Legions are. And some others are probably more than a thousand years older or more. But like I said...the warp makes things...funky.
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    Re: Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    Constantin Valdor. He was given the title of Chief Custodian at the start of the Great Crusade and now watches over the Emperor (for all we know). He would also have to have served a lot longer to get that title. There are 933 titles in total for a Adeptus Custodes and Valdor has all of them. So 10,000+ years. Although not technically a Space Marine, the Adeptus Custodes were a sort of "prototype" in creating Space Marines.

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    Constantin Valdor. He was given the title of Chief Custodian at the start of the Great Crusade and now watches over the Emperor (for all we know).
    What you're saying is that Constantin Valdor is mentioned in HH-era fluff, but has not appeared or been mentioned in anything set less than 10,000 years ago... so you're presuming he is still alive?

    Considering that even the Primarchs were not immortal and could die of old age, with the fluff stating that the last of them died 1,400 years after the Horus Heresy, I think it's unlikely that a Custodes member has survived an additional 8,600 years to reach the age of 10,000.

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    Re: Who is the Oldest Non-Dreadnought Space Marine?

    Well it implies that he could still be there. Something along the lines of: after the heresy he went back to the position in the throne room to guard the Emperor. Of course you wouldn't know if he was dead or not because no one goes in and no one goes out. They have not named another Chief Custodian to take his spot so it seems like he is still alive.

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