Forces of Warmachine: Books and New Models

[Hrafn]

In short, the Cryxian Engine was a missed opportunity, and I get the feeling that the remaining Hordes Engines may share the same fate if they're not careful. The Skorne and Legion ones especially run the risk of "Giant Warbeast with Troops", which is not really what I'd consider a "win" in this unit type.

Yeah, that Wraith Engine is a strong contender for most unimaginative piece of resin ever. I am still baffled why anyone would think making a scaled-up helljack would be the coolest thing ever for a War Engine. The mini itself is allright as such, it is just that it is a mindless reiteration of existing Cryxian minis. And don't get me started on the "background" of the thing..

But I think you are a bit unfair in calling the Legion thingie bland (my interpretation of your words!). While I can't figure out if I like it, it's certainly not an unimaginative concept. I mean, it isn't basically a huge Carnivean with a tail instead of legs...

[Thanatos_elNyx]

I can't figure out if I like it

I'm in the same boat.

[basher]

if you tke the monster of the bottom yeh i could go with it but it just looks dft to me.
To be fir i was expecting a mini dragon of some sort

as for the wriath engine i like it yes the fluffs a bit meh but i dont min it in my eyes it ould hve been a lot worse

[nurgle_boy]

http://minimusingofabear.files.wordp...wamphorror.png

Here's the link to the Swamp Horror Art. I suspect that this is going to be an infanttry killer.

High power, crit consume on the mouth, and a low power, 360 thresher from the tentacles. I'm calling it now!
With all those limbs, it would seem odd for it not to be able to thrash about like that. I'm curious as to how they're going to work it though... It's clearly aquatic, and I'm not sure how it would even move on land. Perhaps it's animus makes the area around it water/swamp, and it moves faster within said area?

[loveless]

But I think you are a bit unfair in calling the Legion thingie bland (my interpretation of your words!). While I can't figure out if I like it, it's certainly not an unimaginative concept. I mean, it isn't basically a huge Carnivean with a tail instead of legs...

Oh, the visual concept of it is disturbing and fitting for Legion, I'm just concerned that they'll play up the biological aspect of it - I'm hoping it doesn't end up as "unspeakable horror...with a platform on top!" is all.

That one really depends on the writing...though I'll probably end up buying it regardless of background. It should be fun to paint a large Legion model that isn't all flesh and carapace.

[Wishing]

I'm definitely looking forward to the legion engine model... it could be disappointing, but it could also be the coolest thing ever.

[kormas]

wow, i really gotta say, i love that circle warengine thingy, makes me wish i was collecting circle

i am also a tad worried about the legion one, it seems like it could be pretty cool, but it could also just turn out to be a chunky piece of pants

[Emeraldw]

The war engines are cool concepts but they aren't really wow enough rules wise to take them for their cost. I was honstly hoping they would be like 12-15 points and used in 50+ games only. The way they are now kinda clashes with a lot of things in our normal army lists. Hopefully the horde ones will be more impressive somehow.

[nurgle_boy]

The war engines are cool concepts but they aren't really wow enough rules wise to take them for their cost. I was honstly hoping they would be like 12-15 points and used in 50+ games only. The way they are now kinda clashes with a lot of things in our normal army lists. Hopefully the horde ones will be more impressive somehow.

I dont know... I'll keep raving about the Storm Strider. That thing, at 9 points, fits in pretty nicely, and when compared to the other ranged alternatives (Defender, 2 chargers, hunter and a half, etc) holds up pretty nicely, especially if you can throw some armour buffs onto it. It become a long ranged, hard to shift unit. (Oddly, I rate Pstryker pretty highly with it. Start out with snipe, to threaten anything, and change to arc.shield when things get close! Under his feat and shield, it become even harder to shift. arm 26 and 20 boxes isn't easy to move)

[loveless]

I was honstly hoping they would be like 12-15 points and used in 50+ games only.

I think some of the business side goes into this. That is to say, Privateer seems far less likely to limit things based on game size now - the days of "Epic-level" encounters are gone, so people seem to be more likely to purchase and use Epic 'casters even at small points levels.

Last I knew, there was still some division among players in regards to 50 or 35 point games as standard. Every group seems to be a bit different on that front. While limiting Battle Engines to 50 points may have encouraged the sale of even more models, it also could have stopped some groups from buying altogether.

Making them too points-intensive could also make them too powerful in comparison to the warjacks, and Privateer seemed very adamant about keeping warjacks (and warbeasts) in the spotlight.

[loveless]

Plastic Man-O-War Demolition Corps up on the site now.

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine...molition-corps

Armed with long-hafted ice mauls that can shatter flesh, bone, and steel like glass, the Man-O-War Demolition Corps can deliver destruction to the enemy with devastating ease. Fearless in their heavy steam-powered armor, the Demolition Corps all but ignore incoming fire as they reduce enemy soldiers, warjacks, and fortifications to shards of icy shrapnel with each swing of their mighty, freezing hammers.

I'm sure everyone's already seen them, but I don't think we had a direct picture in this thread.

[basher]

still cant belive they didn't do one kit with the three variants in it

[loveless]

still cant belive they didn't do one kit with the three variants in it

It would have been prohibitively expensive.

Yes, I'm aware of magnetization (which I did with a Menoth 'jack kit...probably won't be doing that again) and the "boon" it would have been for crafty Khadorans, but the price would have gone above the $45 mark that Privateer seems to have set for their Medium Infantry (in plastic).

You'd be putting in enough excess plastic in spare weapons and shoulderpads (for the Bombadiers) that it would be like another 2-3 Men-O-War.

It's the same as the light warjack kits - it would have been a lot of cost to swallow for the gamer in one go. I believe PP even addressed that when the new plastic lights started coming out.

[nurgle_boy]

Nice models that are very similar to the metals? check!
cast in plastic at a reasonable price? check!

Yup. Another good release right there.

[Emeraldw]

I think some of the business side goes into this. That is to say, Privateer seems far less likely to limit things based on game size now - the days of "Epic-level" encounters are gone, so people seem to be more likely to purchase and use Epic 'casters even at small points levels.

Last I knew, there was still some division among players in regards to 50 or 35 point games as standard. Every group seems to be a bit different on that front. While limiting Battle Engines to 50 points may have encouraged the sale of even more models, it also could have stopped some groups from buying altogether.

Making them too points-intensive could also make them too powerful in comparison to the warjacks, and Privateer seemed very adamant about keeping warjacks (and warbeasts) in the spotlight.

Yeah, I understand those concerns. But...nobody uses them

I think part of the frustration is that people around me only seem to play 35 points. I never get up to 50 then where I would actually start to look at taking a battle engine.

[Keravin]

Nobody in your area uses them. I saw the Arcanic Generator used by 2 players at the UK Masters and have seen the Khador wagon used very effectively in a local tourney (which was a 35 point tourney).

[Wishing]

It would have been prohibitively expensive.

Yes, I'm aware of magnetization (which I did with a Menoth 'jack kit...probably won't be doing that again) and the "boon" it would have been for crafty Khadorans, but the price would have gone above the $45 mark that Privateer seems to have set for their Medium Infantry (in plastic).

You'd be putting in enough excess plastic in spare weapons and shoulderpads (for the Bombadiers) that it would be like another 2-3 Men-O-War.

It's the same as the light warjack kits - it would have been a lot of cost to swallow for the gamer in one go. I believe PP even addressed that when the new plastic lights started coming out.

I guess what confuses me about that is that it seems like these arguments could be made against the plastic heavies too, which did get combi-kits. They would also have been cheaper if they didn't have the parts to make all the jacks, but making them one kit reduced SKU numbers. Making the light jacks and heavy infantry into multi-kits would have made them more expensive, but reduced SKU numbers.

I can understand it with the infantry, because you'd need five alternate weapons per set in the box rather than just one, but why the heavy jacks and not the light jacks?

[Voss]

I can understand it with the infantry, because you'd need five alternate weapons per set in the box rather than just one, but why the heavy jacks and not the light jacks?

I agree on the lights. The plastics are significantly more expensive than the metal versions, and there really isn't anything to show for it. They could have done at least the prime lights (for each faction) as a single kit, if not the later variants.

[loveless]

I can understand it with the infantry, because you'd need five alternate weapons per set in the box rather than just one, but why the heavy jacks and not the light jacks?

That's an excellent question.

Frankly, I'd prefer it if the 'jacks were all seperate, or sold as a "body" and "upgrade" pair. Instead, I'm going to end up with a pile of leftover warjack weapons that are effectively useless.

[Falkman]

Instead, I'm going to end up with a pile of leftover warjack weapons that are effectively useless.

You can always use them to make wreck markers.