Forces of Warmachine: Books and New Models

[Voss]

This. We could do much more with plastic lights than lessers - the issue is that Legion has, what, one Light Warbeast in Primal? Our most modular light - the Nephilim - only exists in our Forces book.

Yeah, and the Nephilim don't exactly lend themselves well to a single kit either. The protector's armor varies far too much from the others. Almost everything else is a one off.

For heavies, that is true for most of the Hordes factions- a second 3 in 1 plastic kit will be difficult at best, unlike the WM factions. Seraph/Angelius/? doesn't really work, and Rhinodon/Archidon certainly doesn't. Not like a centurion/avenger/hammersmith, anyway. Even the Satyrs for circle are very different models.

Given that the Rockram, Driller, and Avalancher are all effectively the same chassis (or maybe they actually are - I'm not sure of their stats)

I think so. At least the Driller and Rockram are.

[loveless]

Yeah, and the Nephilim don't exactly lend themselves well to a single kit either. The protector's armor varies far too much from the others. Almost everything else is a one off.

That's a good point - and true of other factions as well. For instance, while the Brute and Savage are similar, the Cyclops Shaman would never work in the same kit. The elemental trolls would be a nightmare as well.

For heavies, that is true for most of the Hordes factions- a second 3 in 1 plastic kit will be difficult at best, unlike the WM factions. Seraph/Angelius/? doesn't really work, and Rhinodon/Archidon certainly doesn't. Not like a centurion/avenger/hammersmith, anyway. Even the Satyrs for circle are very different models.

Though I definitely like them, the Ravagore and Scythean felt incredibly shoehorned into the Legion arsenal. I see a couple of things happening after that:

1) We'll see some new Heavies matching an alternate existing heavy (various Rhinodons, Satyrs, Wolds, Angelii, etc.) that are little more than "weapon swaps" of the existing version.
2) They'll leave them alone and come up with something new entirely

[basher]

That's a good point - and true of other factions as well. For instance, while the Brute and Savage are similar, the Cyclops Shaman would never work in the same kit. The elemental trolls would be a nightmare as well.

well for the cyclops they now have the raider which is very similar to the savage and brute and by the look of the mini in domination.Plus i think it looks like a plastic model same as the storm troll the back spines look like they could be intercangeable.

and if you look at the argus's/argie in the inside back cover and the winter argus they look plastic as well but they should if there are new battle boxs coming

i think we will see plastic lights for all (major) factions but they will all be separate like the warmachine ones maybee the shredders will be two in a box like bonejacks

[Falkman]

That's a good point - and true of other factions as well. For instance, while the Brute and Savage are similar, the Cyclops Shaman would never work in the same kit.

No, but the Brute/Savage/Raider would.
I would be really happy to see some plastic lights for Hordes as well, and to be honest I think every army except Circle has models that are similar enough to be made into plastic kits.

Skorne: as mentioned above.
Legion: The Nephilim. Yes, they are a bit different to each other at the moment, but so are the old Feral and Pureblood warpwolves, and they managed to make them into plastic anyway.
Trollbloods: Axer/Impaler/Bouncer would work great.

[loveless]

I keep forgetting Domination exists....my bad

[Voss]

Its so small, its easy to overlook.


I really don't think the bouncer and protector would work with the others of their breed. The others are close to completely unarmored, and they are layered in it. The multi kits are generally only head/weapon swaps.

Of course, the real issue is that PP hasn't done multi-model kits for any of the lights for warmachine, and aren't likely to do such kits for Hordes either. They'll probably just be individual beasts in plastic for an extra $4 over the current prices.

[Falkman]

I really don't think the bouncer and protector would work with the others of their breed. The others are close to completely unarmored, and they are layered in it. The multi kits are generally only head/weapon swaps.

Yes, but it would be easy to change the design of the model to accomodate such multi-kit use. The body of the troll light could be armoured for example.
Such changes can be seen in the Warpwolf kit, where all of them have proper loincloths and hoods, which didn't appear on all of them before. Same goes for the troll heavy kit, they all have a padlock belt now.

Of course, the real issue is that PP hasn't done multi-model kits for any of the lights for warmachine, and aren't likely to do such kits for Hordes either. They'll probably just be individual beasts in plastic for an extra $4 over the current prices.

Yes, but they are all based on the same model with just arms and head swaps, just like the heavy kits. They just don't come with extra parts to build more than one option.

[basher]

according to the war store in march we will be getting

heavy mirmidon kit (house vyre)

circle warpwolf kit

skorne venator slingers

[Falkman]

Malefic also has the character upgrades for the Vyre and Warpwolf kits listed (Hypnos and Ghetorix).

[itcamefromthedeep]

1) We'll see some new Heavies matching an alternate existing heavy (various Rhinodons, Satyrs, Wolds, Angelii, etc.) that are little more than "weapon swaps" of the existing version.

It looks as if the company is using the new plastic heavies to add more to the newer faction than they are to the older ones.

The Avenger/Hammersmith/Centurion kit adds only one unit to the game, while the new Vyre box adds three models. This means that the Retribution range will eventually catch up in variety.

I would expect a similar system to help the Hordes factions catch up to each other and to the Warmachine ranges, meaning I think it's entirely reasonable to expect something like the Rhinodon to come with 2 completely new heavies, rather than consolidating a group. Similarly you might see a 3-variant box based on the Gnarlhorn and another 3-box variant Shadowhorn.

[Emeraldw]

according to the war store in march we will be getting

heavy mirmidon kit (house vyre)

circle warpwolf kit

skorne venator slingers

Not till March!?

Sadness

[basher]

It looks as if the company is using the new plastic heavies to add more to the newer faction than they are to the older ones.

The Avenger/Hammersmith/Centurion kit adds only one unit to the game, while the new Vyre box adds three models. This means that the Retribution range will eventually catch up in variety.

I would expect a similar system to help the Hordes factions catch up to each other and to the Warmachine ranges, meaning I think it's entirely reasonable to expect something like the Rhinodon to come with 2 completely new heavies, rather than consolidating a group. Similarly you might see a 3-variant box based on the Gnarlhorn and another 3-box variant Shadowhorn.

how i wish i could agree with this but privateer has already stated that hordes will never catch up to war machine

i think in time we will get new rhinodons,satyr and stuff.There will be only one box for each, i very much dout that pp will do two differant box's of satyr if any thing it will be one with gnarlthorn,shadowhorn and another, yes the metal ones are differant pose's but that wont matter look at the warpwolf box

[Voss]

It looks as if the company is using the new plastic heavies to add more to the newer faction than they are to the older ones.

The Avenger/Hammersmith/Centurion kit adds only one unit to the game, while the new Vyre box adds three models. This means that the Retribution range will eventually catch up in variety.

I would expect a similar system to help the Hordes factions catch up to each other and to the Warmachine ranges, meaning I think it's entirely reasonable to expect something like the Rhinodon to come with 2 completely new heavies, rather than consolidating a group. Similarly you might see a 3-variant box based on the Gnarlhorn and another 3-box variant Shadowhorn.

In theory, they could catch up. In practice, it isn't going to happen. They aren't (really can't in the face of their player demands) going to do significantly smaller releases for the 4 original WM factions and significantly larger releases for everything else. They could weight it a little (though the low new stuff count in domination suggests they aren't going to) but it would take the better part of a decade to make the numbers match.

[itcamefromthedeep]

They could weight it a little (though the low new stuff count in domination suggests they aren't going to) but it would take the better part of a decade to make the numbers match.

You don't think they have that long?

That's a pretty dire forecast for the company's chances.

[Voss]

Eh, was a generous estimate. As long as they keep putting stuff out, I don't think the numbers matter so much. The problem, I think, is keeping up with new ideas to produce. I was actually a little disappointed in Domination because it (like the later WM books) further blurred the line between factions. Army is pretty much a purely visual choice, since everyone can do almost everything, though some have more choices and don't have to resort to spamming the same units for specific tasks.

[basher]

Forged from the consciousness of a trio of venerable iron liches, the overseer exists to command thralls and machines in the field. It slowly turns as the battle unfolds to allow each of its three faces to survey the enemy as it unleashes volleys of soul-claiming arcane fire, all the while hissing commands to the helljacks that follow it to war.



well its about time, a lot better than i expected i thought it would thin and fidly

[nurgle_boy]

Once again, all I can really say is 'Yup, matches the artwork!'.

And really, thats a very positive thing! There just isn't a great deal to say about it, other than how faithful it is to the art.

[basher]

Although dangerous and unpredictable, the powerful dire trolls serve their trollkin allies in a variety of battlefield roles. The dire troll mauler is a creature of savage simplicity, devastating enemies with nothing more than its gigantic fists and unearthly strength. The
dire troll blitzer totes a rapid-fire slugger cannon and its pyg gunner into combat on its back, adding a lethal spray of lead to the crushing blows of its mighty fists. The dire troll bomber hurls barrels of explosives at the enemy before pulverizing them in melee combat


Although dangerous and unpredictable, the powerful dire trolls serve their trollkin allies in a variety of battlefield roles. The dire troll mauler is a creature of savage simplicity, devastating enemies with nothing more than its gigantic fists and unearthly strength. The
dire troll blitzer totes a rapid-fire slugger cannon and its pyg gunner into combat on its back, adding a lethal spray of lead to the crushing blows of its mighty fists. The dire troll bomber hurls barrels of explosives at the enemy before pulverizing them in melee combat.


Although dangerous and unpredictable, the powerful dire trolls serve their trollkin allies in a variety of battlefield roles. The dire troll mauler is a creature of savage simplicity, devastating enemies with nothing more than its gigantic fists and unearthly strength. The
dire troll blitzer totes a rapid-fire slugger cannon and its pyg gunner into combat on its back, adding a lethal spray of lead to the crushing blows of its mighty fists. The dire troll bomber hurls barrels of explosives at the enemy before pulverizing them in melee combat

[ICLRK625]

The Blitzer is awful, but the Mauler is great. The Bomber looks the same.

[Falkman]

The Blitzer is better than the current one, but still pretty bad. The Mauler is absolutely horrible. The Bomber is the same as the current one, which is nice.

I'm starting to become a bit worried for the Skorne kit now, I really hope they manage to make it awesome.