squats?

[raptor2005]

I and some others are asking how or what are squats
do you?

[berzerka]

dont ask. gw doesnt like it

[Rafi]

Dwarves in space from 1st edition and vaguely supported in 2nd edition.

[DraXaus]

squats.

Hope that helps...

[Clang]

Now that the new WHFB plastic dwarves are released (and very nice they are too), I'm expecting a few die-hard Squat enthusiasts to use dwarves as squats, probably using the IG codex. Changing the weapons to lasguns etc and getting rid of the horned helmets etc wouldn't be that difficult. I think this would be great fun - if only to hear the squeals of outrage from all the squatophobes when they see the finished army.

[Eulenspiegel]

*makes weird hand movements*

These are not the squats you´re looking for.

[ArtificerArmour]

Now that the new WHFB plastic dwarves are released (and very nice they are too), I'm expecting a few die-hard Squat enthusiasts to use dwarves as squats, probably using the IG codex. Changing the weapons to lasguns etc and getting rid of the horned helmets etc wouldn't be that difficult. I think this would be great fun - if only to hear the squeals of outrage from all the squatophobes when they see the finished army.

No doubt they they wont let you play in a GW store - they deny all knowledge of the squats so they wont count as GW merchandise!

[Acolyte]

Hey, a guy ran a Guard-based Squat army at a Canadian Conflict this year. Won an award for presentation, too. Damn shiny, too. He even had midget Terminators that looked like Exo-Armour and counted as GKTs.
So they can't be that hard on them.

[insaniak]

No doubt they they wont let you play in a GW store - they deny all knowledge of the squats so they wont count as GW merchandise!

GW have never 'denied all knowledge of squats'... they simply don't allow discussions about them on their forum. That's nothing to do with GW wanting us all to forget they existed, but simply a result of so many Squat-related threads turning into flame wars between the 'bring back the Squats' brigade and the 'squats are dead, get over it' club.


There have been numerous Squat armies (including a Chaos 'Thousand Squats' army) run at various GW tournaments with no problems at all.

[damz451]

converted squat armies wld be pretty kl, how about nids that absorbed the squat dna?, mini nids!!!

[IncubiLord]

Gotta love the Wiki...

GW made the mistake of actually writing the squats out practically over-night.
This made the squats martyrs for any gripe you want to take up with GW.

They were really a shooty army in the same theme as IG or Tau. More like IG with =][= allies.
I personally think GW could have given them a no-effort variant list off the IG in 3ed and killed them off by 4ed without getting the rebellion that resulted from just one day saying, "They're gone. Get over it."

I think the reason the squats got such a reaction is that everybody who plays a less-popular army got to see just how quickly their entire collection could be written off by GW. The DE and Harlequin players must live with the possibility that their army could "go the way of the squats", and that doesn't encourage players to get a different army than everybody else.

[marv335]

i've been playing 40k since it first came out back in the day.....
and do you know, i don't know anyone who actually played them when they were available.
it seems to be for most squat diehards that they only want them because they can't have them.
i remember the rules, they weren't that good.
the main thing that killed the squats was the standardisation of movement.
a race whose defining rules characteristic was slow movement does not fit.
although thet were never really supported in 2nd ed. they had a "get you by" list much the same as the ad mech.

[Clang]

converted squat armies wld be pretty kl, how about nids that absorbed the squat dna?, mini nids!!!

mmm, or perhaps a squat genestealer cult? I'm starting to like this idea more and more...

[IncubiLord]

I stand by my idea that the reason people made such a fuss over the squats is to ensure that it doesn't happen to the other minority races.

I remember the 2ed squats as being pretty lame, but the Ancestor Lord was on par with assassins and inquisitors (who were much more impressive back then as well).

Never saw a squat army, but I personally had an allied Ancestor Lord in exo-armor.

[Sayu]

Yep, fortunately almost all the Squat minis are still usable using IG rules.

The Doctrines system works even better for this: Squats would probably have Carapace Armour, Iron Discipline, and then maybe Die Hards, Rough Riders (Bikers) and maybe Veterans.

Possibly use WH or DH allies to represent the weirder units.

[chudson]

They were actually quite popular compared to a lot of other G.W. lines at the time. And fair number of imperial players, usually had small contingents of them as allies to augment I.G. or S.M. Full blown armies of them were not unknown though... As with most things G.W. It depended on where you lived, and who you hung around with.

I recently played them as D.A. Deathwing in a few tournaments in Central and Southern California. A full army of Exo-Armor and two Dreadnoughts... I wound up winning Players Choice at both of them, and kicked a fair amount of @$$ too!

So, the Squats may be ignored, but they are not banned, and there is more than a decent amount of grass-roots support for them! Even amongst a few G.W. folks who will probably remain silent till the time is right!

http://www.polycon.org/squats/cody.html

CEH

[Tom - Heretic]

*checks watch*
Yup, ten minutes has gone....about timethis one popped up again.

[KingNova3000]

For all those people those people who dont know what squats are and why they aren't around anymore.....

Thanks to wikipedia.....

In the fictional universe of Warhammer 40,000, the Squats are a race which are descended from humans who colonized the high gravity worlds at the centre of the galaxy. Due to having to live in tunnels beneath the surface of these dead worlds and the high gravity the Squats evolved to be short and stocky. The Squats occupied a semi-autonomous confederation known as The Homeworlds, and had true engineers, in contrast with the dogma-bound humans of the Adeptus Mechanicus. In war, the Squats used squads of motorcycles supported by massive artillery barrages from outlandishly large superheavy tracked vehicles such as the Land Train, Colossus, Leviathan, and Cyclops.

The Squats carry grudges for millennia, and none so strongly as against the race of Orks, who betrayed the Squats on more than one occasion and inflicted many losses upon them in war. In the canon history of Warhammer 40,000, Squat Homeworlds were attacked and devoured by the Tyranids.

The Squats were the equivalents of Dwarves for the Warhammer 40,000 universe much in the same way as the Eldar served as Elves and Orks bore a striking resemblance to Warhammer Fantasy Orcs.

The Squats have been out of production by Games Workshop for some time. Many say that they are the major victim of Games Workshop's attempts to make Warhammer 40,000 a totally original world and not just Warhammer Fantasy in space. Games Workshop's official stance, however, is that the Squats were dropped because they felt dissatisfied with their established background and army design.

Squat miniatures go for relatively high prices on eBay and fans reportedly bombard the games developers regularly with what is called "the Squat question". This is ironic in that the Squats were never among the most popular armies in their heyday and many of their miniatures are ranked rather poorly even by enthusiasts. In a way, supporting Squats has become something of a protest against the modern, more capitalist mode of operations by Games Workshop and a look back at the more whimsical and less "serious" early days of the game.

Many other model making companies have been producing space dwarf models for a long time and some players have even converted the rules of Warhammer 40K to allow them to be played. However popular this trend has proven to be, the official ruling from Games Workshop is that only 40K miniatures can be used in GW stores and GW-sponsored tournaments.

A statement on why the Squats where dropped was given by games designer Jervis Johnson on 28 July 2004. In a Squat-themed thread on a popular Warhammer 40K message board, he posted an official response to the Squat Question: [1]

In summary of the aforementioned statement, the race was excised for the Warhammer 40K universe for the following reasons:

The designers felt that the "Dwarven" concept was not given justice, and that the Squats were more of a joke race.
There existed a design disparity with the 40K and the Epic-scale renditions of the race, which prevented there being a cohesive vision of the race.
Despite the efforts of the design team, they were unable to think up ways to revitalize the concept.
Jervis Johnson's statement also confirms that the Demiurg began as an effort to re-think the concept of Squats, after their decimation, and that that concept might one day be expanded on.

[AgentZero]

I and some others are asking how or what are squats
do you?

Squats are the most powerful species the galaxy has ever seen!
They crush mountains in their fists.
Tyranid Hive Fleets make detours to avoid Squat held systems.
One time,Chaos annoyed the Squats, so they went into the warp and kicked everything's arses in there and then held the Eye of Terror shut for a century with their bare hands.
Squats don't use Titans, they are Titans.
In a 2,000 point army you can only field 4 Squats and most people consider that cheating because they're too powerful.

That's why Squats were cancelled. Because in the far flung future Squats rule everything.

[Imp of High Noon]

Dwarven bikers.... They had to go. Now Chaos dwarves on the other hand....