Simple question, but not an easy answer.
You have one FOC slot. Any codex, any part of the chart, points no object, but it must take up a slot- no infinite lesser daemons etc.
What is the best way to fill it?
The answer is fairly clearly a Guard platoon, anybody want to dispute that? More bodies, tanks and heavy weapons than most full sized armies...
So what is the second best? I have no idea...
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I dunno, Farseer + 10x Warlocks on bikes could give the ig platoon a good run at times depending on placement of everything.
2nd best ? If not the IG, then id guess Farseer + 10x Warlocks all tooled out.
Farseer + Fortune + Runes or Witness and warding
2 locks with embolten
2 locks with enhance
6 with destructor
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Do you realise just how much stuff 1 platton can have? 55 men 6 chimeras, heavy weapons support, 6 commisars....Originally Posted by SPYDER68
10 man GK terminator retinue for Brother Captain Stern. Very powerful.
Don't talk smack. If you talk smack and lose, you're an idiot. If you talk smack and win, you're an a**hole.
Are we going for realistic here, or simply just taking an FOC and absolutly trying to kit it out to the teeth to see how nasty it is?
NOB Biker squad comes to mind.
The puppy in me would like to see a unit of wolf-guard armed to the teeth too. May not be the best but I'd enjoy it.
Yes i realize this
and like i said.
It all depends on terrain, table size, army placement, first turn
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@Nagash,
Dont underestimate the fact you only have 5+ saves, and seer council happens to have quiet much heavy flamers in it. In 5th edition you first lay down all the templates, calculate the hits and only then you got to remove models.
Unlike the "best HQ" discussion, the second est slot really depends on the rest of your army. Most of the very best HQ choices fit in almost any kind of army, others choices must have some good synergy (most of the time).
But, to answer your question, i'd say:
- Leman Russ squadron (3x Demolisher + plasma sponsons + Pask)
- Nob biker squads "cheese-loadout"
It's tempting to just say it's 3 Leman Russes or 3 Carnifexes, but there's a limit to what either unit can do, and a lot of their power is redundant (meaning that 3 isn't really that much better than 2, and 2 isn't that much better than 1).
I'd say it'd probably be a troop choice with an impressive dedicated transport. Land Raiders are impressive, but I believe all the dedicated ones are for elites and HQs. Nobz are impressive, but battlewagons are a little lacking. Dire avengers in wave serpents are really nice, but they need support to really shine.
All things considered, I think the most impressive unit that takes up a single force org slot is a full unit of 10 marine sternguard w/3 combi-meltas, 3 combi-flamers, and a powerfist in a drop pod. If you take pedro as the HQ, they even count as a troop choice.
A close second would be a 10 marine tactical squad w/powerfist, flamer, plasma cannon, and a razorback w/TL lascannon. Half the unit hangs back to claim an objective and fire plasma shots, while the other half rides in the razorback towards the front lines, armed with a flamer and powerfist.
One unit targeted by destructor, one unit dead, 14-20 units left to return fire...
Unless you can get round 'no split targetting' ie by multi charges, you have a problem.
That would be two FOC slots though, wouldn't it?
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Gun drones.
Wait, is this off of the whole slot ? Like Troops = 6 Troop choices ?
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Nope, one FOC slot = one of the 17 slots on the chart. I've always called each of the 17 places a slot, as do at least most of the people I play.
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Pedro wouldn't be in the unit though, but if you want to count it that way, then that would also cut out Eldar units that need Farseer support, besides the Farseer and his retinue (don't worry, the Warseer Council still counts), and Ork Nobz/Biker Nobz.
If the sternguard don't count as troops, then I have to go with my second choice. A tactical marine squad is the most versatile unit in the game, and capable of fulfilling numerous roles all at the same time, and can easily claim 2 objectives, while their transport contests a third.
Brother captains and GK terminator retinues are almost powerful enough to consider them as a contender, but their lack of a dedicated transport holds them back. They'd need to take the land raider as a heavy choice, disqualifying them.
I've lost count of how many matches I've won because I had one more troop choice in my army than my opponent had. Super powerful units are fine, but if they aren't a scoring unit, then I don't think they're good enough to be considered 'second best force org choice'.
an emperor class titan. it takes up a superheavy.
i am assuming that we are going by standard chart then then a DKOK platton should trump a standard one.
who are the Space Wolves?
"Oh, they wear ghost grey armour, grow long canines and drink craploads of beer and get into barfights.... think Vikings in Space...."
Sold!
well then cows = evil. therefor I need to eat as many of them as I can its a moral obligation. (does that mean Vegetarians are conspirtors to evil?)
10 Wolf Guard with Fully Tricked Out Land Raider
- Arjac Rockfist
- Termie Armour, Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer, Melta Bombs
- Termie Armour, Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer
- Termie Armour, Storm Shield, Chain Fist, Melta Bombs
- Termie Armour, Storm Shield, Assault Cannon, Melta Bombs
- Termie Armour, Storm Shield, Chain Fist
- Termie Armour, Storm Shield, Power Fist, Melta Bombs
- Termie Armour, Storm Shield, Frost Blade, Melta Bombs
- Termie Armour, Storm Shield, Frost Blade
- Termie Armour, Storm Shield, Assault Cannon
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Slot not chart padre.
I'll change mine to a shooty black templar termie command squad with a high marshal in a crusader, pretty sure that has a good shot against the silly guard
I'd agree with th nob bikers then 20 Plague marines with Plague Champ w PF, combi-flamer, Plasma pistol, two special weapons.
It does take up a slot. You can have up to 3 superheavies in a superheavy chart.Slot not chart padre
I'll change mine to a shooty black templar termie command squad with a high marshal in a crusader, pretty sure that has a good shot against the silly guard
I'm not sold that the IG platoon is the best. After all, depending upon placement, 3 basilisks will ruin their day. A Monolith deep striking into the middle of their lines will hurt, too.
Basic max size of a Guard Platoon: 55 men. Plus 6 Commissars, plus 6 (?) Priests - Max size: 67 men in 6 Chimeras. With FW rules you could give them all Valkyries instead.
Then add in (say) 6 Lascannons/Heavy Bolters, 6 Plasma guns, and 6 Commissar Power Fists, 6 Sergeant Power Swords and 6 Eviscerators, plus a Lt with lots of gear...
...and top off with every possible vehicle upgrade.
et voila!
Black Templar High Marshall + command squad + LRV.
OR
Farsight and the Seven Samurai.
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