Tactica: Ogre Kingdoms

[Nukem]

Hey I got a question.. which I SHOULD know but dont.

Maneaters can take what weapons they wish or.... can one maneater only have 1 item from the list, its just that you can have one with a brace of handguns and the other with a cathayan longsword.... So what I'm asking is can I give two maneaters both a brace of handguns and cathayan longswords?

[Azroth]

Sorry, only one weapon per Maneater. So you could have one Maneater with a Cathayan Longsword and another one with a Brace of Handguns, but not one with both.

[Nukem]

Yeah thats what I thought... >< Lame Hmmm Alright then Ill revise my list then

[Nukem]

Alright I'm pretty sure I'd find more advice in this thread then the army list thread as no one finds it nesscary to reply to my lists. This is for the lustria campaign and I need some advice on the units.

*Note that the whole board is going to be a forest except for those few clearings*

Bruiser --- 189
Cathayan Longsword
Brace of Handguns
Heavy Armor
Wyrdstone Necklace
Gnoblar Thiefstone

Butcher --- 180
Halfling Cookbook
Bangstick

3 Ironguts --- 169
Standard Bearer
Lookout-Gnoblar

6 Bulls --- 235
Standard Bearer
Lookout-Gnoblar

2 Leadbelchers --- 110

3 Yhetees --- 195

2 Maneaters --- 172
Cathayan Longswords

1250

[Negafex]

i would drop the leadbelchers and get more yhetees or ironguts cause that many isnt gunna do much

[Nukem]

Id only be able to afford one more yhetee if I did that as they are 65 points each ><

I guess I could take some more ironguts. I like the yhetee's in heavily terrained areas as they ignore terrain

Ill post a updated list in the armylist forym and see if anyone responds ><

[Badgobbla]

@ Nukem: I think that's a pretty decent list you put together there. But I would try to take at least one unit of Gnoblars (20=40 pts), who are cheap and good to act as cannonfodder.

How many points do you still get to spend on that campaign?

[Nukem]

It's going to be set up like a boarder princes campaign... as I collect land, and specific places I will be able to spend more points on my army. Its going to be like if I own this shrine on the map uncontested I will be able to take a extra special unit free of charge. Like lets say I own a black-powder factory I might be able to take a extra unit of leadbelchers. Some will allow you field a extra character/rare unit. Ummm your character can take the normal amount of magic items + a certain amount. Most of it can be found in the Warhammer Rule book, but with some changes to help fit the feel of lustria.

I didn't want to go heavy shooting.. if you can call it that with a orge army. I have a few guns just for those clearings in the forest.

I'm thinking about droping the leadbelchers and putting in a few more ironguts.

BUT not to spam up this thread, I'm going to repost this list in the armylist section and respond there.

Thanks

[Avian]

I know for sure that I wouldnt have any problems at all dealing with units of standard bulls, they're just not that threatening, and none of my gaming group have problems dealing with units of bulls, against knights they cant get through the armour, even with a -2 save, empire knights have a 3+ save against it, and the WS3 of standard bulls means they get hit. a LOT, if you've not got an ironfist, they will die in droves!

On the whole I think my gaming group are pretty much as decent as anyone else's.

It seems you have problems when facing knights. Is that when they are charging you or when you are charging them?

[kyussinchains]

It seems you have problems when facing knights. Is that when they are charging you or when you are charging them?

it's not just the knights to be honest, any relatively tough enemy is hard for bulls, tomb guard, big units of high elf spearmen, greatswords and of course knights.

if the ogres charge against a unit of knights (which isnt that often) half your attacks will hit (say in a unit of 4 ogres) which means you get 6 hits, 2/3 of those will wound, meaning you get 4 wounds, and 2/3 of those will be saved (assuming a 3+ save) meaning you get 1-2 wounds through (we're talking averages here) in return the 6 knights get 4 hits, and 2 wounds, their horses will probably do another wound. Assuming you both have standards, the combat is a draw, possibly won by the knights. on charge, you really dont stand a chance, the odds are stacked in the knights favour

I know I'm generalising here, but I really dont see how big units of bulls are worth using at all

[Avian]

Use bigger units to get Outnumbering and more powerful Bull charge, would be my advice.

A charging unit of 6 Bulls (4 wide) against 6 Inner Circle Knights should on average win by about 1 and then autobreak the knights due to Fear.

My tactic is basically a decent US (18+) and a fighty character in the unit. It tends to work.

[Lordmonkey]

or buff them with the strength spell. str 5, combined with 17 attacks (frontage 4, champion, ironfists) will spell T3H P4IN for most units, even elites.

[kyussinchains]

or buff them with the strength spell. str 5, combined with 17 attacks (frontage 4, champion, ironfists) will spell T3H P4IN for most units, even elites.

that's true, but you really shouldnt base a strategy around a spell, ogre spells are never THAT hard to dispel, it's better to rely on the S6 ironguts, hell pump them up with the strength spell and make them chariot smashers, as well as giving them an extra -1 save modifier

the thing is, I dont see why you would use bulls instead of ironguts, a unit of 6 ironguts costs the same as a unit of 8 bulls with clubs, they have better leadership, better armour and better weapons, they do much better against knights and other tough troops.

after getting big units of bulls absolutely battered by knights and even a unit of elf spearmen, I really can't see the point in them, if you tool bulls up, they only cost 3 points less than an irongut!

[strv]

I'm building a ogre warband and want's some help,so:
I currently own 5 bulls,10 gnoblars(can boost them to 24 if a want to)
and i have ordered a box of leadbelchers of witch i'm going to use 1 as belcher
with the other 3 as ironguts.
I also have a standard bearer that can be used with the ironguts or the bulls.
I am think of promoting the lone leadbelcher to thunderfist,so he can stand charges from knights with first stand and shoot then giving 4 S4 armor percing attacks.
Now i have run out of ideas,and I ask you, any thoughts or ideas?

sorry for bad spelling/gramar,and thank you in beforehand
Strv

[Lordmonkey]

after getting big units of bulls absolutely battered by knights and even a unit of elf spearmen, I really can't see the point in them, if you tool bulls up, they only cost 3 points less than an irongut!

This is true... the higher strength does tend to outweigh the extra attack that bulls get. And they have ld8, iirc?

Hmmm... army of ironguts...

[Avian]

the thing is, I dont see why you would use bulls instead of ironguts, a unit of 6 ironguts costs the same as a unit of 8 bulls with clubs, they have better leadership, better armour and better weapons, they do much better against knights and other tough troops.

But Bulls are better against horde troops, so if you are facing them they are better than Ironguts.
And with the equipment you need a Bull costs 39 pts (I don't know how you can get them to cost 45... ), nine points less than an Irongut. And if your General is nearby their Leadership is irrelevant, because they're using his anyway.

And more Bulls lets you take more very useful Gnobbos (considering how much you like Bulls I have a feeling you don't like Gnobbos either ).

[Badgobbla]

I'm building a ogre warband and want's some help,so:
I currently own 5 bulls,10 gnoblars(can boost them to 24 if I want to)
and i have ordered a box of leadbelchers of which i'm going to use 1 as belcher
with the other 3 as ironguts.
I also have a standard bearer that can be used with the ironguts or the bulls.
I am think of promoting the lone leadbelcher to thunderfist,so he can stand charges from knights with first stand and shoot then giving 4 S4 armor piercing attacks.

I didn't think it was possible to put Gnoblars in units of 10? I thought they came in units of 20+ at least, but I have to check my codex for that.

I'd definately split the bulls in two units, just so you can't get bogged down in close combat with all your troops. Otherwise it looks like an OK-warband (pun intended).

[Nukem]

Yes your correct. They need to be in units of 20+ And what the hell would 10 do anyway >< lol They would throw shiny stuff lol

[Badgobbla]

Watch out for them though: my gnoblars once killed 1,5 Kroxigors because of that shiny cutlery they're throwing!

[Nukem]

My gnoblars have died.. ummm died and oh yeah died >< lol