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    Adapting Warmaster to 28mm?

    Warmaster is a game that I am enjoying very much. It has everything I like in a tabletop game - huge swaths of rank and file, nice range of models, the GW world is fun to mine, excellent rules that don't have all the special rule/armybook annoyance of Fantasy. The only thing lacking is players.

    There is a strong following for Warhammer Fantasy in my area, but I haven't convinced anyone to take the plunge into Warmaster. Some of their hesitation may have to do with learning the rules, but I think the larger one is their addiction to 28mm and the range of minis for WHF.

    Has anyone tried to adapt the Warmaster rules to 28mm scale so that it could be played with Fantasy minis? If so, what was your experience with it?

    Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere in the forums. I looked but didn't find anything.

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    Re: Adapting Warmaster to 28mm?

    I have seen warmaster scale warhammer but not what you ask. the wotr rule set reminds me a bit of warmaster though
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    Re: Adapting Warmaster to 28mm?

    Quote Originally Posted by fracas View Post
    I have seen warmaster scale warhammer but not what you ask. the wotr rule set reminds me a bit of warmaster though
    True! And I love it! But I can't get anyone else in my group to feel the same about WotR either

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    Re: Adapting Warmaster to 28mm?

    move to richmond and we will play Warmaster and WotR.
    as well as BFG
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    Have you tried the usual approach? Owning 2-4 fully painted small forces and letting people borrow figs to try the game. I got one friend to commit to Warmaster 10mm and now we have 3 in our warmaster group with enough forces for 6 of us, and people are waiting to get in demo games with us.

    War of the rings has been the harder sale ... just me and a friend at this point. But Warmaster is way faster to paint and model, and ebay deals are super cheap sometimes. I picked up 1k of painted gobbos / orcs for $100. that's a demo army right there, another for someone to choose from.

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    Thanks! I'm just a murderously slow painter. Will have to post the Undead army I'm working on. You're right - having at least 2 fully painted armies to demo really helps.
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    Re: Adapting Warmaster to 28mm?

    I have seen warmaster played out in 28s and it is pretty impressive. There is a guy who runs games in this style at Cold Wars. He fields thousands of minis the game I saw had 5 giants backing up the ridiculously large orc army that was invading the empire!

    The game tends to play quick compared to conventional warhammer but that's no surprise. You need a good chunk of room to make it work consiidering the scale up, and you need a ton of figs to pull it off properly.

    I think you could also translate Cpt Drill's Warmaster skirmish rules over to 28s and have a good go at it. It would be a nice intro for the playstyle with the smaller armies his system favors.
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    Re: Adapting Warmaster to 28mm?

    I have seen wotr's movement trays and I have been thinking about doing something similar to adapt whb miniatures to warmaster rules. What you need is a set size for a movement tray, one that can put around eight infantry miniatures and four cavalry ones in I think. It may work with less, but with more I fear that it'll become really big and need too much minis.

    But I have yet to try it, it might make armies that are too big for a normal table, and it will involve a big collection for sure (just because you might suddenly need a lot of some miniatures to do one unit, like kroxigors, or knights). I have no idea of if it will work ! Anyways, it looks like a fun project.

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    Re: Adapting Warmaster to 28mm?

    The way I'd do it would be movement trays of the appropriate proportions, with guys equalling out to hits.

    Thus, a unit of High Elf Spearmen would require three trays with three slots each. Dwarf Warriors would be three trays of four slots each.

    The WOTR trays'd certainly work for that - and nothing says you have to completely fill them at first.

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    Re: Adapting Warmaster to 28mm?

    impressive
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    Re: Adapting Warmaster to 28mm?

    fantastic !!!
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    Re: Adapting Warmaster to 28mm?

    My group is currently adapting LotR to Warmaster Ancients. Using inches instead of centimeters and the new War of the ring movement trays as a base for units. We've adapted stats for Rohan Minas Tirith and Mordor so far. If anyone is interested I'll post some of the adaptations up here. Game is hopefully gonna be ready to play in a month or two, we're currently mustering the troops.

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    Re: Adapting Warmaster to 28mm?

    Yes, I'm thinking of this as well.
    The way it'd work best, I think, is basing the game on 50mm wide trays / stands. The depth depends on the unit. Infantry and cavalry are 50x50mm, and you can place either two or four (in two ranks) models per stand. Ogres and such obviously are placed one per stand.

    Chariots and similar monsters use their 50mm wide bases.
    Cavalry get the alternative "shock" rule from WMA, +1 attack when charging on the open.

    This system has the advantage of not requiring any more space than Warmaster normally does as the increase in base widths is is only 30mm per unit of three stands.

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    See http://www.warmaster28mm.com/index.htm for more detail and battle reports.

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    Re: Adapting Warmaster to 28mm?

    Quote Originally Posted by Midloo View Post
    Warmaster is a game that I am enjoying very much. It has everything I like in a tabletop game - huge swaths of rank and file, nice range of models, the GW world is fun to mine, excellent rules that don't have all the special rule/armybook annoyance of Fantasy. The only thing lacking is players.

    There is a strong following for Warhammer Fantasy in my area, but I haven't convinced anyone to take the plunge into Warmaster. Some of their hesitation may have to do with learning the rules, but I think the larger one is their addiction to 28mm and the range of minis for WHF.

    Has anyone tried to adapt the Warmaster rules to 28mm scale so that it could be played with Fantasy minis? If so, what was your experience with it?

    Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere in the forums. I looked but didn't find anything.

    Thanks!
    If you like miniatures and boardgames, then you might like Warmaster a lot! It's a great set of rules meant to use with miniatures on a tabletop. The gameflow is smooth and it allows you to fight a battle in one evening. This is in contrast with Warhammer Fantasy Battle, a rules-set meant for 28mm miniatures. Warmaster is designed to use with 10mm miniatures.

    You can find quite a lot of articles on the internet about trying to play Warmaster with 28mm armies. Many fans added their own houserules, some with clever calculations to convert ranges and distances.

    Because WARMASTER IS GREAT, I'd rather stay as close to the original rules-set as possible. (Note: I followed the same design idea for "Allied HeroQuest". Trying to keep all the official rules intact and only tweaking and updating minor things.)

    I will do not rebase my miniatures. They remain on their original bases.

    The official rulebook and armylists for Warmaster remain unchanged. Leave all distances as they are (in cm). We do need a new definition for 'stands'. In Warmaster a 'stand' equals one playing piece.

    Infantry
    20mm square base: 1 stand = 5 bases in a row (10cm wide unit)
    25mm square base: 1 stand = 4 bases in a row (10cm wide unit)
    40mm square base: 1 stand = 1 base (12cm wide unit)
    25mm round base: 1 stand = 4 in a row (10cm wide unit)

    e.g. For Bretonnian Men-at-arms on 20mm square bases, to create a unit of three stands, this results in 3 rows of 5 Men-at-arms. On the table it will look like a WFB regiment 5 wide and 3 deep.

    Ranged Infantry
    20mm square base: 1 stand = 3 in a row (18cm wide unit)

    e.g. For High Elf Archers on 20mm square bases, to create a unit of three stands, this results in 1 row of 9 archers. On the table it will look like a WFB regiment 9 wide and 1 deep.

    Cavalry (or infantry monsters)
    25-50mm square base: 1 stand = 2 side by side (15cm wide unit)
    40mm square base: 1 stand = 1 base (12cm wide unit)

    e.g. This results in 6 Chaos Knights in one row. Or three Minotaurs.

    Chariots
    3 stands = 1 base (5cm wide)

    Chariots use only one physical miniature stand, but the official stats remain intact. Use tokens or dice to indicate damage.

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    25-50mm square base: 1 stand = 1 base
    OR
    2x 20mm square base: 1 stand = 2 bases behind eachother

    I would allow to add Warpfire Thrower Teams to create a mixed ranged infantry unit.



    The army lists need a minor adjustment to fit most people's WFB armies. Following Monstrous Mounts are available to High Elves, Empire, Bretonnia and Dark Elves:

    Griffon 80 points
    Pegasus 15 points
    Bear 10 points

    Following unit sizes may be halved. The new amount of hits and points cost are below.

    1 Empire Cannon: Hits 1 - Points 45
    1 Undead Bone Thrower: Hits 1 - Points 35
    1 Elven Bolt Thrower: Hits 1 - Points 35
    1 Dwarf Cannon: Hits 1 - Points 45
    1 Dark Elf Bolt Thrower: Hits 1 - Points 30
    1 Kislev War Wagon: Hits 2 - Points 70

    I have converted my 5th edition WFB army lists. A WFB army worth 2000 points will be +/- 1000 points in Warmaster.
    Well... that's about all. It will work. Now's the chance to see your 28mm armies on the table WHILE having only one game evening each month...
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