Avatar size preference (both fluff and gaming-wise)

[jams86]

FW, no question

[Starchild]

And nope, it's not the Mark Gibbons drawing either - that ones a full-page in the current codex so I would've been able to reference that pretty quickly.

The picture you're referring to is a pen-and-ink drawing by John Blanche. He liked to create intense artwork for the old (pre-Epic 40,000) Epic Space Marine game. In this case, he exaggerated the size of the Bloodthirster and the Avatar. It's an example of artistic license, probably to show how powerful these daemons are if size were the only indicator.

I'm voting for the Forgeworld Avatar, but the original Jes Goodwin classic gives me an advantage in games. Most opponents don't expect an infantry-sized model to have S6 and T6. Well, until the new Blood Angels come out, anyway.

It was amusing when the first Goodwin Avatar first came out. We used to make jokes about how an Avatar was supposed to break a Keeper of Secret's back over its knee, being so small compared to its arch-nemesis. (Referring to the William King story in WD 127 of course.)

[primarch16]

Grab the forgworld one, not too pricy and a good centerpiece, plus hes got weapon options!

[Spoik]

He does, however, look as though he's playing baseball...

[Partisan Rimmo]

I like to think Avatars' size is dependent on the Craftworld. Bigger Craftworld, more Aspect Warriors summoning, the god of war changes from a warrior supreme to a towering daemon beast.

So the Forge World one would be from something like Biel Tan...

[Bunnahabhain]

It's the avatar of a God of War. It should be big and scary. FW all the way.

Fluffwise, the latent spirit/ psychic powers of the Eldar are powerful. That is quite enough to transform a man sized creature into a towering iron monstrosity...

[Hellebore]

I like the normal model daemon size, because fluff wise the primarch of the emperors children went toe to toe with one and I don't think from the book that he was figthing something 3 times his size because he was choking the thing to death and its not possible to choke something that big even if you are a primarch

Well the normal metal one is about 12 feet tall or more which is taller than a primarch (excepting maybe Magnus) so even THEN it doesn't work. That whole sequence was a terrible letdown.

In DoW II they used the FW avatar as their model and it does some spectacular things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsgMh...eature=related

Obviously it's a game boss and won't do the sorts of things a real avatar would do, but that large sized avatar sure looks good and its flame attacks are exactly as I had envisaged.

Hellebore

[Ellythrion]

Grab the forgworld one, not too pricy and a good centerpiece, plus hes got weapon options!

I have all three haha - the original, the daemon-sized and the forge world (with sword, the spear one is arching back a little too much for my liking, once he gets closer to the enemy I can imagine it looking a little ridiculous whereas the sword one just looks like he's ploughing forward and through no matter what).

Was just curious on everyone elses opinions.

And for the person who referred to BA, pleeeease don't bring Mephiston and the whole furore surrounding him into this discussion haha, I just don't want to go there - if I ever see that SOB on the battlefield I'm gonna fire everything I've got at him and if he's still standing he can face my avatar and 2 wraithlords - I don't care if it costs me the game I want to see that ludicrous son of a gon obliterated!

[Dach]

well I prefer the mid-sized one, but I use a more slender looking one.

My Avatar is the Inquisitor 54mm Eldar Ranger model, without the rifle of course.

[Poseidal]

I like it reasonably big.

But in styling, I think the orginal was the best (rogue trader Avatar). At least Jes Goodwin's sketch of him.

[chromedog]

The standard one (but I have the original one in my bits box).

The Forgeworld one is not 3x as awesome though (which it would have to be to justify the price).

[GrimZAG]

I think it should be somewhere between the Forge World one and the current metal model for it.

[Tiller5]

I answered Forge World sized - something with that kind of capability (IE Greater Daemon-like), the FW scaled monstrosity is perfect. OK, for those who wish to take advantage of True Line of Sight will prefer the standard model, of course, but for me its background-driven all the way, so bigger is better!

[Hypaspist]

Give me the Big one!

Actually I am biased because my Eldar playing friend has the Forgeworld version, and I am just used to seeing it on the tabletop,

being big and impressive and imposing...

[Jagged]

For weapons I'd prefer the Spear myself. But he should be able to throw it, like he can in EPIC.

[spekkiebig]

I think i should match up with greater deamons and c'tan and such.
Since forgeworld is going to make models for the c'tan for apocalypse they will probably grow in size like the forgeworld greater deamons. In this way i think the forgeworld sized avatar is best flufffwise since it is not as big as the other models but still matches up pretty well.

[Vesica]

I love the idea of him being massive, he is a avatar of a god after all.

[JustTony]

I much prefer my FW Avatar over the older metal one.

[carl]

You left an option out of your list:

None of the above.

I like it's epic depiction best where it's stats indicate it's the size of a small titan like a warhound or equivelent. AFAIK even the current FW avatar isn't big enough for that. And given that several other big nasties get similar treatment in the Epic rules it's not like it's out of scale with it's direct comparators.

That Avatar vs. Bloodthirster duel somone mentioned, (does anyone have a picture), for example would be in perfect scale for example.

[Repentant Son]

Forge World FTW. The avatar should totally be able to completely beat the crap out of anything it encounters.