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    Shadow's weekly tactic post. 3

    Ok now I have been asked recently on chariots and their uses, as well as which chariots are any good. Well as both of these a very long topics I will split them, this week I will be doing a rundown of some of my favorit chariots, and next will be tactics that chariots serve in an Army.

    Elfs are my army of choice so I will start with the elf Chariots.

    Tironic,
    These are a basic chariot but are yet confusing. while they have hitting power they cant take hits lie most chariots will only having T4 and a 5+ armor save. Their main attribute is their 18" charge range. They arent the crash into the uit of infantry and break em, they are the give your army a better punch. The best thing is they are a 1-2 per special choic allowing you to get several of these, They will work well as either calvary support or infantry support. Combine charge with calvary counter charge with infantry.Don't take extra horses.

    Chaos chariots.
    These are your take on the word chariots just like every other unite in a chaos army, crash them into anything with less than strength six, they got the hitting npower and the normal power. The nice thing about these is the mark of tzeencth +1 power dice for the core chariot, this of course is the chariot tzeentch army. Don't really like the chariots of khorne as they have ot pick thier figths and frenzy make sit hard. Same with Slannesh. Nurgle is also very helpful.

    Daemonic chariots.
    I only have experiance with two of these the nurgle chariots and Slannesh chariots. The Slannesh chariots are excelent take everythi g form the tironic chariot and apply to this one except better. A 20" charge range with the attacks of the daemons steeds and impact hit ouch. Noe the Nurgle chariots are just scary. Mainly becuase of the pluae beasts these things pack a punch like none other. Yes they are slow but have a good toughness good wounds and provides pretty good support for the slow daemons of fathernurgle.

    ORc boar chariot.
    These are slightly worse than chaos chariots as orcs are worse than chaos warriros, but against infantry blocks like fragile elfs or humans just ouch. 2 str4 and 2 str5 attaks on the charge plus an average of 5 str 5 from impact hits with scythed wheels. Provides some chargeing speed as most orc armies rarky include boar boys. Also gives you strngth away from the characters and giant to help deal early damage.

    Goblin Chariot.
    Just a flat out speed chariot, worse than the tironic or Slannesh one, but its speed is excellent.

    Tomb Kings
    The worst yet best chariots in the game, I know its an aximoron. They are individually the weekest chariot in the game but are dirt cheap at 45 points. also the D3 imact hits ma seem unimpressive but the thing is you will normally put these in units of three I believe giving the unit 9 wounds, 9 imact hits, and 6 str 4 attacks, 6 str three attacks. A great place to put a Tomb prince as unlike most chariots he is protected do to being in a unit. But Most of the Tomb King players have figured this out which is why they are consistantly used

    Dark elf Cold ones.
    Anotther in the lne of take the units on your own chariots. They have it all, decent speed strong attacks from the mouts good armor good toughness, They are the all purpess chariots good weopon skill etc. But for all their strengths they have one major weakness, it is called stuidity a flaw dark elf player no well. I suggest maby one to support your witch elfs, and definatly use in the cult of Slannesh army.

    the Black Coach
    this thing is just unbeliavable, umbrakable and possibly one of the most defistating thing in the game on the charge. It gets a ward save can achive unralistic number of wounds, has a driver with a great weopon, cuases terror, has an average speed good strength and toughness. And a good armor sasve. Almost makes you wish you coud put a vampire in it. It can easily take on units on its own in the first round of combat, but I wouldn't advise it as it runs at over 200 points, use it as the best support unit ou got, let you ependables hold up the enemy a turn then send it on hime, you get you wound to wound trade, cuase a terror test, then just laugh. But it suferes from the weekness of str 7 and with how much damage ut can do, I assure you the great Cannon or Orc with GW is coming at you with all speed. So make sure they don't You got the wolfs an ghouls use them. On a none tactic note it is the best looking uit in the vampire count book, and provides a great theme and center piece for the army.

    Hope these brief over views help, next week will be chariot uses and tactics. If your chariot wasn't adressed, you want more info on one, or need some tactics for a peticluar chariot PM me will be glad to reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowprince

    Dark elf Cold ones.
    Anotther in the lne of take the units on your own chariots. They have it all, decent speed strong attacks from the mouts good armor good toughness, They are the all purpess chariots good weopon skill etc. But for all their strengths they have one major weakness, it is called stuidity a flaw dark elf player no well. I suggest maby one to support your witch elfs, and definatly use in the cult of Slannesh army.
    Ummmm.... I'm afraid COC is not an option in a CoS army, mate.

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    Re: Shadow's weekly tactic post. 3

    my mistake, I didin't have my copy of the COS with me.
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    Re: Shadow's weekly tactic post. 3

    one other small detail: an orc boar chariot has 2St5 and 2S4 attacks (the boars add +2S to their charge..)

    ANd did I miss the Tuskgor chariot?
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    Re: Shadow's weekly tactic post. 3

    I don't have those stats and have never faced them so not qualified to give tactical analysis.

    And I ment to type str 5 will edit that now.
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    Re: Shadow's weekly tactic post. 3

    Pumpwagons shoudl be in here as well

    Also the good thing about gobbo chariots is that they are so damn cheap. You should always take extra crew gobbo and arm them with spears for more punch at the charge. 2 of these can break most units if they combo charge.

    The Tuskgor chariots are just a bit weaker than than the Chaos chariots. Tho its cheaper and got better "steeds". Main problem with this chariot is that it cant take marks ( tho they have undivided) and that bray shammies cant ride in them. Still they are great support for beast herds and get to reroll their psych tests
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    Re: Shadow's weekly tactic post. 3

    I have not playd against all chariots or have stats for them all if you want sed me stats for some Abd I wll include them. Do I really need to say it again
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    Re: Shadow's weekly tactic post. 3

    Ok the Doomwheel has the ability to be highly destructive. But the question is too who. Personally I dislike this chariot as it is far to unpredictable for most tactical purposes. Its random movment can really screw you as you can get a short movment sending bolt of lightning into your own units if you misjudge distance. It is obviosly a beast o the charge but once again the random distance really hurts a modle taht is for chargeing. On the other hand it can be used very well for a SAD army or ther Saven tyos as the additional warp lighnings can and will od damge. Also becuase all 1s with warp lightning hits your own unit you will have a .67 chance to destroy your own 150 point model on any of a possible three ones.

    It is powerful but must be taken with a grain of salt, So I will grade it average. If lucky can single handedly dessimate an army, but with a little bit of bad luck will mess your own plans up, like most skaven units but to a greater degree.
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    I think that the tuskagor chariot is a better choice in a chaos army than the original chaos chariot. Sure they can't take marks, but taking marks makes them more expensive. The more expensive my unit, the less likely I will want to throw it into a dangerous situation and take a risk with it. You can still fit a character (beastlord undivided) in the tuskagor chariot. But chariots with heros I find to be a bit overrated. Sure you get unit strength 5 and can cancel out ranks, but the opportunity to cancel out ranks is not as high as you might think with chariots. They are rather slow in getting to position and need to be placed very carefully at the begining of the game.

    While were at it, I thought that a word or two about the steam tank may be of intetrest too.

    It is ultra cheesy, but if you keep the upgrades to a minimum and use it as a nasty ram then you can get your points out of it.
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    Re: Shadow's weekly tactic post. 3

    I do not consider the steam tank a chariot but something altogether unique, I was planning on hputting it in a post at a later date
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