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[Ereshkigal]

I wanted to start a core of 15 points of Cryx, could this build be somewhat useful?
Lich Lord Asph
Deathjack
5 Bane Knights
Gerlak (i wanted Tartarus, but it's 4 points...)

It should be 15 points if i did the math right.

[Nymie_the_Pooh]

It is possible that the unit is in one of the newer books. The individual force books were a means to update all of the rules for models from the previous edition. Anything to have come out since then can be found in either Wrath or Colossals. Instead of waiting years for a new force book Privateer Press releases a book with new stuff for all the factions every so often.

Edit: Sorry. I was writing this while you were editing your post. I'll leave it as is in case anybody that need the information is reading. The basic question was "I want to read rules on models before I buy. Why wasn't everything in the Cryx book?" for anybody that is curious.

[Falkman]

That should work pretty well. Keep in mind that Deathjack is a pretty unusual jack with loads of extra special rules, so he might take some time to learn to use to his full potential.
It's 6 Bane knights in a minimum unit by the way, not 5. Epic Asphyxious really loves hard hitting units so when you're expanding to 25 points the first thing I'd recommend getting is another 4 Bane knights to max out the unit.

[Ereshkigal]

Yes sorry i edited the post because i found the answer myself on the internet :P Thanks anyway!
@Falkman: ok, i'll keep that in mind, i really like unusual things i hope i can make it work.

[Ereshkigal]

Everblight or cryx? can't make up my mind... suggestions?

[Falkman]

They're both somewhat similar in that they're both fast, fragile but hard-hitting factions. Cryx have more focus on magic and spell-casting whereas Legion has a nice shooting game to complement its melee, so if you like magic more go with Cryx, if you like shooting more go with Legion.
Cryx is also very infantry focused and Legion is beast focused, so if you like lots of infantry go Cryx, but if you like a few big monsters go Legion.

[Ereshkigal]

I like beasts more... that's maybe because i play Dark Eldar and i already own a bajillion of infantry. I read some legion things, but i really can't understand how to build them, while with cryx was really a lot easier! I like these models: eThagrosh, Bethayne, Lylyth, Ravagore, Schytean, Seraph, Typhon, Shredder, Incubi, Hellion. Do you have any idea if i can make a good list out of some of that?

[Falkman]

You could make the following 35 pts list with eThagrosh, it feels pretty decent:

Thagrosh, the Messiah +3
>> Typhon 12
>> Ravagore 10
>> Scythean 9
>> Shredder 2
>> Shredder 2
The Forsaken 2
Blighted Nyss Shepherd 1

[Ereshkigal]

Wow almost the same list i thought at a first glance. Are you sure it's somewhat good?

I thought this one:
eTagrosh +3
Typhon 12
2x Shredder 4
2x Shepherd 2
Forsaken 2
Warmongers 5
Warchief 3
Ravagore 10

[Solaaris]

Are the points costs on the stat cards or only in the faction books?

Sol

[Falkman]

The point costs are printed on both the cards and in the book.
Apart from theme forces (and if you play Retribution, the rules on how to heal forcefields) all the rules for each model is present on that model's card.

[Solaaris]

I must be stupid then as I can't see them on the cards lol

[Emeraldw]

I must be stupid then as I can't see them on the cards lol

There is a point cost number in the lower right hand corner of the card. It is very small but it is there.

Should be a little box with "PC: #"

[Falkman]

I must be stupid then as I can't see them on the cards lol

If you look at the lower right corner of the upper left card (just below the weapons) you see a box with "PC 19" listed, that means Point cost 19.

[Solaaris]

Ahh thanks! I couldn't see it for looking! The warlocks have WB 5+ rarhter than a points cost I know thats Warbeast Points but is that also the cost of the warlock? Sorry im still very new to Warmahordes

[Keravin]

Warlocks and warcasters are free. They are balanced by how many warbeasts/warjack points they give.

[Solaaris]

Ahh thanks for that! I feel abit of a spanner now ^^

[Keravin]

It changed when we shifted to Mark II rules. They used to have a points cost.

[Private_SeeD]

I'm new to Warmachine and my copy of cygnar faction book must be out of date becasue I can't find any rules for the new Cygnar stuff like the Minute man warjack, where could I find out its rules and cost before buying him? Also, now this will be a stupid question but when you chose a warcaster and on their status it says warjack points, and say you wanted a 15pt list you can add your warcasters warjack points to the 15pts... right?
If the above is true then it leaves me with 4pts spare, so far my list is Caine or Sloan, Hunter warjack, Gun mages and officer, Squire and Reinholdt. Was thinking of going with a Sentinel to protect either my warcaster or the Hunter, or get some more merc love with Ogrun Bokur attached to the gun mages or cause he looks cool Eiryss the mage hunter, Harlan Versh or Shaw and Rovissi?

[Falkman]

I'm new to Warmachine and my copy of cygnar faction book must be out of date becasue I can't find any rules for the new Cygnar stuff like the Minute man warjack, where could I find out its rules and cost before buying him?

If your book looks like the attached picture it's the current one. The thing with Warmachine is that every year there's an expansion book released, and that book contains new stuff for every faction. So the Cygnar faction book was released in 2010 and contained everything released for Cygnar up until then, but since then there has been two expansion books, Wrath in 2011 and Colossals in 2012, the Minuteman for example was released in Wrath, so the rules for him is in the Wrath book.

Also, now this will be a stupid question but when you chose a warcaster and on their status it says warjack points, and say you wanted a 15pt list you can add your warcasters warjack points to the 15pts... right?

Yes, warjack points is extra points that your warcaster gets to spend on only warjacks. So if you're playing a 15 pts game and decide on a warcaster with +6 warjack points, then your final list can be up to 21 pts, but 6 of those must be spent on warjacks.