The Chronicles of LoNC's Lizards
Just another note of support I'm loving this thread and it's really making me want to start one of my own. The fluff inparticular is fantastic and I love the clarity of the report and your thoughts on it as well not just the facts. Long may it continue!
To paraphrase Harry: 8th edition and Storm of Magic - BRING IT ON!
Battle 4 finally completed after ridiculous delay. Will be working on fluff and battle 5 for the next week or 2. Going to try and get an 8th edition game in sometime this week, we'll see how it goes.
Great to see the 4th battle finally complete, was a hard one though. Granted, some things could have been done better, but dice sure screwed you in that one. Was great fluff though as always, will be very interesting to see what happens next
fluff update completed. Will start on battle 5's fluff intro in a day or three.
Game 6 has been played and is pending upon game 5's completion. It is my first recorded 8th edition game.
I also like the attached pictures in battle 4. I may go back and do that for all my reports if I find the time.
I liked the pictures in battle 4, I do hope you go through and do it for the other battles as well.
How is the write-up of the 5th battle coming along? Looking forward to it as always
I've busied myself playing some games of 8th edition and packing up to move back to College.
8th edition sucks.
I'll do my best to get the next 2 reports going but I've learned that these things are just not something I can do fast. Doing my best.
No worries, real life always comes first take the time you need for it
sorry to hear you don't like 8th edition.
Working on it. Will attempt to have battle 5 completed in the next 3-4 weeks. Sooner if I can, but trying to be realistic as it seems that is just how long it generally takes me. Minor fluff updates have been added, with more to come.
EDIT: Lil more fluff completed. I've decided I"m going to try to do a tiny bit every day instead of the 12 hours chunks I used to put into the Batreps. I find that I'm just putting them off indefinitely that way. So, hopefully every 1-2 days I'll have a little more to read. I hope to finish the 2 battles I've fought already before the semester ends, and then play another battle when I go back home for vacation.
Last edited by Kayosiv; 04-10-2010 at 06:50.
Another 3 weeks go by without an update... I do apologize to anyone who follows this thread.
Anyway, school has been kicking me in the bum lately and taking all my free time. Since Thanksgiving vacation, several things have happened.
1. Front page character fluff has been filled out.
2. I have gone on a conversion frenzy, fully making 2 complete characters as well as FINISHING MY CARNOSAUR. Don't worry, there will be pictures.
3. I realize I just can't do much updating during school. So that'll likely mean updates during the summer months only, at least, the biggest updates. I wish I could update more, but things just keep taking my time and I don't see that ever changing.
4. Having played a few more games after a several month break (I do not play at school) I have come to realize that I just simply do not like 8th edition. It does not fit with how I want the game to be played or how I like to play it. I'm not sure if that means I'll be waiting around for updated army books or I'll play 7th edition in the meantime, but we'll see. I think I like writing the fluff far more than the actual report anyway, so maybe I'll just turn this thread into more of a fan fiction location. As of right now, I don't know.
5. I am in the process of making all the linked pictures in earlier battles into positioned attachments, but it is tedious and time consuming. They will all be changed in time.
This is the model I have been using to represent Kro'Qua. His halberd is composed of over 5 different lizardmen weapons and the most complex accessory I have ever made.
This is my new cold one mounted battle standard bearer, by far the most intricate model I have ever built. I am extremely pleased with how well he turned out.
My new scar-veteran on foot. This guy has more skulls on him than most Khornite Lords, certainly not somebody I'd want to mess with.
Saving the best for last, my grandest creation yet, my Carnosaur.
Now... all I have to do is paint them. XD
7. The new camera I got for my birthday is AWESOME!
Last edited by Kayosiv; 25-11-2010 at 11:47. Reason: False Teeth
What's been going down. I have never forgotten this thread, remembering it fondly, but 8th edition has destroyed Warhammer for me. This has nothing to do with me disliking 8th edition, although that is also true, but that everyone I used to play hates it.
The shop I frequently go to had about 8 active players with 1-2 people that were new or just not regulars drifting in and out each week. 3 months after 8th edition came out, none of them played Warhammer Fantasy anymore. One of them had literally been playing over 20 years and has at least 3000 points of every army in the game. Even the Games Workshop I went to only ever had 40k players and my pickup game attempts over there were failures or against children under the age of 15. So I found myself disgusted with an edition that I didn't like and nobody to play it with.
Well a year has gone by and I am trying to rekindle what I loved about Warhammer even if I do hate the edition. I need to try and stop whining about it and try to adapt instead. I've invested too much time and money to throw that away, and I have no great urge to sell off my armies.
So, here's the skinny.
I still am going to attempt to play Lizardmen without a Slann. I realize that is a bit like saying I'm going to play dwarfs without shooting, but one of the things I really do despite about 8th edition is the magic lores and their irresistable auto-win spells with no saves allowed. I might try a Slann someday and pick some obscure lore like Fire and give it a go, but it is not in the plans for now. My old hero build, namely Huini'Zec as Battle Standard Bearer on a stegadon and Tenkitza on an engine of the gods is now no longer legal in games under something like 3100 points. This means I have no place for a skink chief in my army as I felt that being on a stegadon was his only real use. In fact with an engine of the gods in the army at all, it is difficult to even take a scar veteran BsB, which also means that Atehe can't fit in the army either. The new lord/hero system really cramps the points for the old list I used to run because I ran something like 900 points in heroes and only 200 for my Lord. I'm not sure how I'm going to handle it but it is clear that all but 1 of my skink heroes need to go or I need to run the army without a BsB, which doesn't seem wise. I tried in half a dozen games to make the carnosaur work in 8th edition and it flat out does not. The rules for attacking in initiative order, step up, steadfast, and the absolutely ludicrous challenge/overkill rules make it a liability in every game I've used it in. Crushed as I am that I have to hang up a $50 dollar model I spent so much time converting, the Carnosaur cannot remain in my list in 8th if I want to try to have a competitive army. I have bought a new unit of Saurus warriors to boost my 7th edition usual 15 up to 30 models with hopes that it will be an efficient number to weather the difficulties of 8th edition. both kroxigar and cold one cavalry seem horrendously nerfed (Kroxigar less so if used in a rank but I only have 3) this edition. I'm not sure if they are worth using at all anymore. I find myself unable to write a list that I enjoy that is also competitive, as all my stupid little skink characters running around on big monsters is what made the army enjoyable for me. any advice anyone can give on that field will be appreciated.
In an even worse state than my Lizardmen, my Vampire Counts army is simply unplayable in 8th, literally. I lack the necessary 500 points in core to actually field the army legally in the new edition as I only have about 40 skeleton models, 20 zombies, and no ghouls. I could use my grave guard as skeletons... but then I have no grave guard and can't even reach 2,000 points. Adding to this problem, a Vampire Lord on a Zombie Dragon was a bad idea in 7th edition, and 8th edition has turned it into a terrible one. Lacking the ability to give the dragon hatred, as well as all the buffs to infantry in 8th edition, the Dragon will act much like the Carnosaur as a gigantic expensive liability, except it can fly so I can actually pick my targets so that helps some. However, with all artillery being laser guided now, I have no hopes the build will remain even marginally competitive. Without the point sink of the dragon again I won't be able to do much. I may play my Vampire counts in smaller, 1000-1200 point games for a while and see how I do, but I cannot field anything much larger than that because I just do not have the models. I'm hesitant to spend the $200 or so it would require to bulk up the army to playable levels, especially because skeletons have now become completely worthless. I don't plan to play Vampire Counts in 8th edition in any serious fashion, focusing solely on trying to get my lizards to work for me.
I went back and re-read a lot of my battle reports in this thread. I enjoyed them as much as when I first wrote them. I notice I've got some grammatical and tense issue mistakes I have to clear up, and a few of the pictures no longer work. I'll see what I can do about that. In the mean time of the next few days I'll be filling the gaps of the fluff and LONG awaited conclussions to battles 5-6, as brief as they may be. Then again, nothing I write is ever brief, so there'll probably be a good bit of content for you to read. Meanwhile, sleep is good, I think I'm going to go do that.
Last edited by Kayosiv; 31-07-2011 at 19:11. Reason: turkey
Thank you for putting the time and effort into this thread. It is a lot of work, I too understand.
Looking forward to reading your posts. Again, thanks!
Excellent reporting! I think that your LM in 8th edition will probably be all right without a Slaan. Salamanders have become absolute gold, ancient stegs are pretty good, and Kroxigors are pretty good in units of skinks.
That being said, your VC are absolutely trashed. You practically need at least 30+ ghouls to compete and the zombie dragon (despite the cool new model) is god-awful.
I hope you continue with these wonderful reports!
Why is it always the innocents who suffer most, when you high lords play your game of thrones?Looks like you lost this game in the "purchase models" phase.
Can you elaborate on what makes Kroxigar+skink units good in 8th please? I tried them in 7th and they were never successful. I was worried that with all the extra attacks being thrown around in 8th edition that the skinks just wouldn't be able to hold up. Admittedly though, I have never tried the unit in 8th edition so I'm curious to hear the experiences of anyone who's had some success (or failure for that matter) with them.
Gabacho, I appreciate it. It's hard to spend so much time on threads like this when you don't get to see the people behind the screen enjoying them. As vain as it is, praise is a great motivator.
Played my first game in 8th tonight in over 6 months.
It went well, I had fun, I'm pretty dang happy. It was easily the most fun game of 8th edition I've played yet. I think the break away from everything as well as time to reflect on the good parts of 8th as well as the bad was very helpful. I don't have time to update any of the back-story on battles 5-6 because I work tomorrow, but I'll try to do it before the week's over.
Excellent! I'm thrilled to hear that you enjoyed the gaming experience. Makes it more worthwhile to invest your time when there's a touch of laughter and the clatter of dice to make one's heart sing...
It's great that you liked your game, can't wait for the report!
Skroxigors are pretty good good mostly because they are classified as "unique" so they can't be stomped or thunderstomped. That combined with the fact that you can't attack the Kroxigor part of the unit means that they are super good at killing monsters. A unit of 24 Skinks and 3 Kroxigors ran 6 wide against any monster in the game will kill it. You are steadfast unitil you are down to 5 models and every round you are pumping out 9S6 attacks along with some skink attacks while ignoring thunderstomps. That'll down most non-infantry units. Also they are marginally faster than most infantry so they can avoid units they can't fight.
Also check these out, really helpful http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewto...p?f=12&t=83366
Hope that helped
Last edited by vinny t; 01-08-2011 at 14:48.
Why is it always the innocents who suffer most, when you high lords play your game of thrones?Looks like you lost this game in the "purchase models" phase.
Oh there'll be no report, but I can give you a jist if you wish. I am training for a doubles tournament with a friend. See relevant thread: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312378
Our opponents army was a 2k warriors of chaos list that was roughly the following.
Level 4 Tzneech sorcerer on disk
BsB exalted hero
15 warriors, mark of khorne and halberds
15 warriors, mark of tzeench and shields
4 dragon ogres with extra hand weapons
Here's how the fight went down.
The storm banner prevented almost all magic from the tzneech wizard as he was stuck with a moment 1 mount on the first turn. Paid for itself right there.
Saurus got in a fight with the tzneech warriors. They won 4 combats out of 5, always due to the presence of Kro'Qua. Finally, the enemy broke on like turn 5.
the warpfire thrower knocked 2 wounds off the dragon ogre unit.
The clanrats held my BSB scar Veteran and unknown to our opponent, the assassin. That unit got hit by the dragon ogres who decimaded the clanrats, but they were so numerous we remained steadfast for several turns. My BSB's combat presence was very poor. He failed to inflict any wounds more than once. The unit was hit around turn 3-4 by a unit of chaos knights. The assassin popped out and killed half the dragon ogre unit. We ran out of clanrats and the assassin broke and was run down by the knights, but not before he finished off the last of the dragon ogres, easily earning his points back. The knights hit my BSB scar veteran, who held due to his stubborn.
My skinks mostly killed hounds for the first 2 turns.
On the left side of the board, my salamanders and chameleon skinks knocked a few wounds off the chaos warriors with the BSB inside. Over the course of a few turns, the knights on that side of the table were withered and then hit with high strength plague spells that didn't allow armor, the warrior unit followed suit. The warrior unit managed to kill the hellpit abomination before it was allowed to fight (the Chaos Sorcerer had knocked 4 of its 6 wounds off before it saw combat). Shortly afterwards though, they were hit with even more spells and salamander fire, panicked, rallied, and were hit by the 13th spell with only like 4 models left and destroyed.
My Saurus spun around on the right flank to assist my BSB and eventually beat the knight unit and ran it down.
The Grey Seer and the Chaos Sorcerer had a 2 turn wizards duel with the grey seer being the victor mostly due to his inability to roll less than a 5 when rolling to cast or dispel, yet never getting a miscast.
By the end of turn 6, chaos had nothing left on the board and we had lost chameleon skinks (to OUR magic) the unit of clanrats, storm vermin, a warpfire thrower, and the hellpit abomination. Massacre victory.
Last edited by Kayosiv; 02-08-2011 at 04:59. Reason: Big Red
I just bought the $200 worth of vampire counts releases I said I'd never buy this edition. I respect the book and it's fixing of the travesty that was the 7th edition book just that much. I haven't been this excited for Vampire counts since our 6th edition book came out. time to pump some life into this thread. Unlife that is.
Last edited by Kayosiv; 09-02-2012 at 10:56. Reason: fixed the Thew