Dwarves with new edition

[stuntyKing]

Im a fairly new WFB players, and recently got the battle for skull pass set, and i love my dwarfs! Anyways i was wondering if i should hold off on buying anything till the release of the new edition, or should i even care. And im wondering if the next edition will affect the dwarfs at all, be it nerfing or a boost. I would come to my own conclusions but i dont really now much of the new rules in 8th edition.

[VonUber]

Well thunder's are allways a good thing to buy. Shooting doesnt seem to take that much of a hit acording to the rumours.

Now slayers. Thats were the buisness is at. You will have a better than a 6" charge range now due to the new charging rumours making them harder to evade.

Slayers are just cool >.<

[Frankly]

I think the biggest boost to dwarves is that fear is no longer auto-break which was a real bane.

fight in 2 ranks will be a bonus for any infantry unit.

You should be able to fit alot of cheap WMs into your special and rares % points. OR have one or twop supporting your special troops.

The dark horse will be the rumored different types of battles and if mobility will be a factor, as dwarfs ain't know for their mobility.

[shelfunit.]

There are very few rumours around that are negative for dwarfs. The fighting in 2 ranks has already been mentioned, more importantly most dwarf armies are able to fit right in with the % rumours as we have great core troops which we all take anyway - warriors, longbeards, quarellers and thunderers take up to 50% and more in most dwarf armies. Our characters are fairly cheap and were only really "ubered up" to deal with other armies over powered character builds and make up for our troops basic lack of killyness, both of which problems seem to be being addressed in the new core rules. With the max special/rare 3/2 spam per 3k pts rumour it means we can finally field all the artillery and other special choices we have until now had to make tough choices about. As far as I see it, it's all good

[stuntyKing]

It seems only good can come from this edition for the mighty dwarfs! I also heard once that there will be fewer AS modifiers, is that still speculated to be true? And the new charge rule might mean the dwarfs might get a successful charge once in a while. yea for 8th!

[willowdark]

Armour save mods are confirmed as unchanged.

Generally speaking, I'd say everyone should wait to the book is out to buy models. With 528 pages, there are just too many variables to account for to make an informed decision.

[stuntyKing]

Darn , i was really looking forward to that one. oh well what can you do, and wow 528 pages? that's insane! still dosent come close to its price value though. knowing GW they will probably bump the price even higher

[amysrevenge]

One of the only negatives I can see is Ironbreakers go from 2+ in close combat to 3+/6++ with the change to hand weapon/shield.

[Ramius4]

One of the only negatives I can see is Ironbreakers go from 2+ in close combat to 3+/6++ with the change to hand weapon/shield.

Which is the same odds of saving, so not a difference at all. In fact, you increase your odds against very high strengths.

Any difference from that rule only takes effect on your chances once you no longer have an armor save due to high strength.

Dwarves stand to gain a lot with random charge distances.

Attacking in Initiative order really doesn't change Dwarves much at all except against some undead or Saurus.

You still have better magic item options than any other army since you can tailor them for any situation or opponent.

Core minimum requirements? Hah! Dwarves laugh at the very notion. I regularly field closer to 40 or 50% Core as it is with them. The troops are excellent and able to do exactly what you want them to. Hold ground.

You'll do just fine with whatever you choose to get. There's nothing in the Dwarf army that is significantly diminished by any of the rumors.

[amysrevenge]

Which is the same odds of saving, so not a difference at all. In fact, you increase your odds against very high strengths.

Almost but not quite. I worked it out last night. You have a slightly lower chance to save. It's 72% instead of 83% at S1-3, but the difference gets smaller as the S goes up, until they are equal at S7 and the new way is better at S8 and above (which isn't all that common in my world).

But, like I said, that's about the only tiny thing I can see that is worse rather than better. I'm stoked for 8th.

To be completely precise:

For S1 the chance to save with a 2+ is 83.33%, with a 3+/6++ is 72.22%
For S2 the chance to save with a 2+ is 83.33%, with a 3+/6++ is 72.22%
For S3 the chance to save with a 2+ is 83.33%, with a 3+/6++ is 72.22%
For S4 the chance to save with a 2+ is 66.67%, with a 3+/6++ is 58.33%
For S5 the chance to save with a 2+ is 50.00%, with a 3+/6++ is 44.44%
For S6 the chance to save with a 2+ is 33.33%, with a 3+/6++ is 30.56%
For S7 the chance to save with a 2+ is 16.67%, with a 3+/6++ is 16.67%
For S8 the chance to save with a 2+ is 0.00%, with a 3+/6++ is 16.67%
For S9 the chance to save with a 2+ is 0.00%, with a 3+/6++ is 16.67%
For S10 the chance to save with a 2+ is 0.00%, with a 3+/6++ is 16.67%

[Halelel]

Im a fairly new WFB players, and recently got the battle for skull pass set, and i love my dwarfs! Anyways i was wondering if i should hold off on buying anything till the release of the new edition, or should i even care. And im wondering if the next edition will affect the dwarfs at all, be it nerfing or a boost. I would come to my own conclusions but i dont really now much of the new rules in 8th edition.

If you don't mind the models, it actually wouldn't be a bad idea to pick up one or two more BFSP dwarf sets as it'll help flesh out your core. More warriors, thunderers, miners, and a cannon or two will give you a decent basic Dwarf army to build around.

[ooglatjama]

WMs will be pretty broken for dwarfs.

[big squig]

Dwarves are the only army that might actually benefit from the new charging rules. They might actually charge someone for a change.

[shelfunit.]

Dwarves are the only army that might actually benefit from the new charging rules. They might actually charge someone for a change.

Unfortunately the point of us charging - striking first - has pretty much gone with our feeble I meaning with the rumoured "strike in I order" we'll still be going last. I have used tactics where a full assault up the board has severly impacted the other army's manouverability, but that only really works against horde armies.

[Urgat]

They should also gain a lot from the new artillery rules such as no guessing or no partials, and magic will probably also be easier to handle.

[stuntyKing]

What?! so Hw and shield just gives u an extra 6+ instead of adding 1 to ur initial AS? that makes me sad now why would they do that:P and whats WMs may i ask

[Solar_Eclipse]

Warmachines.

With no partials, and no guessing required, Stonethrowers with RoAccuracy and RoPenetrating (And RoFire, maybe) have become *Gods*

[Frankly]

They have a get an erratta(spelling?) or the opponent might as well just take off models that the dwarf player points at.

[ChaosCajun]

Dwarves will benefit greatly from most of the new rules. However, fighting in strictly initiative order will still be a killer for the slayers. Stepping up will mitigate this somewhat but it requires bringing larger units of them to fill in. I'm very excited for my dwarf friends and will look forward to facing something other than a gunline every time I go against them. (Even though the shooting in 2 ranks will encourage them in this.) Their war machines will be feared far and wide, but will hopefully be enough to encourage them to bring close combat infantry.

[stuntyKing]

Is it just no Guessing range for Throwers? or for canons as well